Forums are a vocal minority but we speak for others.

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I hate when devs state that the forums are a vocal minority. While this is true we aren’t speaking just for ourselves. Their are many others out their that have the same thoughts and opinions that straight up don’t know this place exists. Maybe others that are too occupied with work and don’t have time for working, gaming and foruming. While we are a vocal minority we speak for the community at large. When I bring up subjects on the waypoint forums it’s the same things I’d have discussions with with people that no longer play Halo. Not just people that stopped for a certain issue or two. People that truely felt like Halo was losing it’s originality. I also talk to people in Reach that feel the same way as a lot of people on here. I ask them do you go to the waypoint forums and they have no idea what I’m even talking about.

Their is a large voice out their that agrees and disagrees and to say that the forums are just a vocal minority is just a complete cop-out so that the dev can do what ever they please. I’m not saying that 343 is dumping all over the true Halo faithful. I’m also not saying that they aren’t. I’m just saying that while the forum in general is a small portion of the actual Halo gamers. It’s the largest portion of the people that truly care about the direction the franchise is heading. I don’t agree with everything that is stated on these forums but if the idea is shared by enough people on here their is a good chance that the idea stands true amoung the rest of the players past and present.

We are more than just some small group of people who have bad ideas. I wish developers could respect that. Our opinions matter as we are the ones here caring about the process sometimes even years in advance.

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Don’t forget Halogaf.

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> Don’t forget Halogaf.

Trust me they know about Halogaf. -_-

lol

They just need to remember that some of us aren’t here speaking on our own behalf.

I have many friends that no longer play Halo that are just as concerned as the people that may or may not be on Halo related forums. While the overall forum presence is small they shouldn’t forget that these forums do serve a larger purpose. Every single time I see a dev write a forum off as it’s only a small section of the community it seems as though they are forgetting just how valuable our input can be and that we are speaking for others that don’t visit here.

It’s important that they create the game they want to create and cater to all different varieties of people but the hardcore fans whether it be casual or competitive are the ones that make the franchise what it is today.

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The ones who take the time and energy to frequent and post on these forums are the ones that care the most about the game’s development and what the finished product will be.

Aside from the forums, if you’re not voicing your opinion to 343i’s face in SOME WAY, you obviously don’t care all that much.

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You’re assuming that there’s a lot of people who think the same as you, even though you have no way of knowing. You might know some people who agree with you, but there’s a lot more people that you don’t even know about. You keep saying that MAYBE they’ll want it to change, but you don’t know what ‘everyone’ wants, therefore you cannot speak for ‘everyone’.

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> You’re assuming that there’s a lot of people who think the same as you, even though you have no way of knowing. You might know some people who agree with you, but there’s a lot more people that you don’t even know about. You keep saying that MAYBE they’ll want it to change, but you don’t know what ‘everyone’ wants, therefore you cannot speak for ‘everyone’.

Fortunately, we know what doesn’t belong in an Arena FPS.

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> You’re assuming that there’s a lot of people who think the same as you, even though you have no way of knowing. You might know some people who agree with you, but there’s a lot more people that you don’t even know about. You keep saying that MAYBE they’ll want it to change, but you don’t know what ‘everyone’ wants, therefore you cannot speak for ‘everyone’.

Again, I must reinforce… Those who are not voicing their opinions here on the forums, or somewhere else where 343i is sure to see it… Those people obviously don’t care as much as the folks who take the time to come here and share what they think.

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> They just need to remember that some of us aren’t here speaking on our own behalf.

Not necessarily saying you do this but certain individuals deliveries of what they’d like featured in the game hardly promote discussion at times and rather demand a feature as it is make or break.

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I reckon if they are developing a game, it should be based entirely on what the active community wants. I understand that they want new players interested in the game, but that doesn’t mean you can’t keep Halo veterans happy.

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> You’re assuming that there’s a lot of people who think the same as you, even though you have no way of knowing. You might know some people who agree with you, but there’s a lot more people that you don’t even know about. You keep saying that MAYBE they’ll want it to change, but you don’t know what ‘everyone’ wants, therefore you cannot speak for ‘everyone’.

Everything here is absolutly inaccurate to what I stated in my post. I’m saying eveyones ideas overall. Not just my own ideas are shared by others. I’m aware that people have their own opinions… Only an idiot wouldn’t believe in differing opinions.

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> I hate when devs state that the forums are a vocal minority.

You kids and your slang… whats a dev?

> While this is true we aren’t speaking just for ourselves.

Yes… you are. You do not speak, act, or, translate for others until they choose to voice this, if ever. You are you. They are them.

> Their are many others out their that have the same thoughts and opinions that straight up don’t know this place exists.

Probably… you still cannot speak for them. Besides, actions speak louder then words.

> Maybe others that are too occupied with work and don’t have time for working, gaming and foruming.

Good reasons, but if that’s the case with gaming and being online at other forums, then they should be looking for the main source of Halo, granted I’m sure 343 has a few individuals searching for all internet opinions and monitor other sites (maybe), but this is an identified source for 343 industries, if their is a place to state your concerns, this site is it.

> While we are a vocal minority we speak for the community at large.

No… you don’t.

> When I bring up subjects on the waypoint forums it’s the same things I’d have discussions with with people that no longer play Halo.

Ok…

> Not just people that stopped for a certain issue or two. People that truly felt like Halo was losing it’s originality.

Quality of person is a good factor to consider. For example, do I think the people I currently discuss Halo topics with all knowing and correct? Never. Could they be wrong in every word they saw? Absolutely. Anything in-between those two questions? Without question. The same lies with your friends, while you can agree on certain elements, there’s thousands of players that like Halo. X people more “dedicated” then others. X people are wiser on certain elements then others, and X people probably have a difference of opinion. The key phrase here is nX people, you will probably never find the stats to prove anything on your opinion being accepted more then others and you most certainly cannot pull fake statements like, “Well others don’t post on here and my friends who no longer do Halo agree with me, therefore, a majority must agree with me.” It’s called general discrimination for a reason.

> I also talk to people in Reach that feel the same way as a lot of people on here. I ask them do you go to the waypoint forums and they have no idea what I’m even talking about.

Good for you. Now take another step and explain to them the site exists for them to voice what they like, dislike, about ALL the Halo games. What would they like to see? What would they change? If they still are clueless, explain to them many gamers come onto the Waypoint forums to do many things, but ultimately, its so we can help influence the future of this franchise in a way we like.

> Their is a large voice out their that agrees and disagrees and to say that the forums are just a vocal minority is just a complete cop-out so that the dev can do what ever they please.

You were doing so good… gosh dangit. Once again, you will never speak for them. Never. If we can make an effort to come on here and voice our concerns, likes, dislikes, they have that power too. It may be under different economical conditions depending where they are, but it is still their right to be able to come on here and be treated just as respected as anyone else, which includes voicing their own concerns and not having to be worried or concerned about you taking away their right to say different or agree.

> I’m not saying that 343 is dumping all over the true Halo faithful. I’m also not saying that they aren’t.I’m just saying that while the forum in general is a small portion of the actual Halo gamers.

… you might want to rethink this statement…

> It’s the largest portion of the people that truly care about the direction the franchise is heading.

So your saying that because we log into Waypoint, state a few posts over months, years, etc. that we care about the direction of the franchise? Yes we care, yes we do take action where others don’t, but you and myself and these forums are not something to base worth on in the entirety of the FRANCHISE! There’s games, comics, novels, other forums, other ideas, and a over a million other elements that, according to your philosophy, make each one of them more valuable then someone who only takes on one or multiple elements. 0_o… If that’s what you think, good for you, keep thinking that, I’m not here to lecture you on how to live your life. I’m here to lecture you on how your wrong, how, if you continue thinking this way, you’ll always be wrong, and in the grand scheme of things, your still worth one opinion, no better or worse then anyone else in the franchise. Now I look at your last statement and my ideals and ethics are kicking in: Do not be a politician on these forums, (“Hey hey, don’t point at me, I’m just pointing out a possibility…”) there are people who are better at it and your terrible at it. Not trying to be mean, but I am being straightforward with you.

> I don’t agree with everything that is stated on these forums but if the idea is shared by enough people on here their is a good chance that the idea stands true among the rest of the players past and present.

You and I both… you and I both. And if the idea is shared by enough people? He he he, whats “enough people”? One? two? ten? Half the forums? A majority? There’s people here who only go into one topic and flame bait everything in sight. A good chunk of my time is referring people to bulletins maybe a month past indicating their answer was there all along.

> We are more than just some small group of people who have bad ideas.

A) We all want to come on here and have fun, therefore, no idea is bad.

B) forget A. Bad ideas do pop up, rarily. See exhibit T: Tornado Gun. lol…

> I wish developers could respect that. Our opinions matter as we are the ones here caring about the process sometimes even years in advance.

Right, so if 343 catered to the forums, the world would be right and just… tell me something, if the forums can’t unify an identity based solely on the idea of a type of gamer, namely competitive MM and casual MM, how on earth do you expect to accomplish this? Diversity is a great thing… to a degree.

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Whilst the forums may be a minority compared to the overall Halo fan-base, our opinions aren’t necessarily a minority…

Think of a survey, the entire world isn’t surveyed, a small group is, that ends up representing the target group.

I like to think forums like this one represent the Halo Fan-base as a whole, we are simply the ones that are both internet goers and vocal about our opinions.

There is a huge amount of diversity in opinions and ideas from the community, which supports this…

I’m not saying company’s like 343 should tailor their games to their forum communities, however looking to us, they could get a reasonably accurate idea on where their fan-bases as a whole stand.

And when the entire forum nearly completely agree on something, there’s a good chance the rest of the fan-base will too, so i wish company’s wouldn’t write us off as a mere vocal minority…

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> Whilst the forums may be a minority compared to the overall Halo fan-base, our opinions aren’t necessarily a minority…
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> Think of a survey, the entire world isn’t surveyed, a small group is, that ends up representing the target group.
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> I like to think forums like this one represent the Halo Fan-base as a whole, we are simply the ones that are both internet goers and vocal about our opinions.
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> There is a huge amount of diversity in opinions and ideas from the community, which supports this…
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> I’m not saying company’s like 343 should tailor their games to their forum communities, however looking to us, they could get a reasonably accurate idea on where their fan-bases as a whole stand.
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> And when the entire forum nearly completely agree on something, there’s a good chance the rest of the fan-base will too, so i wish company’s wouldn’t write us off as a mere vocal minority…

This is around what I was trying to say in the OP. I really don’t like all the responses that point “ME” out as a generalization. I’d rather others use “WE” because I’m well aware that my ideas and that of my friends are no more right or wrong than the ideas of others. I’m not trying to say that everything I say is right because that is simply not what I said or the case. I’m just saying that while we the forum are a vocal minority the shouldn’t really be the overall term used. They should also not use that phrase to generalize us because they better know that a ton of the ideas on this forum are shared by many others I talk to.

I also do get people to join the forums as much as I possibly can. Whether it be friends or randoms on XBL. Even if they don’t share the same opinion as I do. I figure it’s best to try to get as much people as possible on here and if they don’t give input before the game is released they really have no right to complain after the game is released.

To the guy above that took time to answer in large chuncks. I take no offense to your post whatsoever. If that is the way you view things cool. I just think you took some things out of context. I’m aware that I’m not the end all of Halo. I just hate the phrase vocal minority. It just makes it seem as if the forums are really useless. So a ton of these people with very elaborate ideas are pretty much posting them for nothing. A bunch of people offer great ways to fix things or make things better and it just seems like it’s shrugged off.

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Hellfire
…-Yoink- off.

You’re a -Yoink-.

And personally, all you tried to accomplish…was to simply give justification for them to not care about anything that is said in their forum.

No matter what you think.

This forum, no matter how minor…DOES SPEAK FOR THE LARGER MAJORITY!

If you ever took a math statistics class you’d realize that.

I mean are you glad in what your response is trying to accomplish?
Pretty much nothing but counting yourself and everyone else out as worthless voices not worth listening too, simply because of the millions who don’t care to speak up…

NEXT TIME I would be deeply appreciative if you would refrain from speaking.!

Because I’ll tell you what… I personally speak on behalf of about 10 people. People I’ve been playing games in general with for YEARS! But they just are not as commited as I am to bother signing up to voice their opinions. But their opinions go right in line with mine.

It is unreasonable to assume that everyone who plays Halo is going to take the time to sign up to any forum to do so… So you have to go off the voices of those who do.

Otherwise, what voice are you going to listen too? The one that isn’t speaking?

And learn to respond to someone without trying to act like a smart -Yoink- ripping it apart line by line…

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And you were doing so good…derp

You’re lucky I am not a moderator. Cause you would be gone after that condescending -Yoink-.
And I glady accept the possiblity of getting myself banned to tell you that you’re a -Yoinking!- loser.