First off, lemme give my perspective as a devout Halo 2 player, then a level 50 in halo 3. I’ve put in the time so please respect my words and if you disagree, give some evidence to why…
Now, any fool who was alive before 1990 remembers halo 2. Which im sure, caused the break up of relationships for some, and for others like me, the loss of countless hours of proper education and extra curricular activities. But thats the price of addiction folks, my freshman year in college was epic and gaming had a lot to do with it. Let me add. I DID NOT OWN ANY GAMING SYSTEM AND NEVER WOULD HAVE if not for Halo 2’s release.
THE REASON WHY HALO 2 WAS THE ISH!! MATCHMAKING (SIMPLE AND PLAIN)
There was just something alluring about going in with a few friends whom you knew were proven team players and good at it. Dare I say it? RANKED OBJ/BIG TEAM BATTLE cries. I really dont know what crackpot came up with the concepts that changed matchmaking from a haven for competitive gamers into a dense mess of noobs and scrubs playing a billion games because they have nothing better to do.
The way I see it, there are two types of gamers… The ones that pick up every fps game that comes out, play thru the campaign a couple times then try out the multiplayer for a few months until the next big hit drops. These guys are the lemmings. True they are where the money is at, but it doesn’t take a lot to satisfy these guys. Put together a decent campaign with a -Yoink!- plot, plenty of achievements and easter eggs and they’re locked in. 60$ bucks a year COD style if you want to, they’ll do it, its proven… Then there are the competitors, like me… Those who may have played sports as a kid or something, they have that competitive fire. They play to win and dont mind losing, as its extra motivation to keep on playing, to keep on winning… They’re also annoyed by the chaotic sight of scrubbs on the battlefield.
Bungie, your biggest mistake villifying the skilled players who were loyal for the sake of lemmings who follow skilled players from game to game. My advice to 343i… Pretend the skilled players are IOWA to the republican primary. Extend to them the respect due, as a minority with major influence. You will be rewarded with a good rep and better replay value
Wow, I feel like some one really hates those of us who like to play more than just Halo.
So basiclly what you’re saying is people like me, who play Halo campaign, then play MP until I get bored, or pissed off, then picks up another titles because I like the story, or because I have another game in that series and I like the game play, or because I can do stuff that I can’t in Halo, should go to hell, or stick with one game…
Dude, I didn’t start with Halo, yes, I started with StarCraft, I stayed with it until: #1 I got bored. #2 Computer couldn’t run it. #3 found Halo. I played Halo for YEARS, but I play other game’s campaigns, then put them down for a little bit until I feel like playing them again, but I all ways come back to Halo’s MP. I’ve read all of the novels, but the latest, which I will get, I follow most of the lore, I’ve owned all of the games, but I there are other games that I play because they are either RTS games, or games that better support for mods.
I played other games waaaaayyy before I even got started on playing Halo alot more often. Hell, I play Halo all the time, and fyi, I was born on 1991 BC
I don’t mind either way. I’ve been playing since Halo CE, and ranks simply aren’t as big of an issue in my book. I was a 45 in H2, and like you, put way too much time into that game. I still have some of my fondest memories play H2 with a consistent group of friends.
That being said, while I did enjoy the 1-50 system, I also didn’t mind not having it either. You can ask 343i to not cater to casual gamers, but that simply isn’t realistic anymore. They HAVE to cater to casual gamers. If they gameplay doesn’t lure them in for extended periods of time, there’s always the possibility of them losing publishing money from Microsoft. It’s a sad truth that the hardcore gamer just has to face some day. I tend to play some games casually and Halo a bit more seriously. I can see where you’re coming from, but I think you should just try to accept the change.
It’s possible that you might get what you want out of H4, but more than likely, as trends would suggest, H4 will have many elements that cater specifically to casuals. Just try to go with the flow. You can still be a skilled hardcore gamer among the lighter gamers.
I’m just saying that catering specifically to people who arent in it for the long haul is bad judgement. I sold reach within a year of purchase bc it didn’t satisfy my competitive nature. I just dont know how it hurts gameplay to allow better players various gametypes, beside just TS. I’m on the record for saying I’d pay for map packs and armor permutations (sp*). But they didnt even give me the chance.
> First off, lemme give my perspective as a devout Halo 2 player, then a level 50 in halo 3. I’ve put in the time so please respect my words and if you disagree, give some evidence to why…
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> Now, any fool who was alive before 1990 remembers halo 2. Which im sure, caused the break up of relationships for some, and for others like me, the loss of countless hours of proper education and extra curricular activities. But thats the price of addiction folks, my freshman year in college was epic and gaming had a lot to do with it. Let me add. I DID NOT OWN ANY GAMING SYSTEM AND NEVER WOULD HAVE if not for Halo 2’s release.
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> THE REASON WHY HALO 2 WAS THE ISH!! MATCHMAKING (SIMPLE AND PLAIN)
> There was just something alluring about going in with a few friends whom you knew were proven team players and good at it. Dare I say it? RANKED OBJ/BIG TEAM BATTLE cries. I really dont know what crackpot came up with the concepts that changed matchmaking from a haven for competitive gamers into a dense mess of noobs and scrubs playing a billion games because they have nothing better to do.
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> The way I see it, there are two types of gamers… The ones that pick up every fps game that comes out, play thru the campaign a couple times then try out the multiplayer for a few months until the next big hit drops. These guys are the lemmings. True they are where the money is at, but it doesn’t take a lot to satisfy these guys. Put together a decent campaign with a -Yoink!- plot, plenty of achievements and easter eggs and they’re locked in. 60$ bucks a year COD style if you want to, they’ll do it, its proven… Then there are the competitors, like me… Those who may have played sports as a kid or something, they have that competitive fire. They play to win and dont mind losing, as its extra motivation to keep on playing, to keep on winning… They’re also annoyed by the chaotic sight of scrubbs on the battlefield.
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> Bungie, your biggest mistake villifying the skilled players who were loyal for the sake of lemmings who follow skilled players from game to game. My advice to 343i… Pretend the skilled players are IOWA to the republican primary. Extend to them the respect due, as a minority with major influence. You will be rewarded with a good rep and better replay value
Once upon a time I was one of those casual gamers.
So you’re suggesting that Bungie just stick it to their playerbase because they aren’t long term enough? Because they are idiots who are distracted by shiney things?
Sounds like a sound business plan no matter the situation.
See, I’m a gaming enthusiast first, and a Halo fan a very distant second. To call me a lemming simply because I enjoy the entire industry instead of slavishly and sheepishly sucking off the Halo developer is the most asinine thing anybody could possibly say.
You’re an unlisted type of gamer. The type of gamer who sees something pretty in campaign or multiplayer and stubbornly refuses to play anything else. The kind of person who is damaging this industry. Because of people like you we get annual sequels, but suspiciously few original IPs. Publishers and developers will crap out more and more sequels because people like you just aren’t willing to try anything new. I want Mirror’s Edge, Dead Space, Shadow of The Colossus…not just Halo 7, Cod 12, GoW 6. Unfortunately, publishers know stubborn gamers like you exist and will milk you dry for willingly purchasing the same product with minor tweaks and a fresh coat of paint.
> See, I’m a gaming enthusiast first, and a Halo fan a very distant second. To call me a lemming simply because I enjoy the entire industry instead of slavishly and sheepishly sucking off the Halo developer is the most asinine thing anybody could possibly say.
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> You’re an unlisted type of gamer. The type of gamer who sees something pretty in campaign or multiplayer and stubbornly refuses to play anything else. The kind of person who is damaging this industry. Because of people like you we get annual sequels, but suspiciously few original IPs. Publishers and developers will crap out more and more sequels because people like you just aren’t willing to try anything new. I want Mirror’s Edge, Dead Space, Shadow of The Colossus…not just Halo 7, Cod 12, GoW 6. Unfortunately, publishers know stubborn gamers like you exist and will milk you dry for willingly purchasing the same product with minor tweaks and a fresh coat of paint.
quality>quantity
Chess has existed for hundreds of years and is hugely popular since its just a solid game so has checkers, backgammon, and poker, mahjong and many others. Now that games have transferred from the board to the computer doesnt mean this trend will change. Humanity has shown that it just loves certain games and they get continuously sold year after year with 0 change. This has occurred for hundreds of years and it will continue to do so. lol do you even think before you post LOL
> quality>quantity
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> Chess has existed for hundreds of years and is hugely popular since its just a solid game so has checkers, backgammon, and poker, mahjong and many others. Now that games have transferred from the board to the computer doesnt mean this trend will change. Humanity has shown that it just loves certain games and they get continuously sold year after year with 0 change. This has occurred for hundreds of years and it will continue to do so. lol do you even think before you post LOL
Chess isn’t owned by a particular company who’s success or failure, and future titles releases in turn, depends on how many different reskins of the same game it can sell. Look at the backlash that the CoD franchise is getting now.
Yeah this suckling the teet called multiplayer is really a shallow lot. I played Halo since it came out. I bought a xbox just so I could play it. I’ve loved all sequels. It has one of the best multiplayers around. But that does not mean I don’t play other games. I always come back to it because its like comfort food. I remember instances on Halo 3 multiplayer waiting in a game lobby looking at other players stats and they have all this glorious XP and they’ve never touched the campaign. And there is nothing wrong with that but really if all you want is to run and gun with others all the time is like a rabbit hitting a feeder bar for another pellet. And not everybody stays huddled in their moms basement playing multiplayer all day and all night. We have lives. It does not mean we have any less love for the franchise than anyone else and that we ARE in it for the long haul. It just might mean we want a little substance to our gaming.
I don’t care how long you’ve been playing Halo or how goo you are. Your words don’t mean more than anyone else here. I can tell you with the popularity Halo has gained over the past ten years it won’t matter who H4 caters to. There will always be scrubs.
> Yeah this suckling the teet called multiplayer is really a shallow lot. I played Halo since it came out. I bought a xbox just so I could play it. I’ve loved all sequels. It has one of the best multiplayers around. But that does not mean I don’t play other games. I always come back to it because its like comfort food. I remember instances on Halo 3 multiplayer waiting in a game lobby looking at other players stats and they have all this glorious XP and they’ve never touched the campaign. And there is nothing wrong with that but really if all you want is to run and gun with others all the time is like a rabbit hitting a feeder bar for another pellet. And not everybody stays huddled in their moms basement playing multiplayer all day and all night. We have lives. It does not mean we have any less love for the franchise than anyone else and that we ARE in it for the long haul. It just might mean we want a little substance to our gaming.
Though the OP may have been a bit pushy with his want for a competitive game, he is correct in that it needs to aim to cater to competitive gamers.
The more competitive a game is (high skill ceiling), the easier it is to make to cater for casuals.
Halo is a very customisable game, new playlists, double-exp, different gameplay etc. in matchmaking, so by making a highly competitive game to start with, it is easy to lower the skill level required to cater for casuals. After all, it’s far easier to lower the skill level for casual play than to increase it for competitive play.
In short, by making a highly competitive game to begin with, along with large customisable options, the game can easily cater for all.
I call BS on that, your opening post screamed “I HATE NONE HARD CORE MP GAMERS”
Now, most time I can get along with people like you, in the since of hard core MP gamers, but it’s when you guys get on your high horse, and start flapping your gums about how causal gamers should go die, and 343i should forget about campaign and focus on the MP side of Halo because in your minds that’s the roots of Halo, which is a load of BS.
> > No offense friend we’re all gamers. I luv ya
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> I call BS on that, your opening post screamed “I HATE NONE HARD CORE MP GAMERS”
> Now, most time I can get along with people like you, in the since of hard core MP gamers, but it’s when you guys get on your high horse, and start flapping your gums about how causal gamers should go die, and 343i should forget about campaign and focus on the MP side of Halo because in your minds that’s the roots of Halo, which is a load of BS.
Most important part about the post was bold for a reason - Match making, ranked matchmaking. They seriously fudged it up, you can’t deny it. And it doesn’t really put me on “high horse” bc I’d rather expect well balanced teams. It’s not selfish for wanting every game to be a good match. I dont hate the four kids playing on the same TV, i just think it makes the game un even.
As for me… Been a member of gamefly since 09’, I play loads of different games. I just want my old halo 2 matchmaking back, is that so bad?
> Now, any fool who was alive before 1990 remembers halo 2. Which im sure, caused the break up of relationships for some, and for others like me, the loss of countless hours of proper education and extra curricular activities. But thats the price of addiction folks, my freshman year in college was epic and gaming had a lot to do with it. Let me add. I DID NOT OWN ANY GAMING SYSTEM AND NEVER WOULD HAVE if not for Halo 2’s release.
> > See, I’m a gaming enthusiast first, and a Halo fan a very distant second. To call me a lemming simply because I enjoy the entire industry instead of slavishly and sheepishly sucking off the Halo developer is the most asinine thing anybody could possibly say.
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> > You’re an unlisted type of gamer. The type of gamer who sees something pretty in campaign or multiplayer and stubbornly refuses to play anything else. The kind of person who is damaging this industry. Because of people like you we get annual sequels, but suspiciously few original IPs. Publishers and developers will crap out more and more sequels because people like you just aren’t willing to try anything new. I want Mirror’s Edge, Dead Space, Shadow of The Colossus…not just Halo 7, Cod 12, GoW 6. Unfortunately, publishers know stubborn gamers like you exist and will milk you dry for willingly purchasing the same product with minor tweaks and a fresh coat of paint.
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> quality>quantity
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> Chess has existed for hundreds of years and is hugely popular since its just a solid game so has checkers, backgammon, and poker, mahjong and many others. Now that games have transferred from the board to the computer doesnt mean this trend will change. Humanity has shown that it just loves certain games and they get continuously sold year after year with 0 change. This has occurred for hundreds of years and it will continue to do so. lol do you even think before you post LOL
Fail analogy is fail. Chess has actually undergone massive rule changes since it originally debuted in India in the 6th century. The modern rules for the game we play now came about in 1475.
History is fun!
This simple point is true across history: new games come, new rules come, and those who slavishly obey to the past are abandoned and forgotten.
> As for me… Been a member of gamefly since 09’, I play loads of different games. I just want my old halo 2 matchmaking back, is that so bad?
Is it bad that you want your Halo 2 matchmaking back, no. But, coming on a the forums, posting a thread, and saying there is only two types of gamers, and those of us who play other games, is bad for Halo, isn’t nice.
There are more than just two types of gamers, some play for MP only, some play for achievements, some play for machinima, and some play for fun.
And that’s just the tip of the ice burg.
> First off, lemme give my perspective as a devout Halo 2 player, then a level 50 in halo 3. I’ve put in the time so please respect my words and if you disagree, give some evidence to why…
Saying your rank and such here means nothing to us or anyone else. You have a number next to your name that states what you are in the game. We do not care if you’ve put in the time or not, your opinion is as valid and important as mine and every other user on this site.
No matter how popular or unpopular an opinion is, it doesn’t need an opening saying why you are “qualified” so to speak.
Just saying, you don’t need to write that, people respect your opinion regardless good sir, and if they don’t…they’re probably six.