It seems an increasing number of players find frustration with many of the cosmetics in Halo Infinite while others are equipping every wacky piece to their heart’s content, and want more. 343 has made a compromise for this very issue before in the MCC with the armor toggle.
Now, its not as straightforward as that for Infinite. MCC simply disabled new skins and armor that wasn’t present in the base game. But I think it would be very doable for 343 to add a tag to armor pieces to mark as “wacky” and allow a toggle to disable such armors. I trust 343 can determine what would be considered bizzare for the art style and what fit. Everyone wins.
The same would also be nice for weapon customization. I really like Halo’s classic military sci-fi style. When I pick up a BR off the ground, the last thing I want it to be is lime green and hot pink with a dragon for a muzzle that howls when it kills people.
Once again, a toggle would make everyone happy.
Or maybe at very least allow a setting to override picked up weapons with your own customization.
Us boring sticklers for classic art style get cool Halo armor and guns while others are free to customize and add all they want. The system has worked great in MCC, why not implement something similar in Infinite?
Yea idk why this isn’t a day one thing. Idk why 343’s internal teams do not communicate with each other and share their systems. Nothing feels more off than a single “studio” releasing content with varying levels of quality.
There are so many features from MCC people expected to come to Infinite but… nothing. It’s like wow you had this game which was picking up pace over here, and people are loving it, and you choose not to replicate any of it for your game that got millions registered and hundreds and thousands playing day 1? What happened?
A toggle would not make everyone happy. The point of getting those wacky armors is to show them off. And the only joy I get from having the clippy charm is knowing that the jerk that killed me and picked up my gun now has to look at it.
I’d love to be able to turn them off, but whacky/vibrant armors/skins is part of the monetization system (which is clearly a big motivator for 343). Because people pay for them is the exact reason why a toggle will never exist; forcing other players to see them is the sale pitch of the armor/skins. Players being able to turn that off decreases the value of the items, less people buy them, 343 cries.
The reason a toggle works in MCC is because all the skins are earned in game without the player needing to buy them. They buy the game, and that’s it. So a toggle makes sense. That doesn’t apply to Infinite
Dunno if that makes much sense. Hopefully it does aha
Yeah, which is too bad for 343 as if they provided a toggle along with cool, in art style armors in their shop they may also see business from those players who otherwise may just leave.
There could be an option to apply your customisation to weapon pickups, so you don’t have to deal with other players customisation. I’m not sure why this isn’t a thing already.
I think as a compromise solution we should be able to toggle 1-3 items so other players wouldn’t necessarily know what you have chosen. It’s not perfect but means we can deal with the most annoying.
I get why a complicated toggle for individual items and stuff would be complicated, but I’d give my left arm for a Fracture toggle to just turn off non-canon stuff. Replace any non-canon elements with a default Mark VII spartan (which IS a thing as sometimes someone won’t load in right and will just be a gray Mark VII Spartan with the Mark VII helmet and no shoulders), and turn of Armor + Kill Effects. Boom.
I said this in a similar thread but think it bares repeating:
Maybe what we need is a “Silly Slider” for lack of a better term. It will have 3 states:
Only Cannon Armor
nothing silly like cat ears, no fracture armors,
still have armors that may not fit the classic
Halo art style but are considered cannon by
343
second most consistent art direction and by
definition most cannon
Classic Halo Art Style
fractures like Yoroi are okay, no armors like.
EagleStrike or Rakshasa, no armor effects
outside of maybe a flaming helmet, no cat ears
basically anything similar to H3s original MP
armor
most consistent art direction
Anything And Everything
anything 343 wants to make goes
least consistent art style, most freedom
I think there are really 3 camps here and just a simple toggle of cannon or not wouldn’t satisfy all 3. I personally want option 2 that i stated above. Bungie had a pretty cohesive art style even when things were a bit goofy like Hayabusa. 343 ruined that trying to completely change it for no other reason than to just separate themselves from Bungie’s work and Infinite finally being mostly back to that is great but seeing as I’m in camp 2 you can guess the issues i have with some armors.
The “Silly Slider” i am proposing would allow you to choose 1 of the 3 states above for the armor that is visible by you. (And we know 343 most likely won’t ever do any of this because people might not see something they want to buy/might not buy something they can’t force everyone to see. This is just a wish list if 343 is listening and willing to make changes the community might want even if it’s not the best business decision)
Definitely a two way street.
Some people like @KCD0DGER want you to see their customization.
Others like @ComfyRice don’t want to see other’s.
But, I think @The_Cool_Spoon has a decent middle ground, even if not ideal.
But a slider to make it go from: Canon, armor only (no effects), and All would be good.
The problem with the canon only or “no wacky” armor is, where is the line drawn?
We all have seen or heard of 343’s incompetency in some way, how would we know what should pass or not? Would cat ears pass? They are canon because they’re on Mk VII, but also are “silly”. What about War Master and Cambion? I’d argue that they both look stupid and only people under 17 would use them because “ooh skull”. Would they go in the wacky pile or the canon pile?
What if something gets put in the canon filter “wrongly”? Cat ears once again come in, if they get deemed “non canon” would people be upset? What if they get deemed canon? People will definitely be upset.
So my thoughts here are that “non silly” armor that doesn’t necessarily have to be cannon is basically anything that resembles any of the H3 armors or one of the Reach armors excluding a few like the skull helmet (not Emile’s but the final helmet you can unlock). Halo had an art style. 343 scrapped it for no other reason than to be different. That was a horrible idea and luckily 343 realized that and returned to the Halo art style in Infinite, for the most part.
Halo 3 yes had non cannon stuff and even if it was a little silly it kept a pretty cohesive military style even with the most outlandish being Hayabusa. So for option 2 armors like Yoroi fit because it is a derivative of something like Hayabusa but cat ears don’t because its just straight up goofy. The newer armor core that looks like Fallout power armor would also not be allowed in option 2 because it doesn’t follow the classic Halo art style but it does fit into option 1 because its considered cannon.
Option 3 allows for people to see everything if they so please but the only reasons i have seen for not having a slider is spite, selfishness, and narcissism because people who don’t care about the Halo art style just want to enjoy knowing they detract from the experience.
Nothing is truly all inclusive because ideas that oppose each other can not both be included. Adding stuff to Halo that is clearly not Halo makes the game not Halo and some of the new armors just don’t fit the Halo art style. You can not sell people on a series and art style then change it for no reason and expect the original customers to enjoy it. This is why a slider is basically necessary going forward or else we don’t have a consistent art style which is a huge part of immersion in a game.
Don’t forget the vast majority of players who straight up don’t care
The type of armor you just described is in the store most of the time. Hell, there are like 3 “whacky” pieces of armor for every 100 pieces of normal looking one. But whatever, we can pretend that Infinite isn’t full of normal looking armor to cater towards snobby armor obsessed players like the OP.
I wouldn’t say this is true. Maybe they don’t care enough to post it anywhere but everyone i know does not like the new Fallout looking armor nor the cat ears but i am the only one willing to post about it.
What a coincidence, everyone I know does not care & I post for the voiceless. It’s like everyone, including the OP, is making up a vague number of players to pretend that their point is more valid or something. Echo chambers are lit like that.
There is this thing called “is it worth it.” All companies have the stats for what types of features players use. I’m going to assume that the number of MCC players that used this feature was very, very low and 343i wont even look into adding any kind of toggle until 2030 or something. At least at the pace they’re working to add back actual content from MCC like CO-OP, Forge, FF, file-share,
For 1, an echo chamber of Halo fans who want Halo to be Halo is a good thing. If 343 wants to make something that is not Halo they need to just go do so. And 2 its not even an echo chamber because most people on here are definitely the loud minority saying they want to force others to see something they know breaks immersion.
Its the fact that the art style went from decently serious and military theme to goofy way more than was necessary and the goofiness many times doesn’t fit the art style. If you saw the Doom Guy as an armor set would you be okay with that? It seems you don’t care how far they go and thats the problem.
Games nowadays try to hard to appeal to everyone which ends up alienating the customers who made the franchise successful in the fist place. If they don’t care to please Halo fans then they and everyone else shouldn’t be shocked when they leave and poor art direction was definitely a huge factor especially after 4 and 5 drastically altered Halos art style to their detriment.