While Achilles plays a large part in the issue of framing in Warzone there is another cause that is even more of an issue and this issue is 100% 343’s fault.
What is that issue? “Social”. “Social” is the issue. What is “social”? Well, it’s fake social. Which is what H5 has. “Social” playlists are not really social. Unlike past Halo games the “Social” in h5 uses quite strict MM.
How does this lead to farming in Warzone you ask? Well, a lot of these roaming warzone death squads would be playing BTB…IF THEY COULD FIND A GAME. 343 has made the matchmaking restrictions so tight in “Social” that teams that win a lot literally cannot find games. Their rank in SOCIAL is too high to find a game. This is ridiculous.
I know what you’re thinking. “Well, if they loosened up the MM in BTB then these teams would just “farm” people in BTB”. Ya, you’re kind of right. But guess what, people did this in H2, H3, Reach H4 and the MCC. But it wasn’t nearly as big a deal as it is in H5 warzone because BTB is infinitely more balanced than Warzone is. An 8 man BTB squad holding the obj and killing is not going to do nearly as much damage as a 12 man warzone squad will farming. In BTB there is only 1 banshee, 1 or two snipers and the spawns are much more protected and spread out.
343 needs to loosen up the restrictions in BTB. This will naturally lessen the amount of Warzone farming.
It wouldn’t do anything to combat farming actually. I’m pretty sure farming is a thing just because of Achilles and possibly a little bit of Warzone high K/D ratio greed as well.
Like, why would they play BTB to farm? That’s a terrible idea, you can’t even spawn-trap people easily.
yea a lot of these hard core farmers, if you check their service record out 99% of their games are warzone. but i agree BTB would not be near as bad since there is a time limit, and you cant call in infinite reqs. but still the hidden ranks dont affect that much ive seen some guys that are on a farmers squad that have mediocre arena stats but in warzone they can dominate. thats just the way it is, its easier in general. me for example i avg 40% accuracy in arena now, but in warzone im in the mid 50% range. its easier to take advantage of ppl with the map so big
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Of cause is a part of the problem, but not only. The players are even a part of this problem. 343 could do a lot of things to end farming. For example just matching teams vs. teams or creating “safe-zones” in warzone, maybe a “I give up”-botton for a team or maybe to destroy the problem for every-halo JUST NOT SHOWING AND RECORDING THE K/D-RATIO-BULLSH!T.
But even if this are the things that were done wrong by 343 (and bungie before that) are the players who do that bad things, are the real problem. But what can I say? Bad People do bad things…
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> It wouldn’t do anything to combat farming actually. I’m pretty sure farming is a thing just because of Achilles and possibly a little bit of Warzone high K/D ratio greed as well.
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> Like, why would they play BTB to farm? That’s a terrible idea, you can’t even spawn-trap people easily.
Most people who make up warzone farming parties are people who played a lot of BTB in past halo games. They play warzone because they literally cannot play BTB.
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> Of cause is a part of the problem, but not only. The players are even a part of this problem. 343 could do a lot of things to end farming. For example just matching teams vs. teams or creating “safe-zones” in warzone, maybe a “I give up”-botton for a team or maybe to destroy the problem for every-halo JUST NOT SHOWING AND RECORDING THE K/D-RATIO-BULLSH!T.
> But even if this are the things that were done wrong by 343 (and bungie before that) are the players who do that bad things, are the real problem. But what can I say? Bad People do bad things…
Teams will then just farm on teams, at best you just minimize it, and then to “safe zones” that then just ruins the game mode as a whole on many levels. Farming will never go away unless 343 stops us from killing each other, it’s not fixable to any degree.
343 did loosen up the skill restrictions for social a few months ago. I don’t know if people are still having problems finding games, but I usually run into the same full parties in BTB quite often and they’re people that would be high up in ranks if it still had visible ones.
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> Like, why would they play BTB to farm? That’s a terrible idea, you can’t even spawn-trap people easily.
You can easily farm/stat pad in BTB if you have a full party. Capture one flag and then just kill people for the rest of the game. On maps like Antifreeze, it’s not hard to spawn camp.
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> While Achilles plays a large part in the issue of framing in Warzone there is another cause that is even more of an issue and this issue is 100% 343’s fault.
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> What is that issue? “Social”. “Social” is the issue. What is “social”? Well, it’s fake social. Which is what H5 has. “Social” playlists are not really social. Unlike past Halo games the “Social” in h5 uses quite strict MM.
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> How does this lead to farming in Warzone you ask? Well, a lot of these roaming warzone death squads would be playing BTB…IF THEY COULD FIND A GAME. 343 has made the matchmaking restrictions so tight in “Social” that teams that win a lot literally cannot find games. Their rank in SOCIAL is too high to find a game. This is ridiculous.
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> I know what you’re thinking. “Well, if they loosened up the MM in BTB then these teams would just “farm” people in BTB”. Ya, you’re kind of right. But guess what, people did this in H2, H3, Reach H4 and the MCC. But it wasn’t nearly as big a deal as it is in H5 warzone because BTB is infinitely more balanced than Warzone is. An 8 man BTB squad holding the obj and killing is not going to do nearly as much damage as a 12 man warzone squad will farming. In BTB there is only 1 banshee, 1 or two snipers and the spawns are much more protected and spread out.
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> 343 needs to loosen up the restrictions in BTB. This will naturally lessen the amount of Warzone farming.
Farming is a part of gaming you can’t remove it.
I can safely say this isn’t why I farm. I don’t even like BTB. The maps are crap and the RP/XP gains are pathetic compared to WZ.
Achilles might be the incentive provided by 343 for farming but at the end of the day it is the players choice to farm or not, people have farmed in social modes in the past Grifball being the notable example in Reach.
If there is a commendation or armour to complete / unlock people will farm for it, that is the unfortunate way it is.
Ill agree with you that it is their fault in the sense they aren’t giving us search options. Solo search would fix that. Im sure someone will just say its due to the population. Not having a solo search hurts the population.
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> 343 did loosen up the skill restrictions for social a few months ago. I don’t know if people are still having problems finding games, but I usually run into the same full parties in BTB quite often and they’re people that would be high up in ranks if it still had visible ones.
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To spawn trapping on btb I agree. I got hijacked on that snow map with a guashog right next to our base on CTF. Lol I kept laughing my -Yoink- of cuz my team (clan buddies) kept asking “where the -Yoink- am I dieing from?”. Me-“so I may have lossed my hog in the corner of our base and well, he’s in the corner of the map shooting you guys spawning out in the open.” Was funny listening to the reactions cuz I’ve never seen anything like that happen where a guy (with my Gaus hog) was right in the middle of our spawn shooting left and right.
I I would agree it is easy to farm/stat pad on btb, but I will say my case proves just one guy can do it if he gets lucky lol.
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> 343 did loosen up the skill restrictions for social a few months ago. I don’t know if people are still having problems finding games, but I usually run into the same full parties in BTB quite often and they’re people that would be high up in ranks if it still had visible ones.
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> > Like, why would they play BTB to farm? That’s a terrible idea, you can’t even spawn-trap people easily.
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The restrictions are still far too tight.
It’s muuuuuch harder to stat pad in BTB than it is in warzone.
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> I can safely say this isn’t why I farm. I don’t even like BTB. The maps are crap and the RP/XP gains are pathetic compared to WZ.
You’re not part of the really stacked warone lobbies though that are made up of ex BTB gods.
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> > Of cause is a part of the problem, but not only. The players are even a part of this problem. 343 could do a lot of things to end farming. For example just matching teams vs. teams or creating “safe-zones” in warzone, maybe a “I give up”-botton for a team or maybe to destroy the problem for every-halo JUST NOT SHOWING AND RECORDING THE K/D-RATIO-BULLSH!T.
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Teams will farm teams? Oh sorry but in every-single-topic about farming I just hear farmers telling “Just find a team” and “so don´t play solo”. And you must admit, it would be much easier for a whole company to break out of a farming run. It would be a solution, maybe the best one. And safe zones would even be a option. And I know, that it would be a bad solution to camp in a safe zone, just to wait until the “war” is over, but it would be an way out of this garbage.
I also know, that there allways was farming, but not like that and not that hard.
I agree that WZ is a lot easier due to the base designs, but I don’t think it’s that much harder if you have a full party of decent players and get the right map for it. I’ve been statted on numerous times in BTB by full parties of above average players. With the social matching, you won’t really get even teams in that scenario just like when it happens in WZ.
If 343i ever came out and said the word “farming,” in any capacity, I think it would be the apocalypse.
How is it 100% 343i’s fault in this if the players are making the choice to farm?
Also, BTB does nothing to affect Warzone farming. It gives the most XP & RP, it as a soft time limit which usually pushes up to ~18 minutes or more, and it allows more and easier commendations.
BTB doesn’t have any of that.
So your solution is to decrease warzone farming by increasing BTB farming?
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> > While Achilles plays a large part in the issue of framing in Warzone there is another cause that is even more of an issue and this issue is 100% 343’s fault.
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> > What is that issue? “Social”. “Social” is the issue. What is “social”? Well, it’s fake social. Which is what H5 has. “Social” playlists are not really social. Unlike past Halo games the “Social” in h5 uses quite strict MM.
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Farming is part of gaming and your right, you can’t remove it, but you can reduce it!
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> I can safely say this isn’t why I farm. I don’t even like BTB. The maps are crap and the RP/XP gains are pathetic compared to WZ.
I don’t farm, nor will I. I find it boring and lame… but this part of your post I agree on 1000% The RP/XP you get in warzone is UNREAL compared to other game modes. I get 6000-10000XP on most matches on Warzone. 4000-7000 RP on most Warzone matches. Where at BTB for example, I]m lucky to get 2000 XP and 1000RP… such a joke!!!