Because all you can play are arcade gametypes? there’s no need to have marines when your running around with unlimted fuel rod ammo.
bring back limited firefight.
I thought that this would be about the fact that they all get slaughtered by grunts and jackals in the first wave.
I was expecting it to be firefight limited so that it would match “classic” game play. But nooooo, 343 just wants us to mindlessly bring up score with 2x health and fuel rod cannons. The level is only fun when you’re in a warthog now. Lost Platoon was the best.
What sucks is that firefight is a SURVIVAL MODE, infinite rocket spawns and infinite lives isn’t survival, it is some stupid target practice.
> I thought that this would be about the fact that they all get slaughtered by grunts and jackals in the first wave.
This, the ODSTs on the base need to be put on a respawn timer. As it stands now, they can’t survive a single wave of grunts on Heroic. And then they’re gone for good.
Again, we need an Optimatch forum.
ODST’s main problem is 1.) they can’t kill anything 2.) don’t respawn for ages.
I wouldn’t mind both things if at LEAST they’d hop straight in my hog turret and shoot stuff for me while i gleefully drive around. Instead they spawn on top of the middle structure and they never really bother going down so my hog honking is wasted.
So please please, if you wanna fix ODST just make 1 spawn near the hog at every round!
they aren’t pointless, they are for custom games, the real way to play firefight, well, they can be annoying sometimes, like when my first death is because one of them chucked a grenade at the enemy i was meleeing
Then don’t play matchmaking. Firefight is just as fun (if not more so) playing custom games by yourself or with friends using game setups that you are comfortable with. 
I don’t are about the Marines. I only care about the chaingun Warthog. It’s so much better than that crap rocket hog.
True facts are true.
Without the Limited variant, just about everything special about Installation 04 is negated.
Remove Co-op campaign, bring back Limited.
> True facts are true.
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> Without the Limited variant, just about everything special about Installation 04 is negated.
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> Remove Co-op campaign, bring back Limited.
Or we could keep Co-Op Campaign since it isn’t bothering anyone and add back limited with some better settings.
> I thought that this would be about the fact that they all get slaughtered by grunts and jackals in the first wave.
> > True facts are true.
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> > Without the Limited variant, just about everything special about Installation 04 is negated.
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> > Remove Co-op campaign, bring back Limited.
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> Or we could keep Co-Op Campaign since it isn’t bothering anyone and add back limited with some better settings.
Or we could remove Co-Op Campaign, since it has low pop and since nearly every player in there ragequits the instant they don’t get the exact map and difficulty they want. I’d be surprised if any of them actually played more than one game a day, what with all the time they spend ditching other players in the lobby or at the start of missions.
I agree, though, that Limited needs work. Too many damage sponges. Some outstanding members of the community have created some wonderful survival gametypes that are challenging because of AI intelligence and aggression rather than because you keep having to kill tanks. Community-made survival Firefight would be a wonderful replacement for Co-Op Campaign.