In Halo 3 we see an infected High Charity crash on to Installation 00 (The Ark) but just before impact we see large pieces break off. One of these large pieces blows clean through the Assault Carrier Shadow of Intent before it is able to use it’s primary weapon to destroy the citadel and Truth. We also see a few pieces break through the window of the tower Chief is in. These pieces appear to have flood forms attached to them as they immediately attack the Chief.
My question is does anyone know if Shadow of Intent was at all contaminated by the flood? In addition to Shadow of Intent, the Charon class light frigate Forward Unto Dawn was just waiting parked on Installation 04b until the Chief and Arbiter made it back. Does anyone else think it possible and or highly likely that flood forms tried to stow away on board the Dawn like they tried to do on the Truth and Reconciliation?
If it was, it was sterilized and secured, because its still in operation and striking deep well into the 2559 era. And if any got aboard the Dawn, I doubt any forms survived the passage through the Portal. Chief barely did and he had MJLONIR on. The raw radiation would have boiled them.
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> If it was, it was sterilized and secured, because its still in operation and striking deep well into the 2559 era. And if any got aboard the Dawn, I doubt any forms survived the passage through the Portal. Chief barely did and he had MJLONIR on. The raw radiation would have boiled them.
Perhaps but remember the Arbiter made it too, even survived a crash into the Indian ocean. With how far spread the flood seemed to be across Installation 04b I’d be seriously concerned about a few flood hitchhikers if I was the Arbiter, Cortana, or John.
This is just further evidence on top of everything in the Forerunner Saga that the Flood is letting humanity survive. If the Flood wanted to consume everything, it would have by now.
I always felt like when they originally made the Flood (the writers) they didn’t have a clear picture of the future grand plan (currently accepted canon) and simply designed the Flood for gameplay purposes and built the Lore around that. And as that went, they overpowered the flood and had to find a good and explainable way to beat them, which is where I feel like the Flood being the Precursors will evolved from in explaining why they never beat Humanity in H2-3.
Why did the Shadow of Intendent even got penetrated?
Did they lower their shilds because they felt safe after the extarmination of all covenant ships prior to the Floods arrive?
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> Why did the Shadow of Intendent even got penetrated?
> Did they lower their shilds because they felt safe after the extarmination of all covenant ships prior to the Floods arrive?
I’m inclined to say lazy writing because that is the explanation for a lot of Halo 3, but if I had to give an answer, I’d say it’s because they were about to fire their weapons at the Citadel. An imperfect answer because their weapons weren’t even charging, and iirc they only need to drop a portion of their shields anyway, but that’s all I got.
The real head scratcher is how a piece of High Charity went through the window Chief was looking out of at the angle it approached at. It inexplicably explodes in mid-air and changes course.
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> > Why did the Shadow of Intendent even got penetrated?
> > Did they lower their shilds because they felt safe after the extarmination of all covenant ships prior to the Floods arrive?
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> I’m inclined to say lazy writing because that is the explanation for a lot of Halo 3, but if I had to give an answer, I’d say it’s because they were about to fire their weapons at the Citadel. An imperfect answer because their weapons weren’t even charging, and iirc they only need to drop a portion of their shields anyway, but that’s all I got.
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> The real head scratcher is how a piece of High Charity went through the window Chief was looking out of at the angle it approached at. It inexplicably explodes in mid-air and changes course.
Covenant ships only need to lower sections of their shields to fire,so technically the area that got hit should be shielded even if the main weapon is fired.So,the only logical explanation is poor writting.
We see Shadow of Intent later on Earth, after the memorial service. Shipmaster and Arbiter use it to leave Earth and head back towards Sanghelios.
The piece of High Charity that penetrated the ship went clean through. Chances are, little to no Flood forms were able to hop off onto the ship. Any that did must have been neutralized by the ship’s crew; otherwise, Shipmaster (who we all know takes the Flood super seriously) would have not continued to use the ship.
As for Flood stowaways on the Dawn, I doubt it. The Dawn was hovering and not physically attached to any points on Installation 04b. Besides, if any Flood forms had somehow stowed away, they would have made themselves known after coming back to Earth (any stowed away on the aft section with the Chief wouldn’t have mattered, because that section ended up on Requiem which ultimately ended up in a star). It’s not like the UNSC would have not investigated the remains of the ship, so the fact that no UNSC reported Flood forms on the ship and no Flood outbreak occurred on Earth during the 4 years that Chief was MIA suggests that no Flood forms stowed away.
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> > If it was, it was sterilized and secured, because its still in operation and striking deep well into the 2559 era. And if any got aboard the Dawn, I doubt any forms survived the passage through the Portal. Chief barely did and he had MJLONIR on. The raw radiation would have boiled them.
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> Perhaps but remember the Arbiter made it too, even survived a crash into the Indian ocean. With how far spread the flood seemed to be across Installation 04b I’d be seriously concerned about a few flood hitchhikers if I was the Arbiter, Cortana, or John.
The Arbiter came through the front end, remember, he was on the bridge of the Dawn. Chief was right by the cut.
Though considering how many UNSC forces were there the Dawn’s wreckage was sterilized pretty quickly if I had to guess.
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> > > If it was, it was sterilized and secured, because its still in operation and striking deep well into the 2559 era. And if any got aboard the Dawn, I doubt any forms survived the passage through the Portal. Chief barely did and he had MJLONIR on. The raw radiation would have boiled them.
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> > Perhaps but remember the Arbiter made it too, even survived a crash into the Indian ocean. With how far spread the flood seemed to be across Installation 04b I’d be seriously concerned about a few flood hitchhikers if I was the Arbiter, Cortana, or John.
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> The Arbiter came through the front end, remember, he was on the bridge of the Dawn. Chief was right by the cut.
> Though considering how many UNSC forces were there the Dawn’s wreckage was sterilized pretty quickly if I had to guess.
Yeah, one would hope. Obviously nothing came of it unless 343 is planning to reveal something later but even with a whole bunch of UNSC there to help sterilize things would have still been possible that a flood form slipped into the ocean upon impact. THAT would screw over the entire planet.
if some of the flood did make it onto Dawn ONI would probably have it on sight. they are probably experiment on it.
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> if some of the flood did make it onto Dawn ONI would probably have it on sight. they are probably experiment on it.
I doubt it. Not that they’d want to, but the one time we know they were experimenting with the Flood, they had to nuke the ship to prevent it from escaping after it consumed the crew and most of the test subjects.
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> > if some of the flood did make it onto Dawn ONI would probably have it on sight. they are probably experiment on it.
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> I doubt it. Not that they’d want to, but the one time we know they were experimenting with the Flood, they had to nuke the ship to prevent it from escaping after it consumed the crew and most of the test subjects.
You do have a valid point but it is ONI after all
Cortana did say “Safe is better than close.” So maybe the Flood didn’t reach the FUD in time. Though I wonder how the Flood made it off High Charity. Unless those forces you fight in the last level are from the pieces that broke off of High Charity.
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> > > if some of the flood did make it onto Dawn ONI would probably have it on sight. they are probably experiment on it.
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> > I doubt it. Not that they’d want to, but the one time we know they were experimenting with the Flood, they had to nuke the ship to prevent it from escaping after it consumed the crew and most of the test subjects.
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> You do have a valid point but it is ONI after all
The Office of Naval Intelligence might unethical, but they aren’t stupid. Just saying “because ONI” doesn’t really offer any explanation as to why they’d make the mistake of trying to weaponize the Flood again.
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> Cortana did say “Safe is better than close.” So maybe the Flood didn’t reach the FUD in time. Though I wonder how the Flood made it off High Charity. Unless those forces you fight in the last level are from the pieces that broke off of High Charity.
They got sent in via “Drop pods”.
You can see this when you first fight the Flood in this level.
The other question is how did the Gravemind made it.
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> > > > if some of the flood did make it onto Dawn ONI would probably have it on sight. they are probably experiment on it.
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> > > I doubt it. Not that they’d want to, but the one time we know they were experimenting with the Flood, they had to nuke the ship to prevent it from escaping after it consumed the crew and most of the test subjects.
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> > You do have a valid point but it is ONI after all
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> The Office of Naval Intelligence might unethical, but they aren’t stupid. Just saying “because ONI” doesn’t really offer any explanation as to why they’d make the mistake of trying to weaponize the Flood again.
ONI has already incorporated countermeasures against the flood, including wargames against flood infected spartans and specific gear that destroys the body of the user if infection is detected. After the last fiasco and the recovery of the Bornstellar history, they wouldn’t be so stupid.
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> > > > If it was, it was sterilized and secured, because its still in operation and striking deep well into the 2559 era. And if any got aboard the Dawn, I doubt any forms survived the passage through the Portal. Chief barely did and he had MJLONIR on. The raw radiation would have boiled them.
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> > > Perhaps but remember the Arbiter made it too, even survived a crash into the Indian ocean. With how far spread the flood seemed to be across Installation 04b I’d be seriously concerned about a few flood hitchhikers if I was the Arbiter, Cortana, or John.
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> > The Arbiter came through the front end, remember, he was on the bridge of the Dawn. Chief was right by the cut.
> > Though considering how many UNSC forces were there the Dawn’s wreckage was sterilized pretty quickly if I had to guess.
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> Yeah, one would hope. Obviously nothing came of it unless 343 is planning to reveal something later but even with a whole bunch of UNSC there to help sterilize things would have still been possible that a flood form slipped into the ocean upon impact. THAT would screw over the entire planet.
It would take a lot sooner than 7 ish years for the Flood to show up if that was the case, especially if it made it into the ocean.