Remember the ‘Groups’ on Bungie.net? It was like a private room, private forums where the designated admins pretty much controlled everything. It was very clan-friendly, or just a nice place for people to chill out on the internet.
I really hope groups are added on to here, Halo Waypoint. I think it helps to strengthen bonds with other fellow gamers, and is just a very fun and exciting idea. What do you guys think?
Bungie made their site from the ground up.
This forums software is built off Yet Another Forums software, which to my knowledge, doesn’t support groups.
If there were groups, there would be no community. Right now, we have to post with everyone. If there were groups, you’d never see certain people again because that’d be the only place they post.
Groups drag discussion and community involvement out of the open and into private, compartmentalized sections. They essentially leech from the public part of the community. :\
> Bungie made their site from the ground up.
They did heavily modify the internal organs of their forums over several years, but it was originally based on third-party software.
I do hope eventually the come here, they were so fun on Bungie.net…
Now they’re dead since Halo has left Bungie.
> If there were groups, there would be no community. Right now, we have to post with everyone. If there were groups, you’d never see certain people again because that’d be the only place they post.
This is patently false.
I founded a group in February 2010 - we’re still here, and our members still post here.
Go LOOK at Bungie.net, and be sure to go back in the forums to where Bungie still controlled Halo. You’ll notice the public Halo Reach forum was very active (and still is)with Bungie providing private group support.
With Bungie no longer supporting Halo and no private group support here, we simply hosted our private group forums on Enjin. Private communities, groups, clans, are a key element to the Halo community - go look at halounity.com and see for yourself how many of us are there too.
The reality is actually the antithesis of what you state. I participate here LESS because my private community is on a different domain then Waypoint. If my private group was hosted here, me and most of our members would be more active here.
Private groups aren’t going away, we simply have to host our groups elsewhere.
The use of this limited capability forum software is yet another example of providing us, paying customers (you have no reason to be here if you don’t buy Halo games), what’s barely good enough but is the cheapest to provide. Just like keeping P2P networking in lieu of dedicated servers. P2P is obsolescent, but it’s just barely good enough to still do the job and it’s dirt cheap.
The fact that Waypoint DOES NOT provide private community support is hurting participation here.
If Waypoint ever decides to use a full featured forum CMS and provide private community support you would see a huge spike in forum activity here.
> > If there were groups, there would be no community. Right now, we have to post with everyone. If there were groups, you’d never see certain people again because that’d be the only place they post.
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> This is patently false.
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> I founded a group in February 2010 - we’re still here, and our members still post here.
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> Go LOOK at Bungie.net, and be sure to go back in the forums to where Bungie still controlled Halo. You’ll notice the public Halo Reach forum was very active (and still is)with Bungie providing private group support.
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> With Bungie no longer supporting Halo and no private group support here, we simply hosted our private group forums on Enjin. Private communities, groups, clans, are a key element to the Halo community - go look at halounity.com and see for yourself how many of us are there too.
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> The reality is actually the antithesis of what you state. <mark>I participate here LESS because my private community is on a different domain then Waypoint.</mark> If my private group was hosted here, me and most of our members would be more active here.
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> Private groups aren’t going away, we simply have to host our groups elsewhere.
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> The use of this limited capability forum software is yet another example of providing us, paying customers (you have no reason to be here if you don’t buy Halo games), what’s barely good enough but is the cheapest to provide. Just like keeping P2P networking in lieu of dedicated servers. P2P is obsolescent, but it’s just barely good enough to still do the job and it’s dirt cheap.
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> The fact that Waypoint DOES NOT provide private community support is hurting participation here.
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> If Waypoint ever decides to use a full featured forum CMS and provide private community support you would see a huge spike in forum activity here.
But if you didn’t have a private group, you’d post here more, right?
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Dude, you don’t really groups to improve the amount of active members.
I’m a member of a few groups on a few sites. but yet, I’m still here posting.
Hell, I’m a member of at lest 4 groups on Steam, and yet I never post on Steams forums, I post here.
Would it be nice to have forum groups, yes, but it’s not at the top of the “WE MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN” list that 343i has, this thread isn’t the first, nor will it be the last thread suggesting/discussion the idea of groups on Waypoint.
Will Waypoint ever get groups? MAYBE! We don’t know, like others have said, the current forum software doesn’t support groups, but you never know, 343i could be working on ways to integrate groups into Halo Waypoint and it’s forums.
@Lycan -
No, if I could host my group here I would post more here.
The public forums on B.Net have always been highly active. Them hosting private groups did not harm forum activity.
Even though Bungie hasn’t controlled Halo in over a year, their forums remain highly active discussing both Reach and Halo 4. Why do you think that is? Because a lot of the people posting in their public forums just stay there and post in their forums because that’s where the community / group / clan they belong to has its forums there. If Halo communities still hosted on B.Net could move here, all that extra forum activity would move from B.Net to here.
I’ve seen it first hand. When our group operated on B.Net our members either posted in both sets of forums evenly, or they posted in the public forums more frequently than our group forums.
To say allowing private groups to be hosted here would actually DECREASE forum activity is so wrong and incorrect I can’t think of words to accurately describe how far off target that statement is. Private groups being able to be hosted here would do nothing but increase activity here.
And private groups / communities / clans aren’t going away. Despite what happens in the forums here, the reality is if you just jump into the game hopper the vast majority of the people you’re randomly matched up with will be little kids too young to even be playing in the first place, or they’ll be rude, obnoxious, and / or obscene. The only way to routinely play in a polite environment is to play with folks in a community you’re a part of. Especially grifball. Good God, if you play grifball with randoms you’ll be surrounded by nothing but stat padders who just want to hammer kill boost their KD and don’t want to plant.
So no, housing private groups here would not hurt activity here. NOT housing private groups here keeps a lot of folks away, becasue this isn’t the only place to get news about Halo 4 or Halo Reach.