343 isn’t killing Halos identity at all with the addition of sprint or, as I have seen someone post about, the sound of the shield recharge being changed. Also with the armor looking more quote on quote unusual which is understandable if you are comparing it to previous games in the series. But here is the argument I present:
It is the evolution of the technology this is an inevitable change that was going to happen weather or not 343 or Bungie made the game. This is showing that time is actually passing between these games instead of just saying it is. This is also showing that the level of ingenuity of the human race far exceeds that of the Covenant or even the Forerunners (potentially). Without any evolution to the game and its mechanics the game would have died off just like Destiny did after playing it for a month.
I rest my case.
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…but halo 4 did die off after a month
and we don’t know if H5 will yet since it’s not out
343 is not “killing” halo per se, they just are not doing the name justice and have been unable to re-create the magic of the original games, halo to me now feels like a mish mash of elements borrowed from every other FPS on the market, this isn’t to say that halo 5 is a bad game, but we are on the 5th installment now and this franchise could have been so much more by this point
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> …but halo 4 did die off after a month
Basically sums it up. Halo 4 tried to “evolve” the series and ended up being the quickest Halo game to die with only a few thousand playing after one month. While previous Halo games thrived for many months, even years. Innovation should always be something to strive for, but too much excessive change can be just as bad as having too little change. I believe Halo 5 is 343 trying to find that balance, but Halo 4 was an awful start to 343’s development of the Halo games, and they deserve every ounce of criticism they got for that game. People have a good reason to be skeptical of their next attempt at the Halo franchise.
Honestly, you’re just regurgitating the same “evolve” argument many others have already made over and over again.
Halo 4 died off really quick because of a plethora of issues. It really was their sophomore effort. Halo 5 will probably have a steadier population after launch, but dont expect it hit Halo 3/4 sales off the bat since the One still has a lower install base than the 360 at the point of launch for either games.
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> Basically sums it up. Halo 4 tried to “evolve” the series and ended up being the quickest Halo game to die with only a few thousand playing after one month. While previous Halo games thrived for many months, even years. Innovation should always be something to strive for, but too much excessive change can be just as bad as having too little change. I believe Halo 5 is 343 trying to find that balance, but Halo 4 was an awful start to 343’s development of the Halo games, and they deserve every ounce of criticism they got for that game. People have a good reason to be skeptical of their next attempt at the Halo franchise.
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> Honestly, you’re just regurgitating the same “evolve” argument many others have already made over and over again.
I have to agree with you about how Halo 4 went, it burned out quickly compared to the previous games. It may have been better had the slowly eased into the changes but then again if that where the case we might have those same issues with 4 in 5. But to respond to your part of the “evolve” argument, I have yet to see anyone else make an argument like mine and I use the evolution argument because the arguments that are brought up most of the time are easily explained by the evolution of technology over the years. You can see this throughout all the Halo games.
If it’s good, I’ll play it. That’s always been my philosophy.
I haven’t pre-ordered halo 5
Gonna watch le gameplay to see if I should get it or not
Halo 4 died in just a few months and the MCC was a disaster. Halo 5 hasn’t even released yet, and there are so many things coming post launch, what have they done that has been good at this point in time for Halo? I’ll answer that for you, nothing. Halo 5 I do believe is a step in the right direction from what we’ve seen but they are still releasing the game with so many core aspects missing, forge, btb, one flag, koth, oddball, team doubles, extraction, assault, snipers, social gametypes like infection, grifball, action sack, multi team, and the list goes on. Everything is coming soon because they want to force their gametypes down our throats just like infinity slayer in Halo 4 and not to mention there is not a 4v4 slayer playlist it’s 5v5. Maybe everything will work out but they have a very small window before the population is gone just like Halo 4. 343 deserves all the criticism they have gotten to this point.
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> …but halo 4 did die off after a month
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> 343 is not “killing” halo per se, they just are not doing the name justice and have been unable to re-create the magic of the original games, halo to me now feels like a mish mash of elements borrowed from every other FPS on the market, this isn’t to say that halo 5 is a bad game, but we are on the 5th installment now and this franchise could have been so much more by this point
So youd rather copy n paste like bungie did?
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> Halo 4 died in just a few months and the MCC was a disaster. Halo 5 hasn’t even released yet, and there are so many things coming post launch, what have they done that has been good at this point in time for Halo? I’ll answer that for you, nothing. Halo 5 I do believe is a step in the right direction from what we’ve seen but they are still releasing the game with so many core aspects missing, forge, btb, one flag, koth, oddball, team doubles, extraction, assault, snipers, social gametypes like infection, grifball, action sack, multi team, and the list goes on. Everything is coming soon because they want to force their gametypes down our throats just like infinity slayer in Halo 4 and not to mention there is not a 4v4 slayer playlist it’s 5v5. Maybe everything will work out but they have a very small window before the population is gone just like Halo 4. 343 deserves all the criticism they have gotten to this point.
Halo 4 was good in my opinion, and MCC? well lets just say its the first of its kind and yes it was a disaster but like I said, It was the first game to have 5-6 games in one. Cut it some slack
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> Halo 4 died in just a few months and the MCC was a disaster. Halo 5 hasn’t even released yet, and there are so many things coming post launch, what have they done that has been good at this point in time for Halo? I’ll answer that for you, nothing. Halo 5 I do believe is a step in the right direction from what we’ve seen but they are still releasing the game with so many core aspects missing, forge, btb, one flag, koth, oddball, team doubles, extraction, assault, snipers, social gametypes like infection, grifball, action sack, multi team, and the list goes on. Everything is coming soon because they want to force their gametypes down our throats just like infinity slayer in Halo 4 and not to mention there is not a 4v4 slayer playlist it’s 5v5. Maybe everything will work out but they have a very small window before the population is gone just like Halo 4. 343 deserves all the criticism they have gotten to this point.
While what you’ve said does have some merit I think the idea that they are forcing it down our throats is a little extreme, they want feedback on the the new modes aka Warzone and no one is forcing you. And I’d rather see stuff be given out post launch when it’s ready than come out day one and it’s not.
They just need to get Martin O’Donnell back to compose the soundtracks. That will be a big improvement right there.
What i reall want someone to explain is how other FPS can keep their population while Halo cant, H5 is the most balanced and fair FPS on console, if this doesn´t go, then i am not sure what will…
BTW i may be in the minority here but Halo 5 is by far the most fun FPS that i played, i tried all the other games like Titanfall, Battlefront, Destiny, BLOP3, and they feel so similar with a different paint job, Halo feels so distinct, yet it gets hampered for not staying orignial, thats just the biggest bs i heard in my life, you actually feel like a super soldier, a spartan when playing halo, it feels so heavy and on point, its really well made.
So here hoping the great post launch stuff will keep people coming back, and to a certain poster complaining about it lacking core features, its not, it is getting new features, while they take their time to add other familiar ones later on, and its all FREE, the game is filled with content on launch, and even more post launch, credit where its due.
How many AAA games get that amount of content nowadays, thats not locked behind a paywall?
I for one love 343, there sole purpose is to give us halo games, that’s where their name came from. And I fully support the evolution argument seeing as now the human race has access and the mental capacity to understand covenant and forerunner tech. And as far as the addition of sprint and the like I think is the best thing to happen to halo since the battle rifle. 343 is not killing halo, people are just afraid of change
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> > Halo 4 died in just a few months and the MCC was a disaster. Halo 5 hasn’t even released yet, and there are so many things coming post launch, what have they done that has been good at this point in time for Halo? I’ll answer that for you, nothing. Halo 5 I do believe is a step in the right direction from what we’ve seen but they are still releasing the game with so many core aspects missing, forge, btb, one flag, koth, oddball, team doubles, extraction, assault, snipers, social gametypes like infection, grifball, action sack, multi team, and the list goes on. Everything is coming soon because they want to force their gametypes down our throats just like infinity slayer in Halo 4 and not to mention there is not a 4v4 slayer playlist it’s 5v5. Maybe everything will work out but they have a very small window before the population is gone just like Halo 4. 343 deserves all the criticism they have gotten to this point.
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If you liked Halo 4 that’s fine, the 85% of people who quit playing at six months, which even reach took over a year to get that low and Halo 3 didn’t lose that percentage of players until 4 years after launch, would disagree with Halo 4 being good and I won’t cut them a break in MCC because they made promises they couldn’t keep and it took them almost six months post launch to make the game even playable, it still wasn’t what they promised at launch, and it still to this day doesn’t have the playlists they promised at launch. So once again, at this point in time, 343 have done nothing to warrant any praise.
Halo 4 was an ill timed game. There is a combination of reasons that it didnt do well population wise, but the game was still a success.
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> Halo 4 was an ill timed game. There is a combination of reasons that it didnt do well population wise, but the game was still a success.
then H5 is an ill timed game as well, 2 shooters that carry more brand value coming out in the next couple of weeks.
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> > Halo 4 died in just a few months and the MCC was a disaster. Halo 5 hasn’t even released yet, and there are so many things coming post launch, what have they done that has been good at this point in time for Halo? I’ll answer that for you, nothing. Halo 5 I do believe is a step in the right direction from what we’ve seen but they are still releasing the game with so many core aspects missing, forge, btb, one flag, koth, oddball, team doubles, extraction, assault, snipers, social gametypes like infection, grifball, action sack, multi team, and the list goes on. Everything is coming soon because they want to force their gametypes down our throats just like infinity slayer in Halo 4 and not to mention there is not a 4v4 slayer playlist it’s 5v5. Maybe everything will work out but they have a very small window before the population is gone just like Halo 4. 343 deserves all the criticism they have gotten to this point.
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I agree that they want feedback and that is a good thing but there are going to be many people playing launch week and everyone is going to try the new modes. The problem is if people don’t like the new gametypes and have no option to play the ones missing what’s going on keep them around? If they released the game with all the gametypes available, playlists population will give them their feedback because they will see where the masses spend most of their time. Now I would respect 343 way more if they would just say they are worried about the bugs at launch and that’s why all the things missing are coming post launch than to simply say it will be added post launch. Is that a week after launch or six months after launch? Only time will tell if staggering in everything will work or not but they would get feedback by just watching the playlists populations.
343’s art team killed this game from the looks of it. Maps are horrible. No lines of sight and power positions on the map are so weak. Every 3 steps is a place to hide and it is basically 4 player 1v1.
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> 343’s art team killed this game from the looks of it. Maps are horrible. No lines of sight and power positions on the map are so weak. Every 3 steps is a place to hide and it is basically 4 player 1v1.
Yeah I am worried about the maps as well. Sight lines are very week in this game, which creates having to run with a teammate at all times, which in turns completely changes the games strategy because there is no help from teammates from a distance which has been in every Halo before Halo 4.