For those of that have seen the Megablocks Forward Unto Dawn ship video, I’m sure you’re wondering the same thing as me.
If the reason you made this your 117th halo megablocks set is because the Forward Unto Dawn is so ‘iconic’, then why the -Yoink- does it look nothing like the FUD?
This pisses me off so much, I loved the UNSC frigate, I think it looks great, giving both the feeling of power while also seeming very vulnerable, which is what it is. When I saw the trailers for Halo 4 showing the back half going towards Requiem, I thought maybe the camera angle was just wrong for us to see it properly, but nope, they’ve just completely changed the design of the UNSC frigate.
This wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the fact there seems to be no reason whatsoever to do this.
> For those of that have seen the Megablocks Forward Unto Dawn ship video, I’m sure you’re wondering the same thing as me.
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> If the reason you made this your 117th halo megablocks set is because the Forward Unto Dawn is so ‘iconic’, then why the -Yoink!- does it look nothing like the FUD?
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> This pisses me off so much, I loved the UNSC frigate, I think it looks great, giving both the feeling of power while also seeming very vulnerable, which is what it is. When I saw the trailers for Halo 4 showing the back half going towards Requiem, I thought maybe the camera angle was just wrong for us to see it properly, but nope, they’ve just completely changed the design of the UNSC frigate.
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> This wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the fact there seems to be no reason whatsoever to do this.
There have been a lot of threads about this since the first Halo 4 trailer. And they all end in the same way, that this is 343’s Halo and they took an new art direction.
Also in could be that the original FUD was too small to play an campaign mission on.
I liked the original FUD, but I have come like the new one.
The original FUD was 400 metres long, that’s long than today’s aircraft carriers, half of that is more than enough room for a level.
And I’m fine with the way the are taking the art direction, it differentiates the new trilogy to the old. What I’m not ok with is them messing with the old. Couldn’t they have just kept the FUD the same, then just been like oh hey, here’s our new UNSC frigate.
The new one also has 6 guns on the front, do UNSC frigates have six MAC’s now? Or have they just retconned the entire UNSC fleet and weaponry.
Those guns on the front are not the MAC. The MAC is a very long cannon that runs inside the ship through most of its lenght.
And I really love the new design, actually, but I agree they didn’t have to change it like that.
Yeah its a real shame the FUD got redesigned. It’s especially a shame considering that it wasn’t necessary, the old design looked great and all that design resource that was spent pointlessly redesigning the FUD could have been spent on redesigning things in H4 that have simply been copied from Reach and given a slightly different skin;
Needler
Scorpion
Plasma Pistol
Ghost
They’re the same in-game 3D models from Reach… and these are things that really do benefit from redesigning considering that its a brand new game and everything else has been redesigned.
But no… instead 343i redesign the one thing that shouldn’t have been redesigned and then neglect elements that really would have benefited from original artwork. All we end up with is an inconsistent art style, and a very questionable view of the management of resource at 343i.
> Yeah its a real shame the FUD got redesigned. It’s especially a shame considering that it wasn’t necessary, the old design looked great and all that design resource that was spent pointlessly redesigning the FUD could have been spent on redesigning things in H4 that have simply been copied from Reach and given a slightly different skin;
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> Needler
> Scorpion
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> Ghost
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> They’re the same in-game 3D models from Reach… and these are things that really do benefit from redesigning considering that its a brand new game and everything else has been redesigned.
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> But no… instead 343i redesign the one thing that shouldn’t have been redesigned and then neglect elements that really would have benefited from original artwork. All we end up with is an inconsistent art style, and a very questionable view of the management of resource at 343i.
It’s possible, even probable, the ship was redesigned for gameplay purposes.
> It’s possible, even probable, the ship was redesigned for gameplay purposes.
Exactly. The back end of Dawn has a very odd shape, and the back end is the worst place on a ship to try and put a level on.
Yeah definitely could see that, it’s just I can think of several ways that the old wreck of the original designed FUD could be tweaked to allow enough space inside for a Campaign level. We’ve seen that a ships interior doesn’t need to match the external design or dimensions in H1 and that seemed to work out just fine.
I’d really love to know the rationale behind the redesign. I don’t think I have an issue with it being redesigned, I just think its a shame that the new design is so bad. There’s also the issue with Paris-class Frigates apparently staying exactly the same.
I don’t see that much of a Big deal with the Forward unto dawn. It is just an new Art direction (as said before) it doesn’t need to be Canonically explained.
As long as they keep the Back section of the ship, if they start the game with the Whole Forward unto dawn (which i doubt) I’ll be pissed.
Off topic: is it just me or in the last mission of Halo: ce (the maw) why is there a bridge where the master chief would’ve been picked up by foehammer? it looks like the Autumn split in half O.o
> Yeah definitely could see that, it’s just I can think of several ways that the old wreck of the original designed FUD could be tweaked to allow enough space inside for a Campaign level. We’ve seen that a ships interior doesn’t need to match the external design or dimensions in H1 and that seemed to work out just fine.
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> I’d really love to know the rationale behind the redesign. I don’t think I have an issue with it being redesigned, I just think its a shame that the new design is so bad. There’s also the issue with Paris-class Frigates apparently staying exactly the same.
I’d much rather they redesign something if the other alternative was pulling a CE and having the internal layout make no sense at all. No matter what 343i did in this situation they would get make fans angry. If they leave the design the same and make the interior layout make no sense, fans get angry. If they leave the interior layout and exterior alone then they make fans angry because they just made a horrible level. If they redesign the ship to make a better level they make fans angry.
> The original FUD was 400 metres long, that’s long than today’s aircraft carriers, half of that is more than enough room for a level.
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> And I’m fine with the way the are taking the art direction, it differentiates the new trilogy to the old. What I’m not ok with is them messing with the old. Couldn’t they have just kept the FUD the same, then just been like oh hey, here’s our new UNSC frigate.
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> The new one also has 6 guns on the front, do UNSC frigates have six MAC’s now? Or have they just retconned the entire UNSC fleet and weaponry.
It doesn’t have 6 MAC’s at the front. That is for certain. It has several guns and Point Defense turrets on the sides, and several antennae on the front, but not 6 MAC guns. Besides, if you’re referring to the section John is on, that is the aft section and doesn’t have a MAC.
> I don’t see that much of a Big deal with the Forward unto dawn. It is just an new Art direction (as said before) it doesn’t need to be Canonically explained.
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> As long as they keep the Back section of the ship, if they start the game with the Whole Forward unto dawn (which i doubt) I’ll be pissed.
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> Off topic: is it just me or in the last mission of Halo: ce (the maw) why is there a bridge where the master chief would’ve been picked up by foehammer? it looks like the Autumn split in half O.o
Level design. It doesn’t make much sense. The Maw warthog run also lasts like 2km, when the PoA is only 1.17km long. Worse still, apparently it’s along the width of the ship!
> > Yeah definitely could see that, it’s just I can think of several ways that the old wreck of the original designed FUD could be tweaked to allow enough space inside for a Campaign level. We’ve seen that a ships interior doesn’t need to match the external design or dimensions in H1 and that seemed to work out just fine.
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> > I’d really love to know the rationale behind the redesign. I don’t think I have an issue with it being redesigned, I just think its a shame that the new design is so bad. There’s also the issue with Paris-class Frigates apparently staying exactly the same.
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> I’d much rather they redesign something if the other alternative was pulling a CE and having the internal layout make no sense at all. No matter what 343i did in this situation they would get make fans angry. If they leave the design the same and make the interior layout make no sense, fans get angry. If they leave the interior layout and exterior alone then they make fans angry because they just made a horrible level. If they redesign the ship to make a better level they make fans angry.
Personally I’d prefer they honor the end of H3 and the fact that the FUDs internal atmosphere was breached, and that there really wasn’t much left of the ship. Halo 4 doesn’t need to have an entire level in the wreckage of the FUD, the FUD just needs to be there in some capacity. H3 started with the Chief crashing onto Earth and Reach started on the planet, we don’t have to have a PoA/Cairo moment on a UNSC human ship to get the ball rolling.
Even if the FUD has been redesigned it surely can’t be any different in size than the original Charon-class frigate, so I don’t see the upshot. The FUD didn’t need redesigning just to justify the ship having internal atmosphere and compartments and whatnot, they could have simply made the original FUD wreck have atmosphere. Now I think about it internal atmosphere isn’t actually needed, as the Chief can operate in vacuum and so can Elites (and Grunts?), so I really have no idea what the upshot is at all.
We’ve all seen the end of H3 a dozen times. Suddenly the ship looks different and has an internal atmosphere. It’s weird and in my opinion a price too high for what we get in return.
FUDs redesign is absolutely inexplicable. I mean it looks cool and all now, but it didnt have those sloping topside panels. And where is the stern hanger bay? The one that dumped a tank out the back on the Ark. What is this i dont even.
Wait i know. Nanites did it!
I just can’t believe they redesigned the FUD but didn’t redesign/update the Scorpion, Ghost or Needler. It’s all backwards.
In the first design of the FUD, there is one large hole in the front, in the megablocks version, there are 6 smaller holes and no single big hole, this makes me assume that it’s six MACs, as there is no single hole for a MAC and the only holes in the front are those 6 same sized holes.
I really hope I’m wrong but I can’t see any single hole anymore, just the six.