Forum Etiquette

I hope I don’t sound upset or enraged when writing this, but I’m tired of hearing the people on this forum who say things like “adapt to the new game or leave.” or “If you don’t like it then don’t play it,” and here’s why.

When I purchased Halo 4, I anticipated the core Halo gameplay mechanics like no custom loadouts and weapons on the map. I didn’t anticipate an overpowered DMR and overpowered Boltshot that stripped away map movement. I was expecting a game to return to its roots, and play like the Halo 3 that I loved playing. I have already spent $60 and $10 more for this game and extra map pack, and in a smaller sense I felt that 343 used the name “Halo” to get me to buy a game that plays more like Call of Duty.

Now, I am not placing total blame on343, because I understand that they took on a lot of responsibility and pressure in making this game great. I truly feel like they are doing everything they can to make the game better without drastically changing the game over a few irate fans. I think it is perfectly fine to tell them what you like and dislike about the game, because that’s what make the game become better.

I guess I’m just more disappointed in the forum posters who leave negative posts that don’t discuss anything. Instead, all they say is if you don’t like Halo 4 then don’t play it or things like that. The problem is that I was expecting a more “Haloistic” gameplay. So please allow me to voice my concerns, and I will allow you to productively agree or disagree with what I say.

Can you use empathy and see it from my point of view and compromise?

I would like to say that I’m more than willing to empathize and compromise. I would prefer not to have Sprint than to have it, but I don’t care too much if it stays. I would be totally for having a more “classic” playlist for the Halo 3 lovers, and a “modern” playlist for the fans of the new one.

I love al of the new weapons and think none of them should be removed or drastically changed.

Tell me what you like and dislike about the game, and why. All I ask is to not tell me to go play some other game, because I’ve been a Halo fan for years, and I feel I can voice my concerns and what I think should be changed.

> <mark>I would like to say that I’m more than willing to empathize and compromise.</mark> I would prefer not to have Sprint than to have it, but I don’t care too much if it stays. I would be totally for having a more “classic” playlist for the Halo 3 lovers, and a “modern” playlist for the fans of the new one.
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> I love al of the new weapons and think none of them should be removed or drastically changed.
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> Tell me what you like and dislike about the game, and why. All I ask is to not tell me to go play some other game, because I’ve been a Halo fan for years, and I feel I can voice my concerns and what I think should be changed.

Then you and I are allies fighting the same fight.

I would enjoy it if everyone had the same thoughts, but sadly if I post a what’s wrong with Halo 4 type of post I’m attacked by Halo 4 lovers, but if I post a H470 4 15 4w350m3 post I’m attacked by radical Halo 4 haters.
In short if we balanced out the community then we could all yell at 343 in one megathread.

> > <mark>I would like to say that I’m more than willing to empathize and compromise.</mark> I would prefer not to have Sprint than to have it, but I don’t care too much if it stays. I would be totally for having a more “classic” playlist for the Halo 3 lovers, and a “modern” playlist for the fans of the new one.
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> > I love al of the new weapons and think none of them should be removed or drastically changed.
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> > Tell me what you like and dislike about the game, and why. All I ask is to not tell me to go play some other game, because I’ve been a Halo fan for years, and I feel I can voice my concerns and what I think should be changed.
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> Then you and I are allies fighting the same fight.

i guess im in this too, i want halo to return to its roots however i dont want it to rehash old gameplay over and over. It would become extremely boring

> I would like to say that I’m more than willing to empathize and compromise. I would prefer not to have Sprint than to have it, but I don’t care too much if it stays. I would be totally for having a more “classic” playlist for the Halo 3 lovers, and a “modern” playlist for the fans of the new one.
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> I love al of the new weapons and think none of them should be removed or drastically changed.
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> Tell me what you like and dislike about the game, and why. All I ask is to not tell me to go play some other game, because I’ve been a Halo fan for years, and I feel I can voice my concerns and what I think should be changed.

I’d like random weapon drops removed, and replaced with respawning initial drops. It’s not too big of a change on the surface, since weapons are still marked with Waypoints, but it allows weapon spawning to be just like older Halo games, while reducing randomness.

Scale back personal ordinance, to the point where it provides (possibly) less useful power weapons like the needler, as well as grenades, and possibly an overshield (since the other two powerups are too good).

Remove instant respawn: Though it makes the game play faster, it’s not faster in a good way. It removes the ablity to reposition well after getting a kill, and removes any incentive for players to keep from dying, meaning that most of them will just rush opponents.

Every feature I want changed or removed currently gets in the way of Halo 4’s amazing core gameplay.

The op points out a common problem with gaming in general. People buy games and have way to high an expectation of the content, or have expectations that at odds with the actual game information and content.

Personaly I have no real “hangups” when it comes to gaming. I play every genre and lots of different titles in the same genre’s. I also take every game “as it comes” and judge it on its own merits. I dont look to previous titles and have any expectations of the next iteration. I just look at whats there and how good or bad it is to me. Ive done that since the 80’s with every game Ive played.

Not a lot of people do that. Infact its more likely that people are opposite of me and based all of the expectations of a new title on past iterations. Which is probably why we get so many disgruntled gamers these days.

Now imo for what its worth; Halo 4 on its own merits, is a good fun game. It has issues of balance and performance but these can be overcome via patching. Im not a “fan”, I have no emotional attachments to games and certainly not to Halo. I enjoy playing them, but I maintain a rational outlook. On this basis I see there are quiet a few issues with how Halo 4 currently plays and I have a few suggestions to resolve those in various ways. But none of them involve ripping out parts of the game, nor adding in fundamental changes to the way it currently plays.

Why? Because I think that fundamentaly its a good game and better than previous Halo games for enjoyment. Scoff if you will, and respond with your claims of H3 superiority in X or Y department and throw number around. That is your opinion, you are entitled to it.

But when it comes to facts, the are…well facts. FPS shooters these days are 10 a penny. Because of this “Arena” style FPS games no longer have the player support they used to have. Other games have superceeded them in popularity. The ones still going that have an active playerbase are the very players that are NOT going to move on to another title any time soon. And thats fine, and as it should be. People like X over Y and decide to continue with X instead. Normal behaviour.

The irrationality is in expecting more players than a previous title from several years ago when FPS shooters were NOT as “10 a penny” as they are now, and were relatively sidelined compared to other bigger titles of the time (The early MMO craze for instance). One can even say of the FPS titles there were of the time of H3, even it was not as popular as some, BF2 is a prime example. Way way bigger playerbase than H3 could ever wish for at the time. So on numbers alone we dont get an accurate representation of how much has changed in that time between the “then” and the “now”.

Now to put all of this in to context; Gaming evolves and changes every year in some way or another. A new device can come along and change the demographics, or a particular franchise might see an exploision of customers, while at the same time older styles of play are left at the wayside because they are not as popular anymore. Look at hot-seat gaming, thats practically dead these days with a handfull of titles having options for it, it being replaced with online gaming instead.

H4 is a new direction for Halo. “Fans” are just going to have to bite the bullet at realise that this is how its going to be from now on. Major sweeping changes to the H4 are not going to happen, but improvements to its implementation can be done. We as gamers just have to build a concensus on what are critical changes needed to existing mechanics and what are prefferable changes, and what if any minor changes we would like to see.