Get rid of Glitches Plz!

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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Remove them from the multiplayer I beg of you. I know many aren’t liking what I’m saying and that this is apart of their nostalgia, but I don’t care. I don’t care because 343 must look at the bigger picture. Glitches bring corruption and I’ve never been fond of them being used to gain an upper hand over another.

I know 343 are trying to sell the whole, “H2 multiplayer is just as shipped” to please these people, but it will ruin the playing experience for many. I am a firm believer in playing a game how it was meant to be played. I played Halo 2 Lan the majority of my experience with this game, with other people. I didn’t experience the online much at all, but super jump, bxr etc do not sound or look beneficial to the game and others have said so as well. There will be more new people coming to halo and I’m sure being a victim of these glitches will be distasteful to new and some old players.

The game plays just fine without these cheats. It will be in its truest form with them gone and be a refreshing equal playing field. There is enough skill and depth without things like BxR, I mean it’s Halo 2…

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Button combos added a HUGE skill gap to the game, which is why a lot of people are supporting their return (I’d like t to point out they are confirmed to be in too).

Frankie said last year on NeoGAF that if something like H2A was to happen, they’d act like button combos were features and teach players how to use them rather than just letting the rich get richer, so to speak.

If you were talking about issues like the dummy glitch, super bouncing, etc - I’d understand because these were truly game breaking, but button combos truly aren’t.

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I think the fact that everyone has the ability to execute any of the button combinations would already classify it as an equal playing field.

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Honestly, they’re not going to do away with all of the glitches, no matter how game breaking they may seem. They are doing this because of two reasons:

#1 They aren’t messing the original coding, so to avoid unforeseen glitches that could cause more issues than just superjumping and what not, they don’t try fixing current glitches because they could in turn cause new glitches and/or problems.

#2 How do you know that removing the glitches won’t actually hinder the “Classic” feel of Halo 2?

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I agree OP. This Glitches need to be removed. Lets the nostalgie die. It was maybe fun back in the day.
Sometimes im really wondering if people get older… I do and i dont have the time anymore to learn and try as hard as some of this so called competitive people.
I want some fair fun and not get cheated by some non intended glitches.

People who dont want the glitches in Halo 2 probably have to play the 6 Anniversary Maps which are not running on the Glitchy OG Halo 2 Engine. So we will be able to enjoy some Halo 2.

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> I agree OP. This Glitches need to be removed. Lets the nostalgie die. It was maybe fun back in the day.
> Sometimes im really wondering if people get older… I do and i dont have the time anymore to learn and try as hard as some of this so called competitive people.
> I want some fair fun and not get cheated by some non intended glitches.
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> People who dont want the glitches in Halo 2 probably have to play the 6 Anniversary Maps which are not running on the Glitchy OG Halo 2 Engine. So we will be able to enjoy some Halo 2.

People don’t want these glitches because of nostalgia, people want it because they add more competitive aspect to the game. If you were put in a situation were you have lower shields than an enemy and you pull off a BXR on them, you’ve outplayed them entirely and leave the fight alive rather than just shoot, shoot, melee, both dead.

It adds a whole other level of depth to the game which is why Halo 2 was such a competitive console shooter back in 2004, all the way until 2007 before Halo 3 took over.

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> Button combos added a HUGE skill gap to the game, which is why a lot of people are supporting their return (I’d like t to point out they are confirmed to be in too).

This just seems so weird to me. Yeah, some sounded hard to pull off, but at the end of the day they were EXPLOITS that gave people the ability to INSTANTLY KILL THEIR OPPONENTS. It just doesn’t seem right.

Bungie even made this an in-game message in Halo 2.

I’ll admit that I missed Halo 2’s multiplayer heyday, so who knows, maybe I’ll end up loving button glitches, but they just don’t seem right to me.

You’d think 343 would ship Halo 2 multiplayer as Bungie WANTED to ship it.

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> > I agree OP. This Glitches need to be removed. Lets the nostalgie die. It was maybe fun back in the day.
> > Sometimes im really wondering if people get older… I do and i dont have the time anymore to learn and try as hard as some of this so called competitive people.
> > I want some fair fun and not get cheated by some non intended glitches.
> >
> > People who dont want the glitches in Halo 2 probably have to play the 6 Anniversary Maps which are not running on the Glitchy OG Halo 2 Engine. So we will be able to enjoy some Halo 2.
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> People don’t want these glitches because of nostalgia, people want it because they add more competitive aspect to the game. If you were put in a situation were you have lower shields than an enemy and you pull off a BXR on them, you’ve outplayed them entirely and leave the fight alive rather than just shoot, shoot, melee, both dead.
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> It adds a whole other level of depth to the game which is why Halo 2 was such a competitive console shooter back in 2004, all the way until 2007 before Halo 3 took over.

Using “cheats” is not competitive to me. Back in 2004 it maybe was. But its 10 years later now.
And to me it seems to be mostly nostalgie… Screaming about skill etc is not really an excuse. Because if that is a reason to you, then every shooter should have non intended Button glitches… Yeah get some DoubleShots into Battlefield and CoD…
No Srsly let it die. Try to win a 1v1 battle simply with Movement and maybe Team Shot, button combos are cheap and cheating to me.

Non intended Glitches are not adding depth to the game. They are glitches nothing more.

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> > Button combos added a HUGE skill gap to the game, which is why a lot of people are supporting their return (I’d like t to point out they are confirmed to be in too).
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> This just seems so weird to me. Yeah, some sounded hard to pull off, but at the end of the day they were EXPLOITS that gave people the ability to INSTANTLY KILL THEIR OPPONENTS. It just doesn’t seem right.
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> Bungie even made this an in-game message in Halo 2.
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> I’ll admit that I missed Halo 2’s multiplayer heyday, so who knows, maybe I’ll end up loving button glitches, but they just don’t seem right to me.
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> You’d think 343 would ship Halo 2 multiplayer as Bungie WANTED to ship it.

It doesn’t matter what Bungie thinks to be honest, when you have the community rallying to keep the button combos in the game with valid and logical reasons, that’s what you should be doing.

Halo 2 became extremely popular because of how great its multiplayer was and it just so happens that these exploits and glitches were what made it even better.

The facts are, people want them, and the developer understands that and are doing what the fans want - an untouched, Halo 2 multiplayer experience.

> > > I agree OP. This Glitches need to be removed. Lets the nostalgie die. It was maybe fun back in the day.
> > > Sometimes im really wondering if people get older… I do and i dont have the time anymore to learn and try as hard as some of this so called competitive people.
> > > I want some fair fun and not get cheated by some non intended glitches.
> > >
> > > People who dont want the glitches in Halo 2 probably have to play the 6 Anniversary Maps which are not running on the Glitchy OG Halo 2 Engine. So we will be able to enjoy some Halo 2.
> >
> > People don’t want these glitches because of nostalgia, people want it because they add more competitive aspect to the game. If you were put in a situation were you have lower shields than an enemy and you pull off a BXR on them, you’ve outplayed them entirely and leave the fight alive rather than just shoot, shoot, melee, both dead.
> >
> > It adds a whole other level of depth to the game which is why Halo 2 was such a competitive console shooter back in 2004, all the way until 2007 before Halo 3 took over.
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> Using “cheats” is not competitive to me. Back in 2004 it maybe was. But its 10 years later now.
> And to me it seems to be mostly nostalgie… Screaming about skill etc is not really an excuse. Because if that is a reason to you, then every shooter should have non intended Button glitches… Yeah get some DoubleShots into Battlefield and CoD…
> No Srsly let it die. Try to win a 1v1 battle simply with Movement and maybe Team Shot, button combos are cheap and cheating to me.
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> Non intended Glitches are not adding depth to the game. They are glitches nothing more.

Sure, it isn’t competitive to you, but I can tell you with 100% truth that there are A LOT of people who disagree with you. Button combos added more depth to the game.

People do NOT want these mostly for nostalgia, if that was the case, we’d be asking for 30FPS gameplay because that’s what the game originally played like, right? We aren’t. We want Halo 2’s multiplayer to be the best it can be in 2014, and 1080p, 60fps and dedicated servers is the best way to do that - with the original gameplay untouched. That includes button combos.

“Screaming about skill” is an excuse, because it is exactly what it is, an accidental addition to Halo 2 that made it a heck of a lot better than what it would have played without it.

The reason you don’t see this kind of stuff in games like Battlefield and Call of Duty and future titles is because it isn’t some sort of requirement to make your game more skill based.

Heck, MLG never banned button combos in Halo 2 because the community and fan base agreed that they added a whole other level of depth to the game.

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We’ll just have to see how this turns out. I made a thread kind of like this before. I don’t really mind the glitches because they do take a fair amount of skill to use. However with the controllers and button layouts we have access to these days, those glitches will be much easier to execute.

Like I said we’ll just have to see what happens. Odds are this won’t turn into a big thing. Glitches back in the old H2 days weren’t a problem. Past level 30 it glitches were common knowledge and were used quite often. But again because they are actually quite difficult to execute, especially while you’re under pressure, they don’t pose that much of a problem.

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To me they do matter…
Sadly i only can play this remastered Halo 2 MP then. I can already see this forum full of new posts were people wonder how they die so fast etc…
New people will get screwed and thats not good.

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> Button combos added a HUGE skill gap to the game, which is why a lot of people are supporting their return (I’d like t to point out they are confirmed to be in too).
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> Frankie said last year on NeoGAF that if something like H2A was to happen, they’d act like button combos were features and teach players how to use them rather than just letting the rich get richer, so to speak.
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> If you were talking about issues like the dummy glitch, super bouncing, etc - I’d understand because these were truly game breaking, but button combos truly aren’t.

If they are truly going to teach others and broaden these combos to everyone as if they actually were meant to come with the game, then I’d be more lenient towards them. I agree on the rich getting richer that you mentioned, as it will drive people away.

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I never got to experience much of Halo 2’s multiplayer as I wasn’t much of an online gamer at the time, but when I finally did I loved it…warts and all.

So I’m completely fine with them leaving in glitches like that.

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> > > I agree OP. This Glitches need to be removed. Lets the nostalgie die. It was maybe fun back in the day.
> > > Sometimes im really wondering if people get older… I do and i dont have the time anymore to learn and try as hard as some of this so called competitive people.
> > > I want some fair fun and not get cheated by some non intended glitches.
> > >
> > > People who dont want the glitches in Halo 2 probably have to play the 6 Anniversary Maps which are not running on the Glitchy OG Halo 2 Engine. So we will be able to enjoy some Halo 2.
> >
> > People don’t want these glitches because of nostalgia, people want it because they add more competitive aspect to the game. If you were put in a situation were you have lower shields than an enemy and you pull off a BXR on them, you’ve outplayed them entirely and leave the fight alive rather than just shoot, shoot, melee, both dead.
> >
> > It adds a whole other level of depth to the game which is why Halo 2 was such a competitive console shooter back in 2004, all the way until 2007 before Halo 3 took over.
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> Using “cheats” is not competitive to me. Back in 2004 it maybe was. But its 10 years later now.
> And to me it seems to be mostly nostalgie… Screaming about skill etc is not really an excuse. Because if that is a reason to you, then every shooter should have non intended Button glitches… Yeah get some DoubleShots into Battlefield and CoD…
> No Srsly let it die. Try to win a 1v1 battle simply with Movement and maybe Team Shot, button combos are cheap and cheating to me.
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> Non intended Glitches are not adding depth to the game. They are glitches nothing more.

I don’t think you understand what “cheats” are. Cheating is using tactics not available to all players to gain an unfair advantage over them. Glitches are available to everyone equally and therefore are no different from other tactics used in the game. Should we ban shooting because some people are better at it than others? Should we ban assassinations, which are instant kills no matter what, just because some people are better at doing them (ninjas) than others? And before you say “Oh, but those are intended mechanics, button glitches are unintended,” realize that it is entirely up to the developers to decide what is “intended” and “unintended,” and it is also up to them to enforce their judgement by patching these “unintended” features. So if 343 consciously decides to leave it in, it is an intended feature and is therefore subject to any of the former questions involving other intended features.

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Glitches are alright as long as they aren’t game breaking.

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> But it will ruin the playing experience for many. I am a firm believer in playing a game how it was meant to be played. I played Halo 2 Lan the majority of my experience with this game, with other people. I didn’t experience the online much at all,.

Exactly, you didn’t experience the online. So don’t pretend that you know enough to say it will ruin the experience. If you had actual experience to base this off of, I’d be more inclined to listen to you.

> The game plays just fine without these cheats. It will be in its truest form with them gone and be a refreshing equal playing field. There is enough skill and depth without things like BxR, I mean it’s Halo 2…

“In it’s truest form” No it won’t, this was a part of the game. Even though it was a glitch, it’s something people learned to play with. That is a completely oxymoronic statement. Besides, BXR is way better than those pesky double melee players we deal with now.

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I entirely agree that the bugs and glitches should be fixed. Contrary to popular belief button combo glitches did break game balance and not everyone was able to use it. According to the Xbox Live Terms of Service as well the exploitation of any glitch to gain an advantage is a bannable offence.

As for superbouncing, I believe it will be removed seeing as how they are using code for the PC version of Halo 2 which had the glitch fixed.

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> Sure, it isn’t competitive to you, but I can tell you with 100% truth that there are A LOT of people who disagree with you. Button combos added more depth to the game.
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> People do NOT want these mostly for nostalgia, if that was the case, we’d be asking for 30FPS gameplay because that’s what the game originally played like, right? We aren’t. We want Halo 2’s multiplayer to be the best it can be in 2014, and 1080p, 60fps and dedicated servers is the best way to do that - with the original gameplay untouched. That includes button combos.
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> “Screaming about skill” is an excuse, because it is exactly what it is, an accidental addition to Halo 2 that made it a heck of a lot better than what it would have played without it.
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> The reason you don’t see this kind of stuff in games like Battlefield and Call of Duty and future titles is because it isn’t some sort of requirement to make your game more skill based.
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> Heck, MLG never banned button combos in Halo 2 because the community and fan base agreed that they added a whole other level of depth to the game.

Only the Tryhard Community disagrees with me lol. I know a lot of people who played Halo 2 for years but werent Fans of the Glitches. And they are still not now.
Can you stop with this depth nonsense? Its a Shooter not a Fighter.

People IMO only want this glitches because of Nostalgia. There is no other excuse to me. Comparing a higher framerate to broken glitches… simply lol
Halo 2 can be fine without glitches. Team Skill, Map Control etc

Thank god there are this 6 remastered Maps based on a New Engine without this Glitch crap. So everyone can enjoy Halo 2.

The reason you dont see this kind of broken Glitches in new games is, because stuff like this doesnt belong there.

I loved Halo 2, but to me it would be way more Fun without annoying glitches, but thats why there are this 6 remastered Maps on a new Engine, for people who dont want to experience this kind of stuff.

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> > But it will ruin the playing experience for many. I am a firm believer in playing a game how it was meant to be played. I played Halo 2 Lan the majority of my experience with this game, with other people. I didn’t experience the online much at all,.
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> Exactly, you didn’t experience the online. So don’t pretend that you know enough to say it will ruin the experience. If you had actual experience to base this off of, I’d be more inclined to listen to you.
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> > The game plays just fine without these cheats. It will be in its truest form with them gone and be a refreshing equal playing field. There is enough skill and depth without things like BxR, I mean it’s Halo 2…
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> “In it’s truest form” No it won’t, <mark>this was a part of the game</mark>. Even though it was a glitch, it’s something <mark>people learned to play with</mark>. That is a completely oxymoronic statement. Besides, BXR is way better than those pesky double melee players we deal with now.

I’m not pretending, just using logic of how glitches used to gain an upper hand usually effect people’s experiences. I don’t need to experience that nor want to tbh.

Unintentionally, so no it wasn’t supposed to be there.
People were forced to play with it, and some learned to deal with it.
Double melee wouldn’t be a problem if you weren’t that close and fell for it…I’d take that over Reach sprint double pummel with no bleedthrough. Not saying I advocate for that tactic…

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My opinion on button glitches…

Ideally there should be playlists where button glitches are turned off, but I don’t see that happening with what 343i has confirmed so far in that the only changes being made to the original game are bumping it up to 1080p/60fps. It’s still possible though. I’m all for the button glitches however, because whether you consider them cheating or not, they increased the skill gap of the game.

Take the BXR and compare it to a regular melee battle as an example: In a regular melee battle, typically the first person to react and press the melee button when they’re within melee distance gets the kill or first hit.

In a BXR battle the same is true, but with an added step that can either make or break your attack. If you press X before you actually hit the player during the lunge, your melee won’t do any damage, however, press it anytime after the melee connects and you’re able to quickly finish the person off with a head-shot anytime after you press X. Now it’s not only a contest of who can react the quickest and press B, but who can react the quickest, press B, press X with precise timing, and get the headshot if you’ve aimed correctly… All before the other player does the same thing. Oh and you have to have a full magazine before you can do it, otherwise you’ll reload when you press X.

Obviously the BXR demands greater control and practice from the player than a regular melee battle does, and it also yields the greater reward: a faster kill, which makes sense from a balancing and real-world perspective; the task that takes a greater amount of effort should yield a greater reward.

The BXR is an additional game mechanic for a player to learn and practice, on top of other more fundamental elements that can be learned and practiced such as aiming, strafing, awareness, positioning, yada yada yada… Therefore, to say the BXR and similar button glitches don’t add to the skill gap is illogical since they can be added to the skill-set of ANY Halo 2 player if they’re are willing to learn and practice them, and whoever still believes they don’t add to the skill-gap after reading this is in denial or doesn’t believe those who work more deserve more.

There are more button glitches I could talk about that are harder to pull off and a bit more risky than the BXR, but I think the BXR example will suffice for my argument. If you need more convincing or want to know more button glitches, read on…

other glitches:

RRX - Double shot: shoot two shots one right after the other. Very hard to do, mostly used competitively as a last resort to come out on top of a br battle where the enemy has an extra shot on you that you need to make up for. If you mess up the timing though, you’re dead for sure.

RRX YY RRX - Quad shot: Mostly used in FFA gametypes, but will be used in 4v4 occasionally if the player is confident enough and the situation applies. You can link two double shots in a row by pressing YY after the first double shot (requires a secondary weapon. very easy to screw up).

RRBX (A harder BXR that doesn’t require a full magazine).

BR(hold R)X RRX BXR RRX BXR etc… - Excessive/XSV shot: Probably the hardest and most impractical glitch. It allows you to double shot successively like the quad shot without the need for a secondary weapon. Anyone who can pull this off under pressure has practiced it A LOT. Can only be done off-host

These examples absolutely prove that button glitches aren’t just cheap exploits (cheats), but in fact take a lot of timing, practice, and dexterity, and if you believe otherwise, you should probably setup custom games and enforce an honor rule where button glitches aren’t allowed, or you should just not play Halo 2 at a competitive level… But hopefully 343 can implement an on/off feature or playlist option where they’re turned off to please everyone.

End note:

Other games have benefited competitively from button glitches as well, just look at Super Smash Bros Melee and the Street Fighter series. Street Fighter 2 on the Super Nintendo was the first game to feature a button glitch where you could cancel animations and link up your attacks, forming a “combo”. This “combo” mechanic was embraced by Capcom and other fighting game developers as evidenced by its implementation into pretty much every fighting game thereafter.