Give solutions, not complaints.

Games Other Halo
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Whenever I come here to the Halo 4 forums all I see are complaints. Of course there are good threads here and there, but a vast majority of them have a complaint of some kind.

Now, before someone says “Stop complaining about complainers” hear me out.

When you come to the forums, what good does complaining do? Some call it criticism, but saying “The DMR is overpowered I hate it” “The maps suck” or “this game is terrible” isn’t good criticism.

All you are doing is pointing out a problem without giving a way to fix it. Heck, most of the time you don’t fully explain why you feel that way about the game or the maps.

Now, there are people who say “This sucks, make the entire game like previous games” and that’s not a solution either. Believe it or not, there are people in the world who might actually enjoy things that you don’t (shocking, I know) and asking the devs to scrap what those people like isn’t an option.

So make solutions to the problems. Talk to the devs, ask them questions. We’re so hostile to them because a lot of us don’t like their decisions that we forget to realise that they’re human.

I mean, if you made a game and the first and only thing someone said to you when they saw you was “This game sucks, you suck, make it exactly like the game made by the company you replaced” how would you react? I know I would immediately ignore that person, because that’s just straight up negative feedback.

So what would work? “Hey, I have a problem with the DMR. I feel like it’s far superior to the other weapons, and not balanced like it should be. It’s becoming cumbersome when playing the game because almost everybody is using it, taking away the diversity loadouts bring. So, here is my suggestion for fixing the weapon… etc.”

Or for those players who want the game to be more like the older games and want infinity slayer to be scrapped:

“Hey, I’ve got a huge problem with infinity slayer. It’s just far too random. I know there are other players like myself who don’t like this, but at the same time I acknowledge the ones who do. What I feel would fix mine, and many others problem is the introduction of more classic playlists. Right now all but 1 Slayer playlist has loadouts, which isn’t really fair to us. I classic playlist would give those of us who don’t like infinity slayer or Throwdown to play something we enjoy.” and then go off from there.

This would significantly improve the mood around the forums. Many people here I find to be far to angry in how they type and how they give feedback. Most feedback is simply raw complaints with little to no helpful suggestions or evidence to support their claims.

I have a feeling the devs would also be more inclined to communicate with their community if they found that community actually acting reasonably when addressing them and issues with the game.

I’m not saying no negative feedback, I’m just hoping to see a little less “this game is teh sux” and a little more thoughtful posts with supporting information and possible solutions. Maybe then our voices are more likely to be heard, especially if we really start acting like a community and working together while taking others into account when making suggestions.

tl;dr: Just try to stop being as negative around here and give more constructive posts. Think about what you say and ask for and the effects it could have.

Anyway, that’s just my thoughts on this whole waypoint situation. It’s getting pretty crazy in here at times.

  • Silent
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Silent, you’re awesome, why can’t more people be like you!?

I also want to add that Boycotting/“fasting” from Halo isn’t a good way to get 343i to fix something, they’re inclined to listen to active players, not those are willing to put down the game and walk away.

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Halo 4…good first effort…move on and give us an awesome Halo 5.

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I was very sad when Silent took a small break from the waypoint forums, he’s one of the few nay sayers who explains what he means.

Here’s another example of what silent is talking about with one of my own legitimate concerns for Halo 4.

Bad example:

“The ammo perk is so dumb! just get rid of it 343!”

Good example:

“I really don’t enjoy the ammo support upgrade. I feel as though it gives too much strength to power weapons and inherently makes personal ordnance much stronger with it. An on going joke that my friends make is,” don’t call in your ordnance till you’ve equipped ammo!" And there is some truth to that. To balance this support upgrade I believe the ammo upgrade, should only benefit the ammo in load out weapons, and not weapons found from initial, random, or personal ordnance."

See, I explain my concern, I give a little bit of personal insight, and then suggest a change. What everyone should be doing.

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You want solutions? YOU WANT SOLUTIONS!?

  • Ranked playlist with visible CSR
  • Social playlist
  • Option to disable sprint in customs
  • Reduce DMR kill-time and magnetism
  • Remove random elements (fixed ordnance drops/other solutions work too)
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We have been giving solutions for 5 months. Er… for some people, 5 months BEFORE the game launched.

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its not like 343 is going to look at it either way…

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> We have been giving solutions for 5 months. Er… for some people, 5 months BEFORE the game launched.

Yeah… a small number of people might of been, but the community as a whole hasn’t, most of these solutions get ignored, and pushed down by the hateful threads of pure complaint. 343i most likely doesn’t want to even look at the threads because of how the community acts.

> its not like 343 is going to look at it either way…

Wow, you’re a ray of sunshine.

But you’re right, with everyone being rude little spoiled kids, and acting like they have been lately, 343i is more likely to not even look at anything.

But BS Angel and others have pointed out that they do look at the threads and posts, they might not reply to every single one, but they’re here, they read what we say.

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Ya the community needs to be more constructive instead of fighting/complaining making pointless hate threads. I understand many are upset with 343i but they aren’t going to grab their attention with insulting them and saying halo is dead blah blah blah.

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> Silent, you’re awesome, why can’t more people be like you!?
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> I also want to add that Boycotting/“fasting” from Halo isn’t a good way to get 343i to fix something, they’re inclined to listen to active players, not those are willing to put down the game and walk away.

Thats odd… I thought thats the type of people they did cater towards. The ones that play the game for a week or two then move on to another game.

Oh wait! That exactly what they did!

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Keep in mind that you don’t necessarily need to follow the “Constructive Criticism Rubric” as most people explain that constructive criticism should be structured in only one way and one way only:

(Problem)
(Why it’s a problem)
(Why it matters)
(How to Fix)

Constructive criticism can sometimes just be a simple post that promotes Healthy discussion and agreement to bring up certain issues
for example: (in brief summary)

> Warthogs are underpowered
> Remember how much better they were in past Halo games?
> BTB is a pain to play now that everyone spawns with the tools to destroy one
> What do you Guys think?

something along those lines…
you’re not making a Negative, hating post, but you’re not really single-handely giving 343i your opinions
something that the conventional “Construct-Crtic” post cant bring up

Forums are for discussion, not necessarily for people to state their opinions, with only having Others agree and disagree

Stating Constructive Opinions can be accomplished by a Blog, or Twitter

in a forum, you’d want posts to go like this:

> this is a problem
> i think this because XYZ
> What about you guys?

> I personally think it’s not THAT big of a problem because of ABC
> but i do agree it’s a problem

> @Someguy31
> i do agree in you saying that AB is a negation of said problem, but i belive C is sort of Irrelevant in this context

and it goes on from there

for the Conventional Construct-Critic post, there will be three kinds of replies:
A)Agree/why
B)Disagree/why
C)Polite version of “Cool Story bro”

in a “Here’s my opinion, what about yours?” post:
A)Agree/why
B)Disagree/why
C)Rebuttal to A/B
D)Rebuttal to C
E)Agreement A/B/C/D
F)New Sub-Discussion brought up by different Point of perspective
G)New Sub-discussion brought by by related issue

and so forth

the reason why the Conventional Construct-Critic post cant get Rebuttals, counterarguments, agreements and sub discussions, is because the Conventional post doesn’t really promote discussion. The point of a post like this is to get a point or idea across
you can’t really discuss much after that, as it really isn’t the point

it promotes Acceptable feedback, yes, but that isn’t really what a forum is for

in the “Here’s my opinion, what about yours?” post, it promotes discussion, because because it directly asks people: “what do you think” and because of that, you get more opinions
and because the point of the thread being Opinions of others, it allows people to defend their opinions to prove their point, attack* others’ opinions to promote discussion and a “what do we both want” mentality, and it allows poeple to bring up different points in relation to their opinions

there’s a nice little text wall for you guys to read :stuck_out_tongue:

  • i use the term “Attack” loosely here, as i don’t mean to aggressively disprove others’s opinions
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I grow tired of listing my huge list of of complaints/how to fix them on every thread that asks for people to give constructive criticism. Especially the changes that are so simple. Like a sprint toggle or flag drop toggle.

Just give us options 343… Stop shoving everything down our throats.

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Silent good job on the post. I’ve been saying the exact same thing about criticism and hopefully the more people there are that post about it the more people will realise that we actually have a point.

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> We have been giving solutions for 5 months. Er… for some people, 5 months BEFORE the game launched.

Believe me, I know. I’ve been here since the GI article, and the bad threads outweigh the good threads by quite a lot. Not saying they aren’t there, but they aren’t frequent.

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Last time I checked, 343 makes an M rated game, complaining like a 5 year old doesn’t change anything about future Halo games, all that does is waste time.

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> Last time I checked, 343 makes an M rated game,

Give me one other M rated Competitive Shooter that doesn’t have a good number of Kids playing it

i understand the meaning behind your post, but either way…

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> in the “Here’s my opinion, what about yours?” post, it promotes discussion, because because it directly asks people: “what do you think” and because of that, you get more opinions
> and because the point of the thread being Opinions of others, it allows people to defend their opinions to prove their point, attack* others’ opinions to promote discussion and a “what do we both want” mentality, and it allows poeple to bring up different points in relation to their opinions
>
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> there’s a nice little text wall for you guys to read :stuck_out_tongue:
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> * i use the term “Attack” loosely here, as i don’t mean to aggressively disprove others’s opinions

Note, I did read your full post but I didn’t have much to add. I just thought I’d reply to this part

This I definitely agree with. It would be amazing to see more the “Here’s my opinion, what’s yours?” posts around here so long as they are kept respectful. That’s just the problem though, they’re never kept respectful. It generally ends up in a flame fest of some kind, although that’s not the problem of those style of posts, more the problem of the community.

It’s definitely better for discussion of course. Unfortunately most people skip out on the evidence part and just go straight to the opinion and attacks :stuck_out_tongue:

Hopefully we’ll see an influx of polite users (such as yourself) eventually!

(Not saying there aren’t more out there, just using you as an example because I see you pretty much everywhere, and your almost always respectful (if not always))

> Last time I checked, 343 makes an M rated game, complaining like a 5 year old doesn’t change anything about future Halo games, all that does is waste time.

Blatantly insulting the devs and mindless complaining with absolutely no suggestions for improvement doesn’t help either, and also wastes time…

I get what you mean, and it’s not like I’m expecting super happy, kind and thoughtful people 24/7, but hopefully less rage canon extravaganzas constantly spamming hate…

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> > Last time I checked, 343 makes an M rated game,
>
> Give me one other M rated Competitive Shooter that doesn’t have a good number of Kids playing it
>
> i understand the meaning behind your post, but either way…

Fair enough. This one time, my cousin was playing COD. He won the match, and in the post-game lobby all you could hear was little children complaining. If the forums were audio, that’s what they would be like (except for a few threads)

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> > > Last time I checked, 343 makes an M rated game,
> >
> > Give me one other M rated Competitive Shooter that doesn’t have a good number of Kids playing it
> >
> > i understand the meaning behind your post, but either way…
>
> Fair enough. This one time, my cousin was playing COD. He won the match, and in the post-game lobby all you could hear was little children complaining. If the forums were audio, that’s what they would be like (except for a few threads)

I think my ears just started bleeding just thinking about that… I’d never come here again.

But yeah, that’s probably what the forums would be like in a matter of speaking.

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> This I definitely agree with. It would be amazing to see more the “Here’s my opinion, what’s yours?” posts around here so long as they are kept respectful. That’s just the problem though, they’re never kept respectful. It generally ends up in a flame fest of some kind, although that’s not the problem of those style of posts, more the problem of the community.

Agreed

i find that this is caused in the following series of events:

  1. The guys who post Hate threads find their ways into Constructive Threads and misinterpret the point, and then “start a fire” in the Thread

  2. Other Haters “Rebut” to the First Hater’s post by Flaming them
    which then leads to a flame war

  3. the OP and the other civil Forum-Goers try to “extinguish the fire” by Changing the subject or promoting a more positive discussion

  4. the haters then direct their flames at the Civil people for trying to “shut them up”

  5. a Monitor then locks the Thread before it spins out of control

while i have no problem with the Monitors’ choice of actions (it’s their jobs) the Haters caused the Thread to fall apart, and thus __DIS__courages positive discussion

> It’s definitely better for discussion of course. Unfortunately most people skip out on the evidence part and just go straight to the opinion and attacks :stuck_out_tongue:

Exactly

> Hopefully we’ll see an influx of polite users (such as yourself) eventually!

Thanks for the compliment!
I find that Most of the Haters happen to be “Forum noobs” meaning poeple who just recently joined, and have a very low Forum rank
(coincidence? i think not!)

however, i also seem to notice that said haters soon find themselves banned for the site temporarily

once they come back, instead of Politely asking a Mod directly why they were banned, said Hater posts a thread Throwing fire at the Mods for banning them
and obviously, they get banned agagin, this time permanantly
(the stated assumption leads me to believe that these Haters are just kids crying about the game on the fourms, but i digress)

I’m sure that the rude people will either find themselves banned, or they will become more mature.
EVENTUALLY, we will find these forums full of Well-mannered, mature people

> (Not saying there aren’t more out there, just using you as an example because <mark>I see you pretty much everywhere, and your almost always respectful</mark> (if not always))

:smiley:
I like Posting around on these forums
I’m always at my computer because of Homework, so when i got a spare moment, i browse the forums

I’ve had my fair share of Temp Bans that have taught me to act mature and civil on these forums
i don’t want to break rules, because i don’t like being banned
because when i’m banned i can’t be on the forums
and when i’m not on the forums, i’m VERY bored
:T