farming is the same as stat padding

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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the problem is this technique is not new, and there should not be a change in vocabulary just because more people are finishing commendations. farming is nothing but padding stats, which people have been doing way before this infinity armor challenge came out. only after the last update did people decide that this is called farming. i have to say this term doesnt make sense and is useless. would someone like to explain the difference between farming and stat padding?

you can try but i guarantee there is none. all i see is people complaining about people camping their base and “farming” kills. this is camping. this is nothing new in halo. the objective of halo is get the most kills, regardless of the base objectives,strongholds, ctf, etc. people have always used any way possible to achieve this, regardless of motivation…

people say the difference is that these players are trying to finish commendations. do you people not realize the game itself is loaded with commendations (many similar/identical to the spartan company commendations) that people ahve been trying to complete since day 1? the in game commendations and the spartan company ones are no different. but anyone “farming” kills before this last update was just a camper or someone padding their stats. now they are a farmer, even if they have nothing to do with a spartan company.

farming, or the creation of the term, is just another example of people always finding a way to complain. i understand that is waht this forum is for so i appreciate a place to speak our minds. but farming is not real, it is something created by the people in the forums to put another label on something that already existed in halo. labeling it will not stop people, and quite frankly i have not seen any change in warzone whatsoever.

anyone who thinks their game is being ruined by 'farming" is focusing on the wrong thing. if you have a camper at your base trying to kill you as you leave dont let him, get your teammates and kill him. if your stuck in your homebase/core and the enemy team isnt trying to kill your core they are not farming, they are padding their stats same as they did on day one, even of the beta. nothing has changed, but yet this annoying term is all over the forums.

update; i do not believe people are encountering this for the first time. i do not think farming is a new term to video games. it has only been used in halo since this last update and that is my point. i do not think that winning isnt important, in fact it is what everyone is trying to do in any game theyve ever played. in order to win you must kill the enemy or they will kill you. that is the objective of halo, and it is the goal of most players. especially with things like spartan or ai kill boosts. anyone who says they dont want to be top of the team for kills is just lying.

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100% true

They call it farming because it helps for the kill commendations

But whenever I join a skilled group we do this just to have 50+ kills, and I have done this in every game and some people have done this to me.

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I agree to an extent. It really is stat padding, farming isn’t a new term in the gaming world, very old actually. It’s just new to Halo. An example of farming is playing and RTS game, like Warcraft III back in the day that had heros you could level up to make stronger. One would take said heros and some basic units like footsoldiers or something and go off killing all the AI monsters and picking off peoples worker units to make it stronger to use later. What’s going on here is definately more like stat padding, as farming doesn’t have to do with your overall stats in a game necessarily, like stat padding does.

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Farming is not a new term to video games. It didn’t just get made up at the Infinity armoury update.

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Complaining about complainers. This always turns out well.

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I just wonder why stat pad in warzone? WARZONE. It’s pretty rare to get judged on your arena stats, which is what everyone looks at, your arena K/D, but I’ve never ever seen someone judge somebody on warzone, that just doesn’t make any sense. It’s an unbalanced social playlist, why care how many kills you have? Nobody cares. That’s like trying to brag about how many times you’ve sat on a couch in your life…it’s a leisure activity nobody cares about. Too many tryhards out there in warzone.

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> I just wonder why stat pad in warzone? WARZONE. It’s pretty rare to get judged on your arena stats, which is what everyone looks at, your arena K/D, but I’ve never ever seen someone judge somebody on warzone, that just doesn’t make any sense. It’s an unbalanced social playlist, why care how many kills you have? Nobody cares. That’s like trying to brag about how many times you’ve sat on a couch in your life…it’s a leisure activity nobody cares about. Too many tryhards out there in warzone.

Pssh. I brag about my couch sitting skills to everyone I know. No one can touch my couch skills.

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> Farming is not a new term to video games. It didn’t just get made up at the Infinity armoury update.

i didnt claim its a new term to video games. did you misread? i was saying it was only used after the infinity armoury update in halo. i wasnt talking abuot video games in general. im saying its nothing new because kill commendations have been part of halo 5 since day 1. people were using farming as technique from day one, but only after this last update did people use it.

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> Complaining about complainers. This always turns out well.

im not complaining about complainers. you can check my posts i constantly am an advocate for people using this forum to critique and overall to complain about the parts of the game that dont work. this is overall very different. im not complaining that people are “whining” about farming, they have the right to have their opinions. my point is simply that farming has always been part of warzone. it is not new and it is odd that people think its something that all of a sudden started happening.

if you dont believe me check back on forums and find someone talking about farming before this last update. you will see people talking about stat padding, which is exactly the same thing.

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well that is stat padding and then ther is just bad sportsmanship , i played a warzone wher the entire other team outright stormed the opposite armory and then made no efforts to other then spwan killing , essentially taping my team at the core , when ppl stooped coming out of the core they when and capped the other bases but made no effort to destroying the core and just going for kills . acting like this is just unnecessary , go for the win and be done whit it

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> > I just wonder why stat pad in warzone? WARZONE. It’s pretty rare to get judged on your arena stats, which is what everyone looks at, your arena K/D, but I’ve never ever seen someone judge somebody on warzone, that just doesn’t make any sense. It’s an unbalanced social playlist, why care how many kills you have? Nobody cares. That’s like trying to brag about how many times you’ve sat on a couch in your life…it’s a leisure activity nobody cares about. Too many tryhards out there in warzone.
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people want to stat pad in warzone because people like getting a lot of kills. that is the point of halo. to kill spartans

many would rather not destroy the core and instead kill bosses and enemies to finish commendations. not kill commendations for some dumb armor, but the in game commendations that have existed since day one. people would rather get 10 more kills with their beam rifle than go into the core and end the game. this has always been a tactic and is not new to warzone.

im definitely not bragging about kills i get in warzone, and i dont think anyone here is… not sure where this comment came from. i was merely pointing out that farming has only been used since the last update and i find that hilarious

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> well that is stat padding and then ther is just bad sportsmanship , i played a warzone wher the entire other team outright stormed the opposite armory and then made no efforts to other then spwan killing , essentially taping my team at the core , when ppl stooped coming out of the core they when and capped the other bases but made no effort to destroying the core and just going for kills . acting like this is just unnecessary , go for the win and be done whit it

i agree with you. but this is something that has been happening since day one, even since the beta. it is not something that has been created by people farming for commendations. people might do it a little more because more people are trying to get the armor, but i really havnt noticed any difference in warzone. there have always been bad sports and always will be. hasnt anyone ever played CTF where the other team doesnt even try to get the last flag in order to drag out the game? is this farming? or is it stat padding? if you asked anyone in january it would be stat padding, now they would call it farming. doesnt matter what its called, its nothing new and wont be leaving the game anytime soon.

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> > > I just wonder why stat pad in warzone? WARZONE. It’s pretty rare to get judged on your arena stats, which is what everyone looks at, your arena K/D, but I’ve never ever seen someone judge somebody on warzone, that just doesn’t make any sense. It’s an unbalanced social playlist, why care how many kills you have? Nobody cares. That’s like trying to brag about how many times you’ve sat on a couch in your life…it’s a leisure activity nobody cares about. Too many tryhards out there in warzone.
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> people want to stat pad in warzone because people like getting a lot of kills. that is the point of halo. to kill spartans
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> many would rather not destroy the core and instead kill bosses and enemies to finish commendations. not kill commendations for some dumb armor, but the in game commendations that have existed since day one. people would rather get 10 more kills with their beam rifle than go into the core and end the game. this has always been a tactic and is not new to warzone.
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> im definitely not bragging about kills i get in warzone, and i dont think anyone here is… not sure where this comment came from. i was merely pointing out that farming has only been used since the last update and i find that hilarious

False, the point of Halo is to win the game (for me) You are stating your point as if it was a fact. Sure, playing to win games means getting kills, but it also means assists, team shooting, playing the objective (CTF, Oddball, Assault, KOTH, etc.).

I find it hilarious that you are assuming people are saying this is the first time they have ever encountered stat padders or farmers. I see it as, people are encountering this more and more because of the dumb kill accommodations for SCs to achieve for the new armor. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that more people have been bringing this issue up after the release of the armor details. I don’t think anyone is denying the fact this was occurring previously, but it was not as frequent as it is now.

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> > > > I just wonder why stat pad in warzone? WARZONE. It’s pretty rare to get judged on your arena stats, which is what everyone looks at, your arena K/D, but I’ve never ever seen someone judge somebody on warzone, that just doesn’t make any sense. It’s an unbalanced social playlist, why care how many kills you have? Nobody cares. That’s like trying to brag about how many times you’ve sat on a couch in your life…it’s a leisure activity nobody cares about. Too many tryhards out there in warzone.
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> > many would rather not destroy the core and instead kill bosses and enemies to finish commendations. not kill commendations for some dumb armor, but the in game commendations that have existed since day one. people would rather get 10 more kills with their beam rifle than go into the core and end the game. this has always been a tactic and is not new to warzone.
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> False, the point of Halo is to win the game (for me) You are stating your point as if it was a fact. Sure, playing to win games means getting kills, but it also means assists, team shooting, playing the objective (CTF, Oddball, Assault, KOTH, etc.).
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> I find it hilarious that you are assuming people are saying this is the first time they have ever encountered stat padders or farmers. I see it as, people are encountering this more and more because of the dumb kill accommodations for SCs to achieve for the new armor. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that more people have been bringing this issue up after the release of the armor details. I don’t think anyone is denying the fact this was occurring previously, but it was not as frequent as it is now.

dude how do you win a game in halo? by getting less kills than the other team? getting kills is the point of halo. it is how you win a game. but thanks for being a -Yoink- about it

i didnt say people are saying this is the first time they ever encountered stat padders. i didnt say anything anywhere close to that. i said that farming is the same as stat padding and only after this last update did anyone call it by that name. if you can find a forum in halo 5 about farming before the update then i will agree with you. as it stands your just making up things to argue with me.

im also not denying it might be happening to some people more because of this dumb armor commendation thing. thats probably true. i have not encountered it anymore than before personally, and the reasons behind it arent different. people were doing it then, they are gonna keep doing it now. my point isnt to assume people have never seen this before. my point is only these spartan companies have made people claim it is something different now than it was before. it is not.

let me reiterate. halo is about winning. any game is. thats implied, its not like i didnt know that. but in any game there are different ways to win. in halo if the other team kills you more , you will loose . you win by killing more spartans than the enemy team. the point is to kill spartans, doesnt matter if youre assisting your teammate to kill someone or if you are team shooting. those are means to an end. the end is killing your enemy before they kill you in order to win. you can not win without killing spartans. therefore killing spartans is the objective, or the point, of halo. i dont see why you are getting so hung up about this. im guessing you are someone who hates those who thinks K/D is more important than winning a game. i do not believe this, im just stating the fact that people want to get kills in halo. that is their goal. if it is not your goal then youre doing it wrong.

especially in warzone! this is aplace for people to try out guns and vehicles and people are often less worried about winning and more worried about killing whatever is in their way. if i only played halo to win i would hate around half of the matches i play. i play to have fun, really the point isnt to kill spartans or to win but to have fun. killing spartans is how i have fun even when im loosing. the point of the game is to kill spartans. everyone playing a game is trying to win, duh

no need to get angry with me for stating the fact that the point of halo is to kill spartans. i dont see how you can claim it isnt. if youre trying to win then thats your main goal, even if youre capturing the flag. (the rare game where a team out-slays you and you win is usually because the other team isnt trying for the objective and merely are padding their stats)

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> I agree to an extent. It really is stat padding, farming isn’t a new term in the gaming world, very old actually. It’s just new to Halo. An example of farming is playing and RTS game, like Warcraft III back in the day that had heros you could level up to make stronger. One would take said heros and some basic units like footsoldiers or something and go off killing all the AI monsters and picking off peoples worker units to make it stronger to use later. What’s going on here is definately more like stat padding, as farming doesn’t have to do with your overall stats in a game necessarily, like stat padding does.

im glad someone sees my actual point instead of nit-picking what i said in order to make an argument. farming is obviously part of games where you level up your player by farming. this doesnt apply to this situation where you are just getting kills to tally up on a list (commendation) in order to get an armor set that does not make you stronger.

this is simply padding stats. people were doing this constantly in order to get the in game commendations done since day one. its nothing new and does not deserve a new term. but people can argue with me all they want

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In the end it doesn’t matter what word is used to describe it. Farming could or could not be equivalent to stat padding. The end result is always the same. It is simply more prevalent now that it is being tracked on the spartan company level.

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Stat Padding can also be called “Griefing” where you extend a game unnecessarily, like in Halo 2 it was holding the Flag so game wouldn’t end. I agree on the OP overall point, though. But as soon as you put a really cool armor reward, people are going to try and take advantage of the games where they gain the dominating advantages in Warzone. So, saying that it’s nothing new is ignoring that it’s becoming more common now. Even in Destiny, where the term farming makes more sense, you don’t see games being extended in a way that hurts a persons experience.

“Griefing” should not be accepted just because it’s nothing new. It’s like trying to score with seconds left in a Football game when you’re up by 50; it’s not something anybody looks at positively.

I don’t really care that much that it’s in Warzone, though, since it’s so casual and winning doesn’t mean much. Don’t get why it’s becoming a big topic to be honest.