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> > I’ve never liked Halo 4’s AR. Thanks to the precision starts on EVERY map, the range most encounters occurred in always felt too long distance to effectively use an AR. It felt like running out into a gun fight with a knife; all you were was a free kill for someone. In Halo 3, the player’s individual movement speed was slower, kill times much longer and the distances relatively shorter. These things, coupled with the BR getting “nerfed” by having actual projectiles versus being hitscan made it easy for the AR users to close in on players and decimate them.
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Yeah, I’ve been on top of every Halo release so far and like to pay attention to how people do with weapons that some cry are “OP” or guns that are just impossible to use effectively. For a while at launch, using AR and going for the Melee lunge proved to be lucratively effective at killing almost anything you saw. Now, some of this had to do with the Melee system implemented, which rewarded the player who had the most health left. One thing that helped stem that approach off was a reworking of the Melee system into what we see today; The player with significantly more health than the other wins the Melee face-off. If both players have similar health, but are still within the threshold of dying from a direct melee, then both parties will be killed.
This fix was implemented because the Melee system, implemented because of Halo 2’s infamous Host melee, had a massive flaw; the system actually favored the player who melee’d last. Scenario: Player A and Player B see each other, begin firing AR’s. Player A sees opportunity and goes in for the Melee. Player B fires a pinch longer, doing more damage to Player A than Player A did to B. He then proceeds to go for the melee. Now, even though Player A melee’d first, his overall health is lower than Player B’s now. So, Player B takes the kill. Even in split screen matches, where latency doesn’t factor in as much, an AR engagement would still play out this way. It would be a bit more of a photo finish on who did what first, but it still did. (There’s a video rundown of it on youtube somewhere… not sure where though.) So, it was fixed to what we see today.
Mind you, they’ve gotten lenient with latency and thus a lot more simul-deaths occur in recent Halo’s than in Halo 3.
The AR is fine, ive tasken out AR users plent times with DMR’s/BR at close, mid and long range. The game has a skill gap.
My most used weapon atm is the pistol, which ive also won many pistol vs AR battles with.
alot of people are forgetting that, alot of people they may be killing long range have probably just come from sprinting, with low shields due to no recharginf while in sprint, therefor, killing them quickly
The Assault Rifle is a niche weapon, like all weapons in Halo should be. Although I do not have an XBOX right now (when guardians comes out I’m so pre-ordering!!!), the footage I’m seeing shows that AR dominates the mid-range weapons (BR, DMR) at close range, and that makes me happy. It should be that way. The SMG and AR are the close range weapons, with AR having slower fire but greater accuracy. The BR and the DMR should dominate at mid range, and should be okay/ineffective at sniper and accuracy ranges.
So far, this beta is suggesting that this is the case. It makes me especially happy that the strategy of having weapons for each situation, as well as having a good weapon balance, seems to exist in this game. It also makes me happy that the “pro-team/Halo 2 emulation squad” is not having too much of an effect on the balance, as they would simply want a repeat of Halo 2… Power Weapons >BR > everything. That makes for stale, unbalanced and uninteresting gameplay.
Although balance tweaks are most certainly needed, the overall balance is excellent, and I’m really sad I cannot play it right now. Come 2015, I’m buying it!
I’ll be angry if they nerf anything before the rest of us gets to try it. This is primarily a technical test and I doubt they’ll make any gameplay changes until the full beta
At the moment and especially with the netcode as is, the fullautos are a bit too forgiving up to medium range while in fullauto. Where the M6 has been variable in feeling, the AR has just consistently shredded in fullauto, within a mag, at 15-20m. Yes a good grenade and headshot can easily down an open AR user in that time, even a covered one, but I find that using the AR doesn’t really ask me to use the same finesse as the Reach or H4 variants. It’s nice I have the H4-like damage but it feels a bit like the SAW with Famine on.
Definitely down for feeling empowered but with netcode being what it is, the AR is feeling a bit too useful. And I have barely used or had its smart-linked range used against me (AR vs AR smart-link fights are hard to maintain
The DMR and SMG are also very consistent but they don’t feel like the cross ranges like the AR does.
The M6 at times seems to be on par or better than an AR in the short ranges but it does indeed loose out at range where the AR doesn’t seem to have as much penalty for using. You use it at first and see if you’re shooting explosive or rubber rounds.
The BR is inconsistent like the M6 but it either seems to fit in or be underpowered, so netcode and 3-bullet shot mechanics on this one.
And of course, this is all based on the Beta to the Beta. An inconsistent and nearly unmeasurable sandbox so it’s all on feeling.
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Yes, and there’s a portion in another one of my replies that explains why I feel that way.
Now, I’m comparing these weapons to the sandbox available at the time. AR versus AR? 4’s is probably leagues better. But in Halo 4’s sandbox, I don’t remotely see a reason to use the AR. Visa Versa in Halo 3, where the BR was hilariously nerfed (Bullet spread and projectile) and the shotgun was broken enough to not always score a one hit kill in close range (A problem that still exists in the MCC version.). The AR could find ways to work against weapons that should have beaten it in their respective ranges.
Also note that I put “imo” in parenthesis because it is my opinion. I’m not claiming my opinion is fact. If you could work the Halo 4 AR to your liking and think 3’s is vastly inferior, then you’re not wrong. I’m going off of my experience.
AR users can not stand up against a skilled BR user. ARs are for people when you push for more powerful weapons (Like the BR and the sniper). Sticking with the AR as you primary weapon throughout the entire match is stupid.
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> I think it should be nerfed a little when your winning fight against BRs while being almost on the other side of the Map. We might end up talk about the Halo 5 AR the way we talk about the Halo CE Magnum.
Nothing is wrong with the CE magnum and anybody who says otherwise was obviously not good at CE at all.
Sorry, but the AR is overpowered in terms of its range.
If I can stand on where the sword is on the Midship remake and then shoot someone at the very back wall of a base with the AR and not miss a shot when I am just holding down the trigger, then something is wrong. The AR should NOT have that kind of range.
You should be punished for wanting to spam your AR from anything further than short range. I’m convinced making the AR this powerful is to cater to the audience of people who don’t know how to aim, pull the trigger, and then pull it again.
The AR is definitely a lot better. The BR and DMR always beat it if you’re skilled. A slight nerf would be fine, but I do like that everybody in the team can contribute even if they don’t have a BR or DMR.
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> It’s actually fun to use now! The BR and DMR people are just butthurt that now they have to actually be skilled to pull off quick kills.
I am a player who exclusively uses BR since Halo 2, and I agree completely with you. The AR seems wonderful.
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> AR users can not stand up against a skilled BR user. ARs are for people when you push for more powerful weapons (Like the BR and the sniper). Sticking with the AR as you primary weapon throughout the entire match is stupid.
