Halo 1&2 Classic Hit Detection

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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Issue
There is a pretty awful hit detection in the net code residing in Halo’s 1&2 Classic, making the competitive edge a lackluster experience which turns the entirety of the game useless to play, since Halo is all about pinpoint accuracy and cognitive skills, this ruins it.
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Halo CE
In order for a shot to register, I have to completely move the crosshair off target and shoot the air (as player is moving) in order for a hit.

Halo 2
The same goes for Halo 2, its not as terrible as Halo 1 but competitive feel is just lost, Halo is not meant to be played which such sporadic uncertainty.

Conclusion
A game released in this generation with this type of major flaw has no place for continuous gameplay, let alone a true skill ranking system.

Since these are the PC ports they DO NOT play like the originals 10 years ago (which you said it would 343), I have played both PC titles and have encountered these very same issues with hit detection and never went back, I stayed on the console from where it was birthed.

Destiny can be used as a great example, the overall game experience can be dry, but on the networking infrastructure side, it is truly marvelous, and that’s why people come back to play, because they don’t have to deal with a broken network making the game almost unplayable.

Configuration
Before anyone touts that it may be my connection, I say, just ask other users for their input, other than that, here is my network statistics.

Netgear router 10/100/1000 capable ports.
Hardwired cat 6 ethernet connection.
UPnP disabled
XBL Ports forwarded
ISP 50up, 50down
NAT Open
The consumers can only tinker their network so much before the realization of the games horrible net code becomes a fact.
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Side note
As a veteran Halo player and fan since the launch of CE, thrills of Halo 2 online (legit 35 :p), and leading up to a definitive experience with Halo 3…
Master chief collection captures nothing but flaws and frusteration since day 1.

With next week marking its 1 month, I am speechless on how this game become to be.

Still hoping (of what’s left) that this “Collection” can become the Halo it was meant to be.

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In halo 1 you always had to lead your shots, but this halo 2 is definitely a vista port.

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Yes you had to lead shots but from a great distance, at times I had to lead shots when the person was right in front of me.

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> In halo 1 you always had to lead your shots, but this halo 2 is definitely a vista port.

What!?!?! CE was played on a Lan or split screen. It was near instantaneous.

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ce was played online through xbc or gamespy

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You had to lead shots in Halo 2 as well, if you were not the host. More lag meant that you had to lead more. If the lag is really bad, then I understand your point but leading your target is actually one of the few things in this game that is still true to the classic.

I do agree though, it seems like you currently have to lead your targets far more than I remember, and at closer distances.

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If you couldn’t get a good lan game going. I would hardly call it default. When CE was played as it was intended you did not lead shots. I would never bother with a version that required it. Player direction change and movement are fast in CE. Needing to lead shots would be tantamount to guessing. Not worth playing.

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Yeah which had horrible LAG… It wasn’t like an added feature… You were never suppose to lead your shots. Go watch Halo 1 being played on PC. They didn’t have to lead their shots either. It’s called poor network coding.

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> You had to lead shots in Halo 2 as well, if you were not the host. More lag meant that you had to lead more. If the lag is really bad, then I understand your point but leading your target is actually one of the few things in this game that is still true to the classic.
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> I do agree though, it seems like you currently have to lead your targets far more than I remember, and at closer distances.

Halo 2 is hitscan for most weapons so you don’t have to lead your shots.

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Have the same problem with Halo 2 Classic, very annoying. Can it be fixed?

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Glad I’m not the only one who noticed halo one has atrocious hit detection.

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There is already a pretty lengthy discussion about this over here complete with a couple of videos.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/84ad72a8b51847978545f685f651fc15/topics/h2c-shot-registration-vista-port-video-evidence/795a276a-8358-4200-a334-fc229ee3f002/posts

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LAN required leading as well once you were a certain distance away.

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> There is already a pretty lengthy discussion about this over here complete with a couple of videos.
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> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/84ad72a8b51847978545f685f651fc15/topics/h2c-shot-registration-vista-port-video-evidence/795a276a-8358-4200-a334-fc229ee3f002/posts

Yeah I know there is, but this issue needs to standout to 343, its completely unplayable, a ridiculous lag fest, why weren’t the console games ported???

If anyone says because of the PC maps, then who cares, how many people have even played them? Or in Matchmaking that often? They are TERRIBLE maps anyways.

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Halo 1 hit detection has always been like that thAts why I love playing it in mcc I can be no shield and get a triple kill, it’s so much fun