H5 Hype will kill Halo

This post is about how the hype surrounding Halo 5 could possibly be the death of Halo. This is not going to be one of those posts telling you not to pre-order; I am not one of those people. The Halo 5 Guardians hype is real, and it is huge. Ask yourself, what if Halo 5 doesn’t deliver on the hype, I don’t mean a bad game, but what if it’s just “eh”? This is what I think you can expect, and why nothing short of a phenomenal game will suffice when considering the future success of Halo in the direction it’s going.

The first scenario is a broken game, and this means the death of Halo. (No, I don’t think Halo 5 will be broken, because Microsoft/343i knows this). If Halo 5 is broken, then nothing 343i can do will save Halo 6. At that point, even if Halo 6 runs well, people aren’t going to buy it at launch, and the less people have a game, the less people buy it. Not to mention how game sales go down as time goes on regardless. Right now, if Halo 5 is perfect, 343i can pick themselves up from the fall that was the MCC, but they will lose that chance if Halo 5 breaks. Then, not only would Halo 6 have to redeem the fails of its two most recent predecessors, but that would be nearly impossible since 343i’s budget is dependent on their sales figures, and there’s no way to get around that.

But what if Halo 5 isn’t broken but it isn’t great? Many people who enjoyed the beta (myself included) still were not greatly impressed by it. The only outcome I can see this scenario produce is simply delaying the downfall of Halo. And that is by far the saddest thing I have ever written, cause it wouldn’t be 343i’s fault for making Halo 5…but it would be 343i’s fault for launching the MCC. If Halo 5 works, and it’s fun but not marvelous, it will suffer from playlist drops in the same way Halo 4 suffered. This time, however, more severely. And then more so in Halo 6. A slow death, in my opinion, is worse than if 343i killed Halo right now, because the latter would cause Halo to be remembered as the giant slain by 343i, but the former would leave Halo to be forgotten, not in the hearts and minds of us, Halo fans, but to all gamers in general. And it’s the hype that’ll cause this slow death. People who’s expectations are too high will inevitably be disappointed by the game and that will directly impact the games’ success.

LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO BATTLEFIELD! Battlefield 4 launched in a state comparable to the MCC. In fact, Battlefield 4 runs, and has always run, better than the MCC. But EA still delayed the launch of Hardline because people were not satisfied with it. And it has payed off, Hardline was accepted well, but I still feel as if the success of the Battlefield franchise is lingering over the success of Star Wars Battlefront this year.

Halo 5 needs to be epic. All of me is cheering 343i on because I know their task is hard. I don’t know if it’s possible for Halo 5 to be mind-blowing, but I think it could be good enough so that 343i will make enough sales for a strong budget, and for people to continue to play it until Halo 6. That’s what I’m hoping for.

TL;DR Halo 5 needs to blow us away to make up for the decline of Halo 4 and the launch of the MCC or else the decline will continue.

Have to agree with what you’ve said here. I think 343 knows the implications however, so I have faith the game will be nothing short of phenomenal… at least in the campaign department. They listed good changes a few months back after the beta as well, just wish they would say something about nades because their huge blast radius is going to mess the game up if they lowered movement speeds.

Halo is different from Battlefield because it is like a totally different FPS game, sure you shoot at things in both but Halo’s mostly for arena shooter fans. Battlefield’s military and I think that market is a bit more fickle because they have so many options for games. If Halo dies, there would be very few if any at all games that can compare to the type of FPS Halo is. For that reason, even if Halo 5 is mediocre then Halo 6 would still get a chance because of the niche Halo has.

I think the title of this post should have been “H5 Hype COULD kill Halo”. If Halo 5 bombs it would be very bad for the franchise, but based on the my time with the Beta I think thing are going to be ok (at least for me and people who share my opinion). The only thing that could ruin the game for me now is a terrible campaign that takes the story in an awful direction, but if Hunt the Truth is any indication I like where that’s going too.

To make maters worse the Xbox One isn’t that popular (thanks for bashing the crap out of it and making the public hate it Angry Joe -_-). Halo is an exclusive, and if Xbox One is failing in popularity, Halo 5 will fail in popularity with it. Not to mention evil activision is threatening to change the lead platform of CoD from Xbox to Playstation. Xbox used to be the lead seller for CoD. With CoD’s best selling platform the same as Halo’s that gives Halo a good chance to compete with it.
Xbox One is selling poorly, and it will drag Halo down with it…

BUT. Halo 3 made millions of people buy a 360 just for Halo 3. If Halo 5 can look SOOO amazing, that even playstation, Nintendo, and PC fans will go “wow, I want that game” they will buy an Xbox One, and when Xbox prospers, Halo prospers with it.

Sadly I doubt this will happen, wich is why I want Halo to go multiplatform to increase its popularity. But that won’t happen, Microsoft needs Halo as an Xbox exclusive.

Halo 2 had more of the hype than any other game ever.

Good post. I agree, too much hype can cause high expectations = potential disappointment.

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> To make maters worse the Xbox One isn’t that popular (thanks for bashing the crap out of it and making the public hate it Angry Joe -_-). Halo is an exclusive, and if Xbox One is failing in popularity, Halo 5 will fail in popularity with it. Not to mention evil activision is threatening to change the lead platform of CoD from Xbox to Playstation. Xbox used to be the lead seller for CoD. With CoD’s best selling platform the same as Halo’s that gives Halo a good chance to compete with it.
> Xbox One is selling poorly, and it will drag Halo down with it…
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> BUT. Halo 3 made millions of people buy a 360 just for Halo 3. If Halo 5 can look SOOO amazing, that even playstation, Nintendo, and PC fans will go “wow, I want that game” they will buy an Xbox One, and when Xbox prospers, Halo prospers with it.
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> Sadly I doubt this will happen, wich is why I want Halo to go multiplatform to increase its popularity. But that won’t happen, Microsoft needs Halo as an Xbox exclusive.

:confused:but the xbox one is selling better than the 360.

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> Have to agree with what you’ve said here. I think 343 knows the implications however, so I have faith the game will be nothing short of phenomenal… at least in the campaign department. They listed good changes a few months back after the beta as well, just wish they would say something about nades because their huge blast radius is going to mess the game up if they lowered movement speeds.
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> Halo is different from Battlefield because it is like a totally different FPS game, sure you shoot at things in both but Halo’s mostly for arena shooter fans. Battlefield’s military and I think that market is a bit more fickle because they have so many options for games. If Halo dies, there would be very few if any at all games that can compare to the type of FPS Halo is. For that reason, even if Halo 5 is mediocre then Halo 6 would still get a chance because of the niche Halo has.

They upped the base movement speed, only sprint was slowed down. Grenades shouldn’t be a problem.

I get that Halo and Battlefield are different like that, and without Halo there would be a hole in the gaming world, for sure. But if Halo 5 doesn’t bring in the sales, their budget for Halo 6 is going to be low because Microsoft’s investment in Halo wouldn’t be paying off. In that situation Halo 6’s chances get significantly smaller. I don’t think Halo will survive off of name recognition and the type of FPS it is. It will survive because it’s good and nothing else, but right now especially, it has to be extra good.

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This post is a freaking joke. Go play call of duty troll.

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> This post is a freaking joke. Go play call of duty troll.

Do you have an explanation as to why or is that a little too much to ask?

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> > This post is a freaking joke. Go play call of duty troll.
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> Do you have an explanation as to why or is that a little too much to ask?

Never ask a troll for an explanation.

I doubt that hyperbole is going to ruin the franchise. The game itself can fail to live up to your expectations, but the game is not the hype. The hype is supposed to get you excited. It’s supposed to be fun. It’s supposed to get you interested. It’s supposed to be enjoyable. It’s supposed to ensure that you will actually buy Microsoft’s products. Halo games. Halo toys. Xbox Consoles. Halo comics. Halo books. Halo live-action tv series. Halo digital media. Halo plush toys. Halo Mega Bloks sets. Halo wallpapers. Halo miniatures. Halo costumes. Halo mugs. Halo pyjamas. Halo t-shirts…The hype itself can be enjoyed simply because the hype is entertainment unto itself, and yes, it’s a way to get you to spend money.

For every Halo release, someone is going to say that the game failed to live up to the hype. For every game that was released in the Halo series, someone did say that the game failed to live up to the hype. Halo won’t die due to hype. The only way that Halo’s going to die is if it consistently fails to meet the industry standard for AAA FPS games. Considering that Halo basically is the benchmark that other FPS games compare themselves to, and try [successfully or not] to beat, that’s not going to happen anytime soon.

The games aren’t declining in quality. It’s just that we consistently expect more and more from our games, year after year, regardless of hype or not, and eventually we’re going to reach a point where the games industry just can’t raise that bar any higher. Level design for Halo IMO still hasn’t gotten any better than the Silent Cartographer, for example. We still use the good old Warthog, and we still fight against the Covenant.

Eventually, the bar gets set too high. You get a few not-so-well-received entries in the series, the competition sits there laughing, and then a little while later along comes a reboot which knocks the competition flying. Put it this way, people wouldn’t be interested in the hype for Halo 5 if a) they didn’t actually like any of the last couple of games in the series, and b) the hype wasn’t fun.

It’s not the destination that matters. It’s the journey. It’s not the game that matters, it’s the hype. Hype…is basically people just having fun using their imagination, speculating with other people, and taking part in events, without even needing to play the game itself at all. I would say that the hype–the fanbase–carries the series. Not the series itself. Well, that’s my opinion, anyway.

The hype isnt, Halo is going to kill Halo.
People are going to play and if they dont like it they will leave.
Hopefully 343 doesnt mess up as bad as they did with MCC cause if they do…well i guess THAT will kill Halo.
Gotta see what the general audience response it, too.

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> To make maters worse the Xbox One isn’t that popular (thanks for bashing the crap out of it and making the public hate it Angry Joe -_-). Halo is an exclusive, and if Xbox One is failing in popularity, Halo 5 will fail in popularity with it. Not to mention evil activision is threatening to change the lead platform of CoD from Xbox to Playstation. Xbox used to be the lead seller for CoD. With CoD’s best selling platform the same as Halo’s that gives Halo a good chance to compete with it.
> Xbox One is selling poorly, and it will drag Halo down with it…
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> BUT. Halo 3 made millions of people buy a 360 just for Halo 3. If Halo 5 can look SOOO amazing, that even playstation, Nintendo, and PC fans will go “wow, I want that game” they will buy an Xbox One, and when Xbox prospers, Halo prospers with it.
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> Sadly I doubt this will happen, wich is why I want Halo to go multiplatform to increase its popularity. But that won’t happen, Microsoft needs Halo as an Xbox exclusive.

Even though Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, it’s still number one on pre order charts while the Xbox is behind the PS4 substantially. If that’s not saying something about Halo 5 then idk what is.

Hopefully Halo 5 spells the rise of the XBone once again. People have a short term memory. They will probably forget H4 and MCC’s failures and see the big shiny new game.

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> This post is a freaking joke. Go play call of duty troll.

Hi! This must be your first time on the forums!

And your last, if you keep that up.

I agree. Over hypping games is bad. Look at destiny, titanfall, and watchdogs.

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> Hopefully Halo 5 spells the rise of the XBone once again. People have a short term memory. They will probably forget H4 and MCC’s failures and see the big shiny new game.

And that’s the problem. People forget that 343 purposely released a broken game and ran with the money and are hoping people forget when H5 drops. Do you think they will put any more effort into fixing MCC when H5 drops? They will quit putting out patches and fixing the game the second people start playing H5 and they will have made a killing on a game they released that was completely broken and barely works for many of the people who own the game.

H5 is releasing on Oct 27th this year. Two weeks before the next CoD, which always ends with Halo getting high sales, but then everyone jumps ship to go play CoD. This happened with H4 and it’s going to happen again with H5. Especially since H5 is just a different variation of 343s take on Halo. It’s still the mess of a game that H4 was, just with fewer things that cause randomness. It’s still full of Sprint, it now has ADS, there are new "Spartan Abilities, which are just different Armor Abilities that now everyone has off spawn. It’s sad that people think this is going to be the rebirth of Halo.

The only thing 343 are doing right with the series is the eSports aspect. They are going to have tournaments and if they throw enough money at it, then there will be people who play it. The only thing is, at a high level, H5 is boring as hell to play and watch. It’s a casual game and there is no individual power for the player. Holmes came out and said that Halo is a team game, therefore they made it so you would need a partner to take down another player. You have to run around as a team in order to just kill people. This turns it into a bumblebee chasing camp fest. The team is going to lock down a room once they get the lead, then the other team is going to have to swarm the room in order to try and get kills. Not exactly what I want to watch when it comes to competitive gaming. I’d rather watch Clash of Clans battles.

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> > Hopefully Halo 5 spells the rise of the XBone once again. People have a short term memory. They will probably forget H4 and MCC’s failures and see the big shiny new game.
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> And that’s the problem. People forget that 343 purposely released a broken game and ran with the money and are hoping people forget when H5 drops. Do you think they will put any more effort into fixing MCC when H5 drops? They will quit putting out patches and fixing the game the second people start playing H5 and they will have made a killing on a game they released that was completely broken and barely works for many of the people who own the game.
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> H5 is releasing on Oct 27th this year. Two weeks before the next CoD, which always ends with Halo getting high sales, but then everyone jumps ship to go play CoD. This happened with H4 and it’s going to happen again with H5. Especially since H5 is just a different variation of 343s take on Halo. It’s still the mess of a game that H4 was, just with fewer things that cause randomness. It’s still full of Sprint, it now has ADS, there are new "Spartan Abilities, which are just different Armor Abilities that now everyone has off spawn. It’s sad that people think this is going to be the rebirth of Halo.
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> The only thing 343 are doing right with the series is the eSports aspect. They are going to have tournaments and if they throw enough money at it, then there will be people who play it. The only thing is, at a high level, H5 is boring as hell to play and watch. It’s a casual game and there is no individual power for the player. Holmes came out and said that Halo is a team game, therefore they made it so you would need a partner to take down another player. You have to run around as a team in order to just kill people. This turns it into a bumblebee chasing camp fest. The team is going to lock down a room once they get the lead, then the other team is going to have to swarm the room in order to try and get kills. Not exactly what I want to watch when it comes to competitive gaming. I’d rather watch Clash of Clans battles.

This has been happening in every Halo and every FPS game out there.

good post, i also agree with most of it, well basically all of it except two things.

  1. i was thoroughly impressed with the beta, i didnt just enjoy it, i found it to be my favorite halo multiplayer yet.

  2. I would go as far to say that Hardline is accepted, almost everyone i know and everwhere i read it is hated. it is not worth the 60$ and is just a bad BF game. it went away from what BF was good at, large, open world levels with vehicular warfare. Hardline tried ot hard to be like CoD.

I know that too much hype will destroy Halo and could crush my hopes and dreams, but its impossible not to be really hyped from all this #HUNTtheTRUTH and then along with how much i enjoyed and how impressed i was with the beta. i really think that the game will live up to the hype, at least in my mind. i know everyone has there own opinion, i just hope more people shar emy thoughts then dont.