Flood is Back! Do we need an Explaination?

Games Halo Wars Series
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All this hissing and hating of the new ATN, while not necessarily being here, but on Youtube and what with people like Dishonoured Wolf tearing it apart in ways I never imagined possible for a fun little DLC, it got me thinking on something!
Look, Wolf can be harsh on 343 and it makes me sad, but what he explained and brought back a reason to hate for, to do with the new Awakening the Nightmare DLC was

Flood is back.
High Charity was destroyed in Halo 3, the ring was fired and destroyed all of the flood, and the fact that it is nigh impossible to even concieve the idea of Flood coming back, especially from High Charity.
As much of an addicting little -Yoink- I think he is, he’s got a point!
How could the flood come back, and more importantly, is 343 running out of ideas to “Retcon” a piece of lore in order to bring back an enemy that ‘nobody wants to fight anymore’.

I didn’t think ATN was supposed to be much of a story in the first place, but yet, a fun little journey through the Banished point of view of Fighting an old enemy we haven’t seen in bulk for awhile, and I had a lot of fun, and personally believe that, if they DIDN’T bring back the flood in any way possible, we wouldn’t have this kick -Yoink- DLC now would we!

Do you guys think that bringing back the flood was a terrible decision and that 343 should be ashamed for it,
and if you think so, than what would YOU have the Flood return in, if it couldn’t High Charity?

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> All this hissing and hating of the new ATN, while not necessarily being here, but on Youtube and what with people like Dishonoured Wolf tearing it apart in ways I never imagined possible for a fun little DLC, it got me thinking on something!
> Look, Wolf can be harsh on 343 and it makes me sad, but what he explained and brought back a reason to hate for, to do with the new Awakening the Nightmare DLC was
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> Flood is back.
> High Charity was destroyed in Halo 3, the ring was fired and destroyed all of the flood, and the fact that it is nigh impossible to even concieve the idea of Flood coming back, especially from High Charity.
> As much of an addicting little -Yoink- I think he is, he’s got a point!
> How could the flood come back, and more importantly, is 343 running out of ideas to “Retcon” a piece of lore in order to bring back an enemy that ‘nobody wants to fight anymore’.
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> I didn’t think ATN was supposed to be much of a story in the first place, but yet, a fun little journey through the Banished point of view of Fighting an old enemy we haven’t seen in bulk for awhile, and I had a lot of fun, and personally believe that, if they DIDN’T bring back the flood in any way possible, we wouldn’t have this kick -Yoink- DLC now would we!
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> Do you guys think that bringing back the flood was a terrible decision and that 343 should be ashamed for it,
> and if you think so, than what would YOU have the Flood return in, if it couldn’t High Charity?

The rings have never destroyed the flood. Only the food they eat - aka all sentient beings. Halos have never killed or destroyed flood.

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> The rings have never destroyed the flood. Only the food they eat - aka all sentient beings. Halos have never killed or destroyed flood.

Apparently there is still an argument that High Charity could not have survived the crash though… or the explosion.
Could the Flood still exist, Albeit on a fragment of the ship, already burnt and crushed, landing on the Ark?

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Seeing as they did survive, I would say the overwhelming answer to that is yes they can since they have.

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343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.

Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.

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> 343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
> Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.

I can’t answer that!
You don’t know the answer do you? I’d assume it just floated and got caught in the Ark’s Gravitational Pull.
Also, can I ask, do you know of any of the unanswered inconsistencies of Halo 3, like as an Example? I’d have to go back and play the game again, to truly come up with any theory against or for this High Charity argument, I’d just like to know how you feel about it! You know what I mean?

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Well for one we didn’t get an answer until a 343i writer answered a question about it… in 2014.

Another inconsistency is the Halo rings killing the Flood, even though they don’t (which brings the question on why the plan was to activate it).
Not to mention The Prophet of Truth acting crazy, for some reason.

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To be fair, the halo that fired at the end of Halo 3 was incomplete. To me it is, more or less, believable that it would not kill every spore on the ark. However, I was surprised annoyed that such a large portion of High Charity survived after you “destroyed high charity” Even if portion survived, it should be even more damaged by the halo shaking itself apart.

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> 343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
> Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.

If I remember correctly, didn’t high charity go to the Ark via Slipspace travel? According to Cortana, the forerunner ship truth left in was High Charity’s major power source. But did that mean slipspace travel was possible? With all the knowledge at Gravemind’s disposal and the technology of the covenant at his disposal (and Cortana at the end of Halo 2), I’m sure he got something. The link is there, albeit vague.

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> All this hissing and hating of the new ATN, while not necessarily being here, but on Youtube and what with people like Dishonoured Wolf tearing it apart in ways I never imagined possible for a fun little DLC, it got me thinking on something!
> Look, Wolf can be harsh on 343 and it makes me sad, but what he explained and brought back a reason to hate for, to do with the new Awakening the Nightmare DLC was
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> Flood is back.
> High Charity was destroyed in Halo 3, the ring was fired and destroyed all of the flood, and the fact that it is nigh impossible to even concieve the idea of Flood coming back, especially from High Charity.
> As much of an addicting little -Yoink- I think he is, he’s got a point!
> How could the flood come back, and more importantly, is 343 running out of ideas to “Retcon” a piece of lore in order to bring back an enemy that ‘nobody wants to fight anymore’.
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> I didn’t think ATN was supposed to be much of a story in the first place, but yet, a fun little journey through the Banished point of view of Fighting an old enemy we haven’t seen in bulk for awhile, and I had a lot of fun, and personally believe that, if they DIDN’T bring back the flood in any way possible, we wouldn’t have this kick -Yoink- DLC now would we!
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> Do you guys think that bringing back the flood was a terrible decision and that 343 should be ashamed for it,
> and if you think so, than what would YOU have the Flood return in, if it couldn’t High Charity?

BUT KEEP IN MIND: the rings were not meant to destroy the flood, the rings were meant to destroy the floods food. When High Charity crashed on the Ark, a new food source was discovered, allowing the flood to grow. I personally loved the return of the flood.

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> BUT KEEP IN MIND: the rings were not meant to destroy the flood, the rings were meant to destroy the floods food. When High Charity crashed on the Ark, a new food source was discovered, allowing the flood to grow. I personally loved the return of the flood.

I did too! I can’t help but think that some people have a point, even when they are bashing ATN and those who play it.
I loved the return, and I’m glad others did too!
But I’m still on the edge of a perfect explanation as to how, you know what I mean?

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> > BUT KEEP IN MIND: the rings were not meant to destroy the flood, the rings were meant to destroy the floods food. When High Charity crashed on the Ark, a new food source was discovered, allowing the flood to grow. I personally loved the return of the flood.
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> I did too! I can’t help but think that some people have a point, even when they are bashing ATN and those who play it.
> I loved the return, and I’m glad others did too!
> But I’m still on the edge of a perfect explanation as to how, you know what I mean?

its halo it would be nice for an explanation, but like… explain legit anything from this franchise and ill be satisfied lol its sci fi for a reason

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> 343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
> Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.

Mars portal. I mean, Halo 3 never stated that high charity was completely destroyed. Mere (hours?) after it was sabotaged, the Gravemind already is reforming. That means that enough of it survived for them to be at least in the second-third stage. It should’ve been a lot more screwed up, I mean it did have a bunch of reactors get destroyed, but like I said before- it never outright states every last spore died.

Plus, the tactical pulse from the Halo was a small fraction of the power and HC was protected by a heavy containment shield. Should it have been enough to protect the place? No, not really. But the spores likely would’ve remained. Anyway, Halo doesn’t kill Flood, it kills their food. How long does it take for Flood to starve?

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> > 343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
> > Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> > Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.
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> If I remember correctly, didn’t high charity go to the Ark via Slipspace travel? According to Cortana, the forerunner ship truth left in was High Charity’s major power source. But did that mean slipspace travel was possible? With all the knowledge at Gravemind’s disposal and the technology of the covenant at his disposal (and Cortana at the end of Halo 2), I’m sure he got something. The link is there, albeit vague.

Not to mention the knowledge of the Forerunners AND Precursors would’ve allowed him to make some modifications.

But that isn’t how they got to the Ark. I’ve heard it was via slipspace portal at Mars, similar to the one on Earth.

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> > > Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> > > Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.
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> > If I remember correctly, didn’t high charity go to the Ark via Slipspace travel? According to Cortana, the forerunner ship truth left in was High Charity’s major power source. But did that mean slipspace travel was possible? With all the knowledge at Gravemind’s disposal and the technology of the covenant at his disposal (and Cortana at the end of Halo 2), I’m sure he got something. The link is there, albeit vague.
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> Not to mention the knowledge of the Forerunners AND Precursors would’ve allowed him to make some modifications.
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> But that isn’t how they got to the Ark. I’ve heard it was via slipspace portal at Mars, similar to the one on Earth.

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> > > 343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
> > > Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> > > Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.
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> > If I remember correctly, didn’t high charity go to the Ark via Slipspace travel? According to Cortana, the forerunner ship truth left in was High Charity’s major power source. But did that mean slipspace travel was possible? With all the knowledge at Gravemind’s disposal and the technology of the covenant at his disposal (and Cortana at the end of Halo 2), I’m sure he got something. The link is there, albeit vague.
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> Not to mention the knowledge of the Forerunners AND Precursors would’ve allowed him to make some modifications.
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> But that isn’t how they got to the Ark. I’ve heard it was via slipspace portal at Mars, similar to the one on Earth.

Slipspace yes but not a portal. Just Precursor knowledge and gunning it (after all High Charity crashed as soon as it reach the Ark lol)
But that explanation wasn’t given until 2014.

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I like HiddenXperia’s theory

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Yeah, I don’t give a damn about Dishonoured Wolf or anything he says. Every every time someone tries to argue with him, he responds by insulting them and acts like a child. Halo Canon, HiddenXperia, myself, and others have all be called (it starts with an R) or to go suck 343i’s -Yoink- by him. He’s a Bungie fanboy, whether he refuses to admit it or not.

  • Halo rings never outright killed the Flood. If something had a central nervous system, Halo killed it. While most of the larger Flood forms would develop or contain a central nervous system due to infecting other species, spore and probably a good chunk of Infection forms (assuming they are affected) would still be around. The Flood probably grew their numbers up from the corpses in High Charity and the wildlife on the Ark that survived or were re-seeded after Halo 3’s events. 08 was also incomplete and Sparks even warns Johnson that it needed a few more days until it was ready to fire. - The Ark was never destroyed. Yes, people believe it was destroyed. - High Charity changed locations, design, and other inconsistencies several times throughout Halo 3. It’s crash site being in the Foundry makes no sense given it came out of slipspace over the Citadel, the Shadow of Intent, and the Foundry then proceeded to descend in the opposite direction before crashing, it’s got rugged and jagged surfaces and looks like a mass of Covenant ships crashed in the same spot in some cutscenes, yet in others it has smooth, yet broken, surfaces that reflect the smooth, mushroom shape High Charity once held. - We blew up a backup reactor, with the main reactor being a -Yoink!- Forerunner ship (and several other, smaller power sources existing according to Warfleet.) Backup generators generally exist to supply the minimal power to a system to keep things operational in the necessary capacity until repairs are made. High Charity burning and exploding at the end of Cortana was not the entire city, rather the area. - High Charity was in Hunters in the Dark briefly, meaning AtN is not the first time since Halo 3 that High Charity’s ruins were known yet no one batted an eye at that. - Cortana said “Destroy High Charity” ? Well, Sparks, a super advanced Forerunner AI who’s been around for thousands of years, said that firing 08 early would destroy the Ark, yet at the end of Halo 3 Cortana even outright says it’s only damaged with “Did a number on the Ark.” - The Gravemind is still kicking in the next level even though we “blew up” the ship it crashed in on. If High Charity was really, properly destroyed, then the Gravemind would not have been able to send the dispersal pods to 08. It’d be in a heavily crippled, basically dead, state. Yet, it’s somehow capable of throwing Flood at a ring miles away in the sky. If dispersal pods are to make any sense, then the Gravemind would have to have utilized something within High Charity. And that means that it’d have to survive. - Halo 3’s story was so riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies that it was practically begging for something like this to happen. Bungie allowed this to happen by focusing too much on grand scale hype instead of an actual, good story.Could there have been better ways to bring back the Flood? Yes.
    Does the way they returned in AtN break any form of lore? No, and anyone who tells you otherwise needs to look at the facts. They can not like it, but they can’t deny it.
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> Yeah, I don’t give a damn about Dishonoured Wolf or anything he says. Every every time someone tries to argue with him, he responds by insulting them and acts like a child. Halo Canon, HiddenXperia, myself, and others have all be called (it starts with an R) or to go suck 343i’s -Yoink- by him. He’s a Bungie fanboy, whether he refuses to admit it or not.
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> - Halo rings never outright killed the Flood. If something had a central nervous system, Halo killed it. While most of the larger Flood forms would develop or contain a central nervous system due to infecting other species, spore and probably a good chunk of Infection forms (assuming they are affected) would still be around. The Flood probably grew their numbers up from the corpses in High Charity and the wildlife on the Ark that survived or were re-seeded after Halo 3’s events. 08 was also incomplete and Sparks even warns Johnson that it needed a few more days until it was ready to fire. - The Ark was never destroyed. Yes, people believe it was destroyed. - High Charity changed locations, design, and other inconsistencies several times throughout Halo 3. It’s crash site being in the Foundry makes no sense given it came out of slipspace over the Citadel, the Shadow of Intent, and the Foundry then proceeded to descend in the opposite direction before crashing, it’s got rugged and jagged surfaces and looks like a mass of Covenant ships crashed in the same spot in some cutscenes, yet in others it has smooth, yet broken, surfaces that reflect the smooth, mushroom shape High Charity once held. - We blew up a backup reactor, with the main reactor being a -Yoink!- Forerunner ship (and several other, smaller power sources existing according to Warfleet.) Backup generators generally exist to supply the minimal power to a system to keep things operational in the necessary capacity until repairs are made. High Charity burning and exploding at the end of Cortana was not the entire city, rather the area. - High Charity was in Hunters in the Dark briefly, meaning AtN is not the first time since Halo 3 that High Charity’s ruins were known yet no one batted an eye at that. - Cortana said “Destroy High Charity” ? Well, Sparks, a super advanced Forerunner AI who’s been around for thousands of years, said that firing 08 early would destroy the Ark, yet at the end of Halo 3 Cortana even outright says it’s only damaged with “Did a number on the Ark.” - The Gravemind is still kicking in the next level even though we “blew up” the ship it crashed in on. If High Charity was really, properly destroyed, then the Gravemind would not have been able to send the dispersal pods to 08. It’d be in a heavily crippled, basically dead, state. Yet, it’s somehow capable of throwing Flood at a ring miles away in the sky. If dispersal pods are to make any sense, then the Gravemind would have to have utilized something within High Charity. And that means that it’d have to survive. - Halo 3’s story was so riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies that it was practically begging for something like this to happen. Bungie allowed this to happen by focusing too much on grand scale hype instead of an actual, good story.Could there have been better ways to bring back the Flood? Yes.
> Does the way they returned in AtN break any form of lore? No, and anyone who tells you otherwise needs to look at the facts. They can not like it, but they can’t deny it.

Y-you didn’t like the story?
Oh my god, haven’t heard that in a while, but I won’t question you on it, just curious!

Also, you bring up some good points! I’m not a Halo 3 enthusiast, I sure loved the game, but I never really listened in my play-through.
I don’t know who to believe, but I’d like to believe you, cause this post just wiped away all my gripes on you dude!
Did you pick apart the ATN review he did a couple of days ago? Cause he did end up picking apart that exact quote with Cortana explaining “Destroy high charity”, over and over again.

He sounded pretty convicted, and you do as well! GG!

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> > - Halo rings never outright killed the Flood. If something had a central nervous system, Halo killed it. While most of the larger Flood forms would develop or contain a central nervous system due to infecting other species, spore and probably a good chunk of Infection forms (assuming they are affected) would still be around. The Flood probably grew their numbers up from the corpses in High Charity and the wildlife on the Ark that survived or were re-seeded after Halo 3’s events. 08 was also incomplete and Sparks even warns Johnson that it needed a few more days until it was ready to fire. - The Ark was never destroyed. Yes, people believe it was destroyed. - High Charity changed locations, design, and other inconsistencies several times throughout Halo 3. It’s crash site being in the Foundry makes no sense given it came out of slipspace over the Citadel, the Shadow of Intent, and the Foundry then proceeded to descend in the opposite direction before crashing, it’s got rugged and jagged surfaces and looks like a mass of Covenant ships crashed in the same spot in some cutscenes, yet in others it has smooth, yet broken, surfaces that reflect the smooth, mushroom shape High Charity once held. - We blew up a backup reactor, with the main reactor being a -Yoink!- Forerunner ship (and several other, smaller power sources existing according to Warfleet.) Backup generators generally exist to supply the minimal power to a system to keep things operational in the necessary capacity until repairs are made. High Charity burning and exploding at the end of Cortana was not the entire city, rather the area. - High Charity was in Hunters in the Dark briefly, meaning AtN is not the first time since Halo 3 that High Charity’s ruins were known yet no one batted an eye at that. - Cortana said “Destroy High Charity” ? Well, Sparks, a super advanced Forerunner AI who’s been around for thousands of years, said that firing 08 early would destroy the Ark, yet at the end of Halo 3 Cortana even outright says it’s only damaged with “Did a number on the Ark.” - The Gravemind is still kicking in the next level even though we “blew up” the ship it crashed in on. If High Charity was really, properly destroyed, then the Gravemind would not have been able to send the dispersal pods to 08. It’d be in a heavily crippled, basically dead, state. Yet, it’s somehow capable of throwing Flood at a ring miles away in the sky. If dispersal pods are to make any sense, then the Gravemind would have to have utilized something within High Charity. And that means that it’d have to survive. - Halo 3’s story was so riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies that it was practically begging for something like this to happen. Bungie allowed this to happen by focusing too much on grand scale hype instead of an actual, good story.Could there have been better ways to bring back the Flood? Yes.
> > Does the way they returned in AtN break any form of lore? No, and anyone who tells you otherwise needs to look at the facts. They can not like it, but they can’t deny it.
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> Y-you didn’t like the story?
> Oh my god, haven’t heard that in a while, but I won’t question you on it, just curious!
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> Also, you bring up some good points! I’m not a Halo 3 enthusiast, I sure loved the game, but I never really listened in my play-through.
> I don’t know who to believe, but I’d like to believe you, cause this post just wiped away all my gripes on you dude!
> Did you pick apart the ATN review he did a couple of days ago? Cause he did end up picking apart that exact quote with Cortana explaining “Destroy high charity”, over and over again.
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> He sounded pretty convicted, and you do as well! GG!

Halo Canon, HiddenXperia, and several others, including myself, pointed out all of this, and maybe more, after someone pointed out that Halo Canon basically got called out in his video and he continued to rip on us and call us a bunch of 343i shills, and much worse. All of these points were brought up and he’d somewhat try to create arguments, but half the time he’d just insult us instead of coming up with a logical, valid explanation to counter ours. He didn’t even respond to my point about the dispersal pods and I think I know why, it’s the one thing he can’t create an explanation for. I’ve seen it all the time, you can’t answer something because you know it’s the end of your argument and the other side won, so you just ignore it or change the topic to something else.

Whether we like it or not, the events that lead to Awakening the Nightmare’s campaign make logical sense and do not contradict previous lore at all. Hell, it only adds to the support of the Gravemind’s presence in the final level.

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> 343i writers took advantage of Halo 3’s vagueness and inconsistencies.
> Better question is how High Charity arrived to the Ark at all.
> Let’s see if anyone knows the answer.

If I remember correctly it was something about high charity using a slipspace portal or something from mars