I have seen many players on these forums talking as if Halo 4 is their game, only their opinion matters, 343 better follow their suggestions and make Halo 4 exactly like this or ill nerd rage and not buy halo 4.
The truth is, 343 doesn’t owe anybody anything. Halo 4 is THIER game, not ours. we are lucky that ANYONE picked up the franchise after Bungie left it for a new IP. 343 has no obligations to any of their fans. However, each member of the Halo 4 development team IS a halo fan, and as such, we can be sure that they are doing their best to ensure that Halo 4 will be the best that they can make it.
Be glad that there even is going to be a Halo 4, and remember that 343 is going to make 343 the way they want to, regardless of what people on these forums scream about. so DEAL WITH IT.
Even I am not 100% sure I like all the new changes, but that doesn’t mean ill feel betrayed by 343 if they do something I’m not happy with.
Crying about how 343 is “ignoring their fan base” isn’t going to improve the game, not will it make you sound more intelligent.
Im not saying we shouldn’t argue over sprint or “perks” or playlists. Im saying that we just need to remember that this isn’t OUR game, it belongs to 343. We can discuss all we want, but don’t expect 343 to listen, and don’t rage when they don’t.
Consumers are the ones paying their bills, so they should be able to have some say, and they do. If you wish to interpret people’s ideas, wants and whatnot as being “entitled” you can, but that doesn’t change the facts.
> Consumers are the ones paying their bills, so they should be able to have some say, and they do. If you wish to interpret people’s ideas, wants and whatnot as being “entitled” you can, but that doesn’t change the facts.
Im directing this more specifically at the players who say something along the lines of “343 owe us [something]”. Im not saying people can’t or shouldn’t want things (i think i said that in the op). I’m just saying that we have to remember that 343 doesn’t owe anybody anything.
I don’t see wanting sprint gone or wanting AAs gone or wanting a better forge editor as entitlement. I’m seeing “If 343 doesn’t do this, I’m not going to buy the game” or “343 owes it to X community to do this” as entitlement.
I understand that we are the ones paying their bills. Im just saying that people need to stop acting like their ideas/opinions are word of god.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. 343i obviously owns the actual game, the rights to it etc, but its us as the customers that decide whether it succeeds or fails in the market, and thats a pretty damn high incentive for them to meet our expectations instead of literally doing whatever the hell they want if they actually want to make money. So really they are not obligated to do anything for us at all, but it is very much in their best interests to do so. Sort of like how you are not obligated to breath, but its probably best that you do. I can guarantee that the employees of 343i do feel obligated on a personal level to deliver for the fans too, even if they technically arnt.
What i have noticed though is the “competitive community” that really does feel absolutely entitled to some sort of bland ultra-competitive hellhole of a ‘perfect’ game after the perceived slight of Reach, with no ‘distractions’ such as innovative new features in a decade old franchise or having more than one gun to use depending on situation or paying any mind at all to fun. And they dont seem to care how many other people get alienated along the way.
> The truth is somewhere in the middle. 343i obviously owns the actual game, the rights to it etc, but its us as the customers that decide whether it succeeds or fails in the market, and thats a pretty damn high incentive for them to meet our expectations instead of literally doing whatever the hell they want if they actually want to make money. So really they are not obligated to do anything for us at all, but it is very much in their best interests to do so. Sort of like how you are not obligated to breath, but its probably best that you do. I can guarantee that the employees of 343i do feel obligated on a personal level to deliver for the fans too, even if they technically arnt.
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> What i have noticed though is the “competitive community” that really does feel absolutely entitled to some sort of bland ultra-competitive hellhole of a ‘perfect’ game after the perceived slight of Reach, with no ‘distractions’ such as innovative new features in a decade old franchise or having more than one gun to use depending on situation or paying any mind at all to fun. And they dont seem to care how many other people get alienated along the way.
I actually agree with you on all points. its precisely that attitude that I am tailing about. And of course they want to please their fans. its like i said, the fans have every right to ask for things, and if 343 agrees, they can change it. but when they don’t change it fans shouldn’t rage saying that 343 betrayed them, as I’m sure those players you mentioned will do should they not get their way.
343 makes the final decisions on the game. And i’m fine with that. However i’m sure they are smart enough to listen to the community like Bungie did. Considering alot of 343 employees worked for Bungie at one point or another i think it’d be natural to check on the community and what they want. Ofcoarse not everything can be made that the community wants, so there has to be a line.
Halo became a great game because as they made games, they listened to the community for input. Every Video Game company knows Bungie listened and thats what got their fan base to keep playing. 343 will listen.
> 343 makes the final decisions on the game. And i’m fine with that. However i’m sure they are smart enough to listen to the community like Bungie did. Considering alot of 343 employees worked for Bungie at one point or another i think it’d be natural to check on the community and what they want. Ofcoarse not everything can be made that the community wants, so there has to be a line.
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> Halo became a great game because as they made games, they listened to the community for input. Every Video Game company knows Bungie listened and thats what got their fan base to keep playing. 343 will listen.
Again, true. All I am against is gamers feeling that they are owed anything. I get the sense that a large number of forum goers feel as though 343 has to agree with them, even though there is another group who feels exactly the opposite. One side is going the be disappointed. However, they shouldn’t feel betrayed.
> However, each member of the Halo 4 development team IS a halo fan, and as such, we can be sure that they are doing their best to ensure that Halo 4 will be the best that they can make it.
Whether Halo 4 succeeds or not depends on whether they’re more of a Halo 3 fan, or a Halo: Reach fan.
Video games are nothing more than software that we are buying a license for when we purchase it.
We don’t own it, we own the license to play it.
Halo in particular is owned by Microsoft, it’s a brand. Microsoft then hires studios like Bungie, 343, Ensemble, etc… to produce the software. When we buy the game, we aren’t buying the rights to the software, it’s still owned by Microsoft, we’re buying a license to use the software. That’s where Terms of Service and other contracts come in. Microsoft has every right to rescind the player’s license to use the software if the player is in violation of the ToS.
> > 343 makes the final decisions on the game. And i’m fine with that. However i’m sure they are smart enough to listen to the community like Bungie did. Considering alot of 343 employees worked for Bungie at one point or another i think it’d be natural to check on the community and what they want. Ofcoarse not everything can be made that the community wants, so there has to be a line.
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> > Halo became a great game because as they made games, they listened to the community for input. Every Video Game company knows Bungie listened and thats what got their fan base to keep playing. 343 will listen.
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> Again, true. All I am against is gamers feeling that they are owed anything. I get the sense that a large number of forum goers feel as though 343 has to agree with them, even though there is another group who feels exactly the opposite. One side is going the be disappointed. However, they shouldn’t feel betrayed.
Exactly. People need to understand, some ideas are impossible, some require too much, some aren’t very good as a whole, and what’s left after that are the ideas that may be useable, then after making them, they get cut to the ones that work. Some may not like the ideas that make it, but thats how it goes.
The problem is there are different generations of Halo players. There are those who think Halo 2 was the greatest Halo of all time but an entire generation of players didn’t start playing until Halo 3 and consider that to be the definitive Halo experience. Then there are those who haven’t started until Reach and a lot of them actually like the way it plays while the Halo 2 and 3 people think it sucks.
343i has said numerous times that you can’t please everyone and it’s absolutely true. Too many people have their own dream Halo in mind but not everyone is going to like what you want and you’re not always going to like what they want. That’s life and there is no point in complaining about it. All you can do is wait patiently to see what 343i can come up with. Just know that they will take into account all the things that worked in the previous Halos and integrate them into Halo 4 the best they can while still giving it its own identity.
Stop being a bunch of whiny self centered pessimists and just be happy Halo is even still around. Thank you.
When you take over a franchise then you clearly have to know what your fan base like and do not like, want and do not want. It’s not exclusively about entitlement (though there is some of that going about) it’s about expectation for a franchise. They can’t get away with changing core mechanics (not that I’m saying they are) because this is not a stand alone game, it is much bigger than that.
So actually they DO owe us something, they owe us a HALO game, and I am optimistic that they will create one. It may not be our game, but ultimately the fans are the ones who decide how something will be remembered.
> I have seen many players on these forums talking as if Halo 4 is their game, only their opinion matters, 343 better follow their suggestions and make Halo 4 exactly like this or ill nerd rage and not buy halo 4.
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> The truth is, 343 doesn’t owe anybody anything. Halo 4 is THIER game, not ours. we are lucky that ANYONE picked up the franchise after Bungie left it for a new IP. 343 has no obligations to any of their fans. However, each member of the Halo 4 development team IS a halo fan, and as such, we can be sure that they are doing their best to ensure that Halo 4 will be the best that they can make it.
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> Be glad that there even is going to be a Halo 4, and remember that 343 is going to make 343 the way they want to, regardless of what people on these forums scream about. so DEAL WITH IT.
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> Even I am not 100% sure I like all the new changes, but that doesn’t mean ill feel betrayed by 343 if they do something I’m not happy with.
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> Crying about how 343 is “ignoring their fan base” isn’t going to improve the game, not will it make you sound more intelligent.
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> Im not saying we shouldn’t argue over sprint or “perks” or playlists. Im saying that we just need to remember that this isn’t OUR game, it belongs to 343. We can discuss all we want, but don’t expect 343 to listen, and don’t rage when they don’t.
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> TLDR = Not our game, discuss more, rage less.
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> Let the flaming commence.
so much fail
we are not “lucky” halo was picked up. Halo is a rare exclusive IP that makes MS millions. there was never a question
no 343 has the obligation to make a halo game. People buy sequals for generally more of the same with some new sprinkles. If games need to be reinvented every year I ask you why COD and every board game stays virtually the same and are loved by virtually all.
If you strike gold you dont abandon your mine to dig another and hope to strike gold again. You dig deeper and perfect things.
343 has already shown they listen to our “screams” which a more wise person would realize is customer feedback. A highly valued commodity in business.
4)No I wont “deal” with it. If there is something dumb going on I will call it out. 343 is making a product for customers to buy. I am a customer so I want a product that suits my needs.
5)You clearly dont understand how BRANDS work. corporations invest millions to make people feel that a certain BRAND is theirs. abercrombi jeans are not much diff from gap jeans and nowadays there is a viable alternative to halo…COD.
H4 will be our game when we give them hard earned money for it. If they want our money the game should suit our needs along the lines of what a sequal is…MORE OF THE SAME with some new stuff added on.
> The problem is there are different generations of Halo players. There are those who think Halo 2 was the greatest Halo of all time but an entire generation of players didn’t start playing until Halo 3 and consider that to be the definitive Halo experience. Then there are those who haven’t started until Reach and a lot of them actually like the way it plays while the Halo 2 and 3 people think it sucks.
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> 343i has said numerous times that you can’t please everyone and it’s absolutely true. Too many people have their own dream Halo in mind but not everyone is going to like what you want and you’re not always going to like what they want. That’s life and there is no point in complaining about it. All you can do is wait patiently to see what 343i can come up with. Just know that they will take into account all the things that worked in the previous Halos and integrate them into Halo 4 the best they can while still giving it its own identity.
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> Stop being a bunch of whiny self centered pessimists and just be happy Halo is even still around. Thank you.
> Video games are nothing more than software that we are buying a license for when we purchase it.
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> We don’t own it, we own the license to play it.
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> Halo in particular is owned by Microsoft, it’s a brand. Microsoft then hires studios like Bungie, 343, Ensemble, etc… to produce the software. When we buy the game, we aren’t buying the rights to the software, it’s still owned by Microsoft, we’re buying a license to use the software. That’s where Terms of Service and other contracts come in. Microsoft has every right to rescind the player’s license to use the software if the player is in violation of the ToS.
If you are talking about ownership from a legal standpoint, that is true. But what Im getting at is own in the sense of who is it that owns the game in the sense of what goes into it and what doesn’t. I debated having Microsoft as an option, but decided it would get confusing.