Halo 4 brought the first official leader-boards to the series. Leaders-boards are a cool concept but just as many other things in Halo 4, they were not presented well. In Halo 5 I want the leader-boards to be accessed through the menu lobby in the game. There will be leaders-boards for the levels 1-10, 10-20, 20-30, 30-40, and 40-50. If you are familiar with the Starcraft ranking system it will become something of the same. The big difference though is that you will see yourself pass thousands of people each time you level, and not a few like in Starcraft, which surely will boost your confidence.
The leadboards being split up like this gives everyone the feeling of that they have the chance to become the number one on the lead-board. There will never be a time where you will see that you are the number 884k(which is truly depressing) on the leader-boards, as the skill levels are split up into different leader-boards (or sections). When a level 10 becomes a level 11, he moves to the next leader-board.
343 tried to integrate campaign into multiplayer, and so am I, but in a way that can’t go against cannon, nor hinder game-play mechanics.
On the leaderboards you will actually see people like John, and Sgt Johnson and other characters from the Halo-verse.
343 tried to integrate campaign into multiplayer by calling it a simulation for Spartans and other UNSC soldiers right? How cool wouldn’t it be to see yourself pass Master Chief, and other characters from 1 to level 50?
These characters would move up and down between some specific ranks based on some kind of calculation.
The more stats you can view in game the better. I’d also like to see some Waypoint stats improvements
Waypoint stats improvements:
-CSR percentage. So Im a forty in say big team. What percentage of the population also has a 40? Stuff like that.
-KD For the month, Day etc. Not just overall KD since I started playing.
There were official multiplayer leaderboards in Halo 2 and 3, they were just so rife with cheating and abuse both were permanently removed. I’m hoping Halo Xbox One and dedicated servers are able to provide a vastly improved system to enable in game leaderboards for various modes e.g. campaign, firefight/SPOPS, multiplayer.
FIFA14 has a great training system that includes leaderboard points to develop stages of individual skills. This is tied to your Xbox Live friends and each skill event with difficulties has a custom leaderboard. It’s a great system and I continue to enjoy using it to up my skill from bronze, silver or gold and compete with mates to get that top spot.
Halo could implement a unique friends leaderboard system as well to further develop the features and social aspects. We do see similar things in the compare player statistics in the Waypoint app now but I think the FIFA implementation is more intrinsic to getting better at the game and a social aspect even if you’re not online or great friends with an Xbox Live friend.
When I first read “Hall of Fame,” I had a completely different idea as to what the OP was going with this thread. That said, I’m really glad that somebody beat to the punch- I was going to point out that leaderboards have been attempted several times throughout the halo franchise, twice with Bungie (Halo 2 and Halo 3) and again by 343i with Halo Spartan Assault. Although SA isn’t a AAA halo game, I think the OP should take comfort in the fact that at least 343i is feeling out another leaderboard system before Halo Xbox One launches.
I personally do not like leaderboards because throughout the years I’ve seen them abused… Every time a new video game system comes out, “new methods,” of stopping cheaters instills hope that there will be fair gameplay once again. Then the hope of stemming cheating slowly dissolves as new and creative methods to counteract those new control measures are implemented.
That said, years ago I set and currently still hold the world record in dead ops arcade; a zombie mode in Call of Duty Black ops. This was a small measure of hope because I know it’s possible to get on top of leaderboards without cheating, but sadly I still think it’s just a matter of time before we see cheating seep through the ranks of any hypothetical leaderboard that may come out with the next AAA halo installment. Just like Bungie did with Halo 2 and 3, I’d hope 343i continues down the same track that if everybody can’t play nice they’ll just take down the leaderboards for good. As nice as leaderboards are, I still prefer legacy items and just below that to me are rare items attained through grinding, completing difficult commendations, and accomplishing extraordinary feats like LASO and GASO. Leaderboards have been okay but I’ve never missed them after they were retracted, if anything I was glad to see them go after being “infected,” (if I may ) by so many cheaters.
Didn’t Battlefield 4 do this with skill divisions? I paid attention to it for the first two weeks of release and I just ignored it from then on. I’m all for leaderboards but in the end they don’t really impact my fun and they just end up being hacked anyways.
> Halo 4 brought the first official leader-boards to the series. Leaders-boards are a cool concept but just as many other things in Halo 4, they were not presented well. In Halo 5 I want the leader-boards to be accessed through the menu lobby in the game. There will be leaders-boards for the levels 1-10, 10-20, 20-30, 30-40, and 40-50. If you are familiar with the Starcraft ranking system it will become something of the same. The big difference though is that you will see yourself pass thousands of people each time you level, and not a few like in Starcraft, which surely will boost your confidence.
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> The leadboards being split up like this gives everyone the feeling of that they have the chance to become the number one on the lead-board. There will never be a time where you will see that you are the number 884k(which is truly depressing) on the leader-boards, as the skill levels are split up into different leader-boards (or sections). When a level 10 becomes a level 11, he moves to the next leader-board.
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> 343 tried to integrate campaign into multiplayer, and so am I, but in a way that can’t go against cannon, nor hinder game-play mechanics.
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> On the leaderboards you will actually see people like John, and Sgt Johnson and other characters from the Halo-verse.
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> 343 tried to integrate campaign into multiplayer by calling it a simulation for Spartans and other UNSC soldiers right? How cool wouldn’t it be to see yourself pass Master Chief, and other characters from 1 to level 50?
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> These characters would move up and down between some specific ranks based on some kind of calculation.
I like the idea! One problem…Sgt. Johnson should be at the top of every list. I miss him
I personally never knew Halo 2 and 3 had leader-boards but whatever they did to cheat at the time, it won’t happen again.
I assume they boosted (exp), host booted, signed out their profile if they lost, or modded. Halo 3 provided fixes for two of these problems, boosting and “signing out of profile”. If you met the same players over 4 times in a row, the game stopped tracking your wins and you wouldn’t be able to rank up anymore until you started playing other players on a regular basis again. In Halo 3 the game gives you a loss if you sign out, or get disconnected unless your team wins without you.
On Halo Xbox one there will be dedicated servers which means no host booting. The last problem is aimbotters and we have yet to see how Xbox one will handle those, but we can hope for a better banhammer, and monitoring of the top players on the leaderboards, where the aimbotters will be.
a part of me both does and does not want official leaderboards for things like weapon stats on 343’s site.
I would hate to see the service Halotracker has provided us dissapear because it becomes irrelevant… I think the best thing 343i could do to appease those of us who actually care about stats (and that is a HUGE part of the community) is purchase the website and maintain the stats for all of the previous games.
I’ve thought about it a little more and honestly I’d rather not see leaderboards at all… People always find a way to cheat, mod, or hack and leaderboards just foster that mentality… Plus I’d hate to work towards a decent spot just to see it evaporate when they inevitably get taken down due to cheating. I say no, they don’t do any good and shouldn’t even be attempted because history will repeat itself and they’ll prove to be another colossal failure in the long sad history of bad ideas in the halo franchise.
> I’ve thought about it a little more and honestly I’d rather not see leaderboards at all… People always find a way to cheat, mod, or hack and leaderboards just foster that mentality… Plus I’d hate to work towards a decent spot just to see it evaporate when they inevitably get taken down due to cheating. I say no, they don’t do any good and shouldn’t even be attempted because history will repeat itself and they’ll prove to be another colossal failure in the long sad history of bad ideas in the halo franchise.
The methods used to cheat in Halo are known. There is going to be minimal cheating on Halo Xbox one/5. Host booting which definitely was the biggest issue, is gone with dedicated servers.
> The methods used to cheat in Halo are known. There is going to be minimal cheating on Halo Xbox one/5. Host booting which definitely was the biggest issue, is gone with dedicated servers.
Heard it before… The methods used in Halo CE were supposedly gone for Halo 2… The methods used in Halo 3 were supposedly gone in Reach… I mean literally every time - cheaters have always evolved, despite new game or new consoles with new control measures… It’s simply a matter of time.
I think the bigger issue is the fact that the latest halo bulletin eluded to legacy items going away. Those are way more critical to the halo franchise as they’re the ties that bind each game in the franchise together. Leaderboards are useless and promote more cheating.
> > The methods used to cheat in Halo are known. There is going to be minimal cheating on Halo Xbox one/5. Host booting which definitely was the biggest issue, is gone with dedicated servers.
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> <mark>Heard it before… The methods used in Halo CE were supposedly gone for Halo 2… The methods used in Halo 3 were supposedly gone in Reach… I mean literally every time - cheaters have always evolved, despite new game or new consoles with new control measures… It’s simply a matter of time.</mark>
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> I think the bigger issue is the fact that the latest halo bulletin eluded to legacy items going away. Those are way more critical to the halo franchise as they’re the ties that bind each game in the franchise together. Leaderboards are useless and promote more cheating.
I wonder, what have you heard? Cheaters have not evolved - Cheaters and the methods of cheating have decreased with every game.
Halo 2 = So many cheaters it was impossible for anyone to reach the top level without manipulating the system themselves.
Halo 3 = Host booters still being common, but the modding being severely decreased you could call it luck if you ever met one.
I believe the next Halo will put an end to it. There will be no host booting in Halo 5 and modding will probably be even more rare than in Halo 3. Those that does not put thousands of hours into the game will probably never ever meet one and the few modders that actually do exist will be banned pretty quickly.
What’s left is only circle boosting and signing out of profile. They could easily provide the same fixes as they did in Halo 3.
There are no other ways to cheat in the Halo games and have never been.
Not wanting a ranking system because of cheating is not a legitimate reason to not have it there when it comes to Halo 5.
> > > The methods used to cheat in Halo are known. There is going to be minimal cheating on Halo Xbox one/5. Host booting which definitely was the biggest issue, is gone with dedicated servers.
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> > <mark>Heard it before… The methods used in Halo CE were supposedly gone for Halo 2… The methods used in Halo 3 were supposedly gone in Reach… I mean literally every time - cheaters have always evolved, despite new game or new consoles with new control measures… It’s simply a matter of time.</mark>
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> > I think the bigger issue is the fact that the latest halo bulletin eluded to legacy items going away. Those are way more critical to the halo franchise as they’re the ties that bind each game in the franchise together. Leaderboards are useless and promote more cheating.
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> I wonder, what have you heard? Cheaters have not evolved - Cheaters and the methods of cheating have decreased with every game.
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> Halo 2 = So many cheaters it was impossible for anyone to reach the top level without manipulating the system yourself.
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> Halo 3 = Host booters still being common, but the modding being severely decreased you could call it luck if you ever met one.
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> I believe the next Halo will put an end to it. There will be no host booting in Halo 5 and modding will probably be even more rare than in Halo 3. Those that does not put thousands of hours into the game will probably never ever meet one.
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> What’s left is only circle boosting and signing out of profile. They could easily provide the same fixes as they did in Halo 3.
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> There are no other ways to cheat in the Halo games and have never been.
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> Not wanting a ranking system because of cheating is not a legitimate reason to not have it there when it comes to Halo 5.
You’re clearly bias on this issue so going back and forth isn’t going to settle anything in this thread of yours. At least you conceded to the fact that cheating has always been an issue, despite how prevalent you personally think it is with each new release. Leaderboards = incentive for cheating.
> > > > The methods used to cheat in Halo are known. There is going to be minimal cheating on Halo Xbox one/5. Host booting which definitely was the biggest issue, is gone with dedicated servers.
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> > > <mark>Heard it before… The methods used in Halo CE were supposedly gone for Halo 2… The methods used in Halo 3 were supposedly gone in Reach… I mean literally every time - cheaters have always evolved, despite new game or new consoles with new control measures… It’s simply a matter of time.</mark>
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> > > I think the bigger issue is the fact that the latest halo bulletin eluded to legacy items going away. Those are way more critical to the halo franchise as they’re the ties that bind each game in the franchise together. Leaderboards are useless and promote more cheating.
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> > I wonder, what have you heard? Cheaters have not evolved - Cheaters and the methods of cheating have decreased with every game.
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> > Halo 2 = So many cheaters it was impossible for anyone to reach the top level without manipulating the system yourself.
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> > Halo 3 = Host booters still being common, but the modding being severely decreased you could call it luck if you ever met one.
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> > I believe the next Halo will put an end to it. There will be no host booting in Halo 5 and modding will probably be even more rare than in Halo 3. Those that does not put thousands of hours into the game will probably never ever meet one.
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> > What’s left is only circle boosting and signing out of profile. They could easily provide the same fixes as they did in Halo 3.
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> > There are no other ways to cheat in the Halo games and have never been.
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> > Not wanting a ranking system because of cheating is not a legitimate reason to not have it there when it comes to Halo 5.
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> OP, first of all the majority of the fan base would think of leaderboards as an afterthought or an annoyance. You’re clearly bias on this issue so going back and forth isn’t going to settle anything in this thread of yours. Unlike you, I’m not going to get emotionally invested in this minor issue, however you’ve got no right to tell me that my opinion, “is not a legitimate reason,” so I think this debate ends here. At least you conceded to the fact that cheating has always been an issue, despite how prevalent you personally think it is with each new release. Leaderboards = incentive for cheating.
I am not bias on anything. I never knew that Halo 3 and 2 had leaderboards, but I completely understand why them took it away.
What I don’t understand is why they shouldn’t have it in Halo 5. Your opinion is that it promotes cheating. The fact that there probably can’t exist cheating (or on a very minimal scale) in Halo 5 annihilates this reason of yours of not having it there.
If you some reason wouldn’t want it because you simply don’t like the competitive nature it promotes, for example, that’s still a completely legitimate reason.
Obviously, I can’t say that cheating won’t exist in Halo 5 but having played thousands of matches (21k to be exact) in Halo 3 I know that if you sweep away the host booters, you could definitely add leader-boards back to the game.
> I am not bias on anything. I never knew that Halo 3 and 2 had leaderboards, but I completely understand why them took it away.
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> What I don’t understand is why they shouldn’t have it in Halo 5. Your opinion is that it promotes cheating. The fact that there probably can’t exist cheating (or on a very minimal scale) in Halo 5 annihilates this reason of yours of not having it there.
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> If you some reason wouldn’t want it because you simply don’t like the competitive nature it promotes, for example, that’s still a completely legitimate reason.
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> Obviously, I can’t say that cheating won’t exist in Halo 5 but having played thousands of matches (21k to be exact) in Halo 3 I know that if you sweep away the host booters, you could definitely add leader-boards back to the game.
Look you’re obviously very set in your ways here… You truly believe that cheating is a thing of the past. Sure in this utopia of yours my rationale has been “annihilated,” as you and your clever, quick witted verbiage has put my opinions to shame!
Leaderboards are a bad idea and generally companies don’t like to retract things such as these- it’s like admitting failure. For example, with Halo 2, all the attempts to reset the leaderboards while they simultaneously tried to stem cheating failed so ultimately Bungie had to take them away since everyone couldn’t play nice.
> > I am not bias on anything. I never knew that Halo 3 and 2 had leaderboards, but I completely understand why them took it away.
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> > What I don’t understand is why they shouldn’t have it in Halo 5. Your opinion is that it promotes cheating. The fact that there probably can’t exist cheating (or on a very minimal scale) in Halo 5 annihilates this reason of yours of not having it there.
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> > If you some reason wouldn’t want it because you simply don’t like the competitive nature it promotes, for example, that’s still a completely legitimate reason.
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> > Obviously, I can’t say that cheating won’t exist in Halo 5 but having played thousands of matches (21k to be exact) in Halo 3 I know that if you sweep away the host booters, you could definitely add leader-boards back to the game.
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> Look you’re obviously very set in your ways here… I remember back when I was twenty years old- I was very content to be set in my ways and refused to budge or look at different points of views. You’re too young to have been there to see how cheating has evolved over the years so I understand your naivety in this subject. You truly believe that cheating is a thing of the past… Sure in this utopia of yours then my rationale has been “annihilated,” as you and your clever, quick witted verbiage has put my opinions to utter shame! As for the other reason you suggested- ha, check my stats kid… Leaderboards are a bad idea and generally companies don’t like to retract things such as these- it’s like admitting failure. Like in Halo 2, all the attempts to reset the leaderboards while they tried to stem cheating failed and ultimately they had to take them away since everyone couldn’t play nice. It’s simple economics 101 (if you went to college right away you’ll understand this) - marginal benefits over marginal costs. The benefits of attempting leaderboards in halo simply don’t outweigh the marginal costs of possible cheating and abuse.
This discussion is going no-where. You are talking about a game that came out 10 years ago, the flag-ship title of Xbox Live and trying to use it as an example in our time. If 343 were to remove everything that promoted cheating the game would be stripped naked.
Also, how am I not qualified to say what have happened to the history cheating? Having played all Halo games online and 21k games in only H3, I would say that I am more than qualified enough to tell you about the history of cheating.
Not only have I played a lot more than you but I have also played at the highest level, where the cheating actually happens, something it does not look like you have.
With my 21000 games in only Halo 3 at the highest level I have been exposed to more cheating than you have played games. You are judging whether or not to accept leader-boards on the basis of what happened years ago, on an old system and on outdated software.
Today 343 has the resources to eliminate most of the cheating from the game.
> This discussion is going no-where. You are talking about a game that came out 10 years ago, the flag-ship title of Xbox Live and trying to use it as an example in our time.
It’s not going anywhere because you’re refusing to take constructive criticism. You want leaderboards so you’re antagonizing people that don’t agree with your opinions.
> How am I not qualified to see what have happened to the history cheating? Having played all Halo games online and 21k games in only H3, I would say that I am more than qualified enough to tell you about the history of cheating.
You think based upon what you’ve seen over the past few years and that the promises of cheating going away with the next gen console is a brand new concept. However this is déjà vu; every time a new console comes out, supposedly nobody can hack or cheat but it’s not the case.
> If 343 were to remove everything that promoted cheating the game would be stripped naked.
Nobody asked them to go to any extremes such as "remov[ing] everything that promote cheating…" You’re insinuating that it’s okay for 343 to harbor a little cheating here and there where it falls in line with what you want.
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> You were never did play at MLG level, and your account is of proof. If you were at pro level in Halo 2 you wouldn’t have a K/D of 1.26 in Halo 4 or a win/loss ratio below 50% or a bronze in Halo: Reach.
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> As most of the cheating over the years have been some kind of network manipulation neglecting the fact that a lot of the cheating won’t go away when when we are getting dedicated servers is also just hilarious.
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> Because you are lying and keep attacking me personally I am not to argue against you anymore because I know that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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> You are merely trying to back up what you want in a dishonest way.
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> And to your knowledge, I am actually 21 years old (and you, are, 27).[/spoiler]
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