For those Defending the Demo

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> Halo doesn’t have sprint, Halo doesn’t have a grappling hook, Halo is dark and gritty and this game comes out in 5 months which is barely enough time to fix anything.

Also all 343 Games had Sprint This could be Seen as a Departure from Bungie.And it has a Grappling hook now so get over it.

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> > I find it so funny how hard people are trying to hate this game. “Forced story” as though you’ve played -Yoink- all of the game. “No blue team” as though that’s an immediate turn off. Pretty much just opinionated ranting.
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> > Legitimate criticism is fine but this is obviously not it. Deflections include such reasoning as “idc”- I feel the same way about this post.
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> As a fan that grew up with blue team . The books and the games. Blue team is pretty damn important . It’s a forced story because it’s ignoring all the lore that goes behind halo. The entire reason chief is even there is because of the help of blue team. He didn’t do it alone. He was never alone. He had blue team at his side . People are quick to forget that the book came out first. Not the game. This is not an opinion . An opinion would be oh I don’t like Promethean designs . Fact is they are removing what makes halo, halo.
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> Go take a look at the summary of the book first strike
> They should’ve taken that story and made it into a game and then keep the base gameplay classic and add in whatever you want for custom games option but no they want a grappling hook front and center.

Halo CE was still in Production when bungie hired Eric Nylund to right the Fall of Reach. The Games always came first. When it come to the original creators(bungie) the books never really matter, only the Games did. That was made apparent with Halo Reach. The Books only really started to matter in that Games when 343 started making them.

Why does it matter if Chief was Help by Blue team? IN Halo CE he was the only Spartan, Halo 2 he was the only spartan, Halo 3 He was the only Spartan. You say you want a Classic halo But then say you want things that were never in Classic halo.

What have Have they removed that makes halo, Halo? The Grunts look Like Grunts, Jackals Look Like Jackals. The Brutes don’t look just like they did in Halo 3 but the Brutes have looked entirely different in literally every Halo. The Halo ring doesn’t look like Halo CE’s Halo but neither did Halo 2’s. It’s a different halo ring, specially one that is clearly very damaged. Before you say they have removed anything remember this is an 8 Minute Game play demo. We have no idea what other things are in the Game.

Honesty I’m personally on the boat of Halo 4/5 being trash (Halo 5 not for gameplay but more so the slew of problems it had with the community and launch).

at this point the “classic” Halo won’t be making a come back. As much as I would love to play Halo like the old days I’m not sure if the modern day gaming community would receive that well. That led to Halo 5 being hybrid of both modern and old. I’m not a fan of this. For me that leaves one other option, a new Halo. All I’m saying is to keep an open mind and don’t hate a game that’s not out yet.

The demo had legitimate concerns I will not deny that. But 4-5 months is plenty of time to polish graphics and animations if the base game is already made.

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> > > I find it so funny how hard people are trying to hate this game. “Forced story” as though you’ve played -Yoink- all of the game. “No blue team” as though that’s an immediate turn off. Pretty much just opinionated ranting.
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> > > Legitimate criticism is fine but this is obviously not it. Deflections include such reasoning as “idc”- I feel the same way about this post.
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> > As a fan that grew up with blue team . The books and the games. Blue team is pretty damn important . It’s a forced story because it’s ignoring all the lore that goes behind halo. The entire reason chief is even there is because of the help of blue team. He didn’t do it alone. He was never alone. He had blue team at his side . People are quick to forget that the book came out first. Not the game. This is not an opinion . An opinion would be oh I don’t like Promethean designs . Fact is they are removing what makes halo, halo.
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> > Go take a look at the summary of the book first strike
> > They should’ve taken that story and made it into a game and then keep the base gameplay classic and add in whatever you want for custom games option but no they want a grappling hook front and center.
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> Halo CE was still in Production when bungie hired Eric Nylund to right the Fall of Reach. The Games always came first. When it come to the original creators(bungie) the books never really matter, only the Games did. That was made apparent with Halo Reach. The Books only really started to matter in that Games when 343 started making them.
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> Why does it matter if Chief was Help by Blue team? IN Halo CE he was the only Spartan, Halo 2 he was the only spartan, Halo 3 He was the only Spartan. You say you want a Classic halo But then say you want things that were never in Classic halo.
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> What have Have they removed that makes halo, Halo? The Grunts look Like Grunts, Jackals Look Like Jackals. The Brutes don’t look just like they did in Halo 3 but the Brutes have looked entirely different in literally every Halo. The Halo ring doesn’t look like Halo CE’s Halo but neither did Halo 2’s. It’s a different halo ring, specially one that is clearly very damaged. Before you say they have removed anything remember this is an 8 Minute Game play demo. We have no idea what other things are in the Game.

Thank you.

I dont see how people can defend the Demo. 343 says its a spiritual Reboot and that the focus is going to be on the sandbox.
However 343 cannot help themselves. From that demo I saw Sprint, clamber, and slide plus grapple hook. I think the hook is fine as a form of Equipment or something,
But the other 3 will make Halo Infinite feel generic like the other shooters that have these same mechanics.

Now when Multiplayer is shown, if these mechanics aren’t in then I will praise 343 I truly will. But with only a few months left and the damage control of “its an old build”
Get ready for 343 to do what they do best. Copy what is popular then act shocked when we say “what is this -Yoink-?”

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> > > I find it so funny how hard people are trying to hate this game. “Forced story” as though you’ve played -Yoink- all of the game. “No blue team” as though that’s an immediate turn off. Pretty much just opinionated ranting.
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> > > Legitimate criticism is fine but this is obviously not it. Deflections include such reasoning as “idc”- I feel the same way about this post.
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> > As a fan that grew up with blue team . The books and the games. Blue team is pretty damn important . It’s a forced story because it’s ignoring all the lore that goes behind halo. The entire reason chief is even there is because of the help of blue team. He didn’t do it alone. He was never alone. He had blue team at his side . People are quick to forget that the book came out first. Not the game. This is not an opinion . An opinion would be oh I don’t like Promethean designs . Fact is they are removing what makes halo, halo.
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> > Go take a look at the summary of the book first strike
> > They should’ve taken that story and made it into a game and then keep the base gameplay classic and add in whatever you want for custom games option but no they want a grappling hook front and center.
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> Halo CE was still in Production when bungie hired Eric Nylund to right the Fall of Reach. The Games always came first. When it come to the original creators(bungie) the books never really matter, only the Games did. That was made apparent with Halo Reach. The Books only really started to matter in that Games when 343 started making them.
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> Why does it matter if Chief was Help by Blue team? IN Halo CE he was the only Spartan, Halo 2 he was the only spartan, Halo 3 He was the only Spartan. You say you want a Classic halo But then say you want things that were never in Classic halo.
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> What have Have they removed that makes halo, Halo? The Grunts look Like Grunts, Jackals Look Like Jackals. The Brutes don’t look just like they did in Halo 3 but the Brutes have looked entirely different in literally every Halo. The Halo ring doesn’t look like Halo CE’s Halo but neither did Halo 2’s. It’s a different halo ring, specially one that is clearly very damaged. Before you say they have removed anything remember this is an 8 Minute Game play demo. We have no idea what other things are in the Game.

My words exactly! Stop criticizing a game that hasn’t been released yet!(also, who said there’d be no blue team?)

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> I dont see how people can defend the Demo. 343 says its a spiritual Reboot and that the focus is going to be on the sandbox.
> However 343 cannot help themselves. From that demo I saw Sprint, clamber, and slide plus grapple hook. I think the hook is fine as a form of Equipment or something,
> But the other 3 will make Halo Infinite feel generic like the other shooters that have these same mechanics.
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> Now when Multiplayer is shown, if these mechanics aren’t in then I will praise 343 I truly will. But with only a few months left and the damage control of “its an old build”
> Get ready for 343 to do what they do best. Copy what is popular then act shocked when we say “what is this -Yoink-?”

Agreed, though some claim that the multiplayer was leaked that it will not include sprint which I would greatly enjoy.

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> Also all 343 Games had Sprint This could be Seen as a Departure from Bungie.And it has a Grappling hook now so get over it.

Dude even bungies games were gonna have sprint in all the games but cut them out yet you can look in the games files to see for sprint. The only bungie that sprint was halo reach but as a armor ability pickup. Don’t Even say 343 was the only one that started using sprint in halo cause that just mean you never played halo reach on 360 days. Back when bungie made there last halo game as they added sprint in it. That was for cherri to read

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> Dude even bungies games were gonna have sprint in all the games but cut them out yet you can look in the games files to see for sprint. The only bungie that sprint was halo reach but as a armor ability pickup. Don’t Even say 343 was the only one that started using sprint in halo cause that just mean you never played halo reach on 360 days. Back when bungie made there last halo game as they added sprint in it. That was for cherri to read

Yeah but only Reach has it now not CE or 3 only Reach so why did you bring This up? Also people got really upset as 343 did Sprint in 4,5 and Infinite. But why? It is there now and we cant change This.

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> > > > Halo doesn’t have sprint, Halo doesn’t have a grappling hook, Halo is dark and gritty and this game comes out in 5 months which is barely enough time to fix anything.
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> > > Also all 343 Games had Sprint This could be Seen as a Departure from Bungie.And it has a Grappling hook now so get over it.
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> > Dude even bungies games were gonna have sprint in all the games but cut them out yet you can look in the games files to see for sprint. The only bungie that sprint was halo reach but as a armor ability pickup. Don’t Even say 343 was the only one that started using sprint in halo cause that just mean you never played halo reach on 360 days. Back when bungie made there last halo game as they added sprint in it. That was for cherri to read
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> Yeah but only Reach has it now not CE or 3 only Reach so why did you bring This up? Also people got really upset as 343 did Sprint in 4,5 and Infinite. But why? It is there now and we cant change This.

Halo reach was the last what Bungie made, is imposible to know if in the case what Bungie won’t leave to create Destiny they would add Sprint or not.

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> I’ll start with the small stuff
> Warthog didn’t have weight to it. Didn’t look like it was actually traveling on dirt. It also looked like a toy
> The banished ship that resembles the covenant one is a weird design. Idc if its owned by the banished and that’s why it looks like that. It just looks bad. Like a cube AKA toy like. Plastic
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> The HUD doesn’t have the helmet feel that the halo 5 campiagn did. Say what you want about halo 5 but the helmet in the story makes you feel like you were in the helmet rather than just looking at a HUD
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> There barely seems to be any textures and whatever does look good looks like plastic anyways. Idc if the demo was from 6 months ago. Or that it isn’t “polished”. This is the first gameplay reveal for a flagship title. A system seller. After 5 years there is no excuse for it to look like this. They should’ve shown what’s to be expected . Not an old demo
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> The grappling hook doesn’t belong in halo. The thrusters were in the books that came out before halo CE. Where did the grappling hooks come from? Again say what you want about halo 5 but HCS SETTINGS is better than this. I now would rather take classic over what we have now. That’s how disappointed I am.
> Hit markers and radar needs to go. Radar for campgain? Fine everything else no. Watch there be aim assist lock on with the grapples. Basically anything that assists you should not be in the game.
> Wheres the grit? This game litterally looks like a pg13 doom eternal. This game used to be M for mature. It used to have a mysterious story and a artstyle that didn’t look plastic.
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> Even the story seems forced. I didn’t like the pilot at all even before the gameplay reveal and the brute at the end just felt like a run of the mill enemy . No depth. No amazing action scenes. Just a man yelling in a ship and then a brute yelling at the end.
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> BLUE TEAM IS GONE. For the first time in halo 5 even tho the story was bad I was hyped for blue team. Could’ve made an epic return but no they had to remove any callbacks to halo 5. I don’t think 343 realizes how important blue team is to the story
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> The new weapons litterally look like they are ripped straight out of call of duty. Idc how good they feel. Idc how many classic weapons come back. Those weapons are not halo
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> There was another thread talking about how sprint doesn’t even exsist. That it’s just an animation. I agree. Same with the grapple. It’s just gimmick animations that make you feel like your doing something. Just watch the way he uses the grapple in the demo. He could’ve just kept shooting the brute and punched him . There was no need for a grapple and better yet it didn’t even take you far
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> Doom eternal is better than is.
> HCS SETTINGS is better than this.
> CLASSIC is better than this

Doom eternal is better than is.
HCS SETTINGS is better than this.
CLASSIC is better than this

100% i agree with you… but i’ll tell u this:

mythic arena settings are (were sadly) THE BEST POSSIBLE

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> I think 343 needs to stop making more halo games at this point.
> They seem to start fresh every time and the games just look unfinished. I would rather being playing a glorified Halo 2 or 3 in unreal engine at this point. I think they need to start with what works and make gradual changes to the physics and graphics as technology progresses…not start from scratch. It’s just a giant waste of time. Halo 2 and Halo 3 are a little outdated. But all they need to do is just update the player animations, graphics, gametypes, etc. as time goes by. They could also add campaign expansions if they want too. MCC is a joke btw they messed it up

whats really funny is I said this on a different post and got my account temporarily banned. Be careful making any criticism against 343 because the mods are gonna flag you for being “rude”

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> I’ll start with the small stuff
> Warthog didn’t have weight to it. Didn’t look like it was actually traveling on dirt. It also looked like a toy
> The banished ship that resembles the covenant one is a weird design. Idc if its owned by the banished and that’s why it looks like that. It just looks bad. Like a cube AKA toy like. Plastic
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> The HUD doesn’t have the helmet feel that the halo 5 campiagn did. Say what you want about halo 5 but the helmet in the story makes you feel like you were in the helmet rather than just looking at a HUD
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> There barely seems to be any textures and whatever does look good looks like plastic anyways. Idc if the demo was from 6 months ago. Or that it isn’t “polished”. This is the first gameplay reveal for a flagship title. A system seller. After 5 years there is no excuse for it to look like this. They should’ve shown what’s to be expected . Not an old demo

Graphics are some of the last additions to a game before debugging.
If you’ve listened to any of the interviews of news you’ll understand the progress that has been made each week. Sharpening up graphics and lighting aren’t anywhere near the start of the 5 year process to make the game.
343i More than likely spent a good 2 years of that time creating the SlipSpace engine.

Take a step back, relax. The game will be fine upon launch. Getting super worked up and angry over a old demo isn’t going to help anyone

Why the hell are you complaining about the motion sensor, which has been in every halo game?

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> > > > > Halo doesn’t have sprint, Halo doesn’t have a grappling hook, Halo is dark and gritty and this game comes out in 5 months which is barely enough time to fix anything.
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> > > Dude even bungies games were gonna have sprint in all the games but cut them out yet you can look in the games files to see for sprint. The only bungie that sprint was halo reach but as a armor ability pickup. Don’t Even say 343 was the only one that started using sprint in halo cause that just mean you never played halo reach on 360 days. Back when bungie made there last halo game as they added sprint in it. That was for cherri to read
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> > Yeah but only Reach has it now not CE or 3 only Reach so why did you bring This up? Also people got really upset as 343 did Sprint in 4,5 and Infinite. But why? It is there now and we cant change This.
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> Halo reach was the last what Bungie made, is imposible to know if in the case what Bungie won’t leave to create Destiny they would add Sprint or not.

In English please

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> I’ll start with the small stuff
> Warthog didn’t have weight to it. Didn’t look like it was actually traveling on dirt. It also looked like a toy
> The banished ship that resembles the covenant one is a weird design. Idc if its owned by the banished and that’s why it looks like that. It just looks bad. Like a cube AKA toy like. Plastic

Halo has looked like plastic since Halo 4 if you ask me. Maybe the UNSC found a way to make their vehicles lighter. The banished ship does look ugly, reminds me of the Lamborghini Egoista concept car.

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> The HUD doesn’t have the helmet feel that the halo 5 campiagn did. Say what you want about halo 5 but the helmet in the story makes you feel like you were in the helmet rather than just looking at a HUD

Yeah but it was a demo, I’m sure things will change.

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> There barely seems to be any textures and whatever does look good looks like plastic anyways. Idc if the demo was from 6 months ago. Or that it isn’t “polished”. This is the first gameplay reveal for a flagship title. A system seller. After 5 years there is no excuse for it to look like this. They should’ve shown what’s to be expected . Not an old demo

Are you assuming 343 started working on Infinite 5 years ago?

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> The grappling hook doesn’t belong in halo. The thrusters were in the books that came out before halo CE. Where did the grappling hooks come from? Again say what you want about halo 5 but HCS SETTINGS is better than this. I now would rather take classic over what we have now. That’s how disappointed I am.
> Hit markers and radar needs to go. Radar for campgain? Fine everything else no. Watch there be aim assist lock on with the grapples. Basically anything that assists you should not be in the game.
> Wheres the grit? This game litterally looks like a pg13 doom eternal. This game used to be M for mature. It used to have a mysterious story and a artstyle that didn’t look plastic.

What was wrong with the HCS settings? As far as I know, HCS removed the other abilities that didn’t belong in Halo. Yeah, I hope the grapple hook is just a campaign thing. If Halo CE was released in 2020 it would be rated T, it takes alot more than blood and violence to make an M rating.

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> Even the story seems forced. I didn’t like the pilot at all even before the gameplay reveal and the brute at the end just felt like a run of the mill enemy . No depth. No amazing action scenes. Just a man yelling in a ship and then a brute yelling at the end.

Yeah but these parts alone are better than the entire Halo 5 campaign.

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> BLUE TEAM IS GONE. For the first time in halo 5 even tho the story was bad I was hyped for blue team. Could’ve made an epic return but no they had to remove any callbacks to halo 5. I don’t think 343 realizes how important blue team is to the story

Halo 5 had too many characters to care about. Just because blue team didn’t appear in a 9 minute demo taken out of the middle of the game doesn’t mean that they are completely absent.

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> The new weapons litterally look like they are ripped straight out of call of duty. Idc how good they feel. Idc how many classic weapons come back. Those weapons are not halo

I don’t know why everyone thinks Halo looks to Call of Duty, these weapons seem more like something from Apex.

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> There was another thread talking about how sprint doesn’t even exsist. That it’s just an animation. I agree. Same with the grapple. It’s just gimmick animations that make you feel like your doing something. Just watch the way he uses the grapple in the demo. He could’ve just kept shooting the brute and punched him . There was no need for a grapple and better yet it didn’t even take you far

I guess its up to us, the players, to find a way to make grapple make sense.

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> Doom eternal is better than is.
> HCS SETTINGS is better than this.
> CLASSIC is better than this

This is your opinion. You make it sounds like HCS settings and classic Halo were bad, but they weren’t. Keep making content, I love your montages.

Halo Infinite looks awesome. Can’t wait to explore the ring and such

I much prefer this kind of style for halo! This is how it should look!

People are defending 343 because of bias. 343 said they’d take halo back to its roots, and then in the first game play footage they put a pistol from present day instead of the magnum. Their art sty choices halve al a as looked elementary and unrealistic because the don’t show any aare and tear on anything.

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> I much prefer this kind of style for halo! This is how it should look!
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> https://youtu.be/Yf9sGofTTRc

The video title name made me cringe.

AR design is interesting. It makes me think of a hybrid of older AR and rail gun designs. The ammo clip indicator looks pretty neat.