Farmers moved to BTB

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Someone please explain to me… If people arent able to search with a full team in Warzone, then why should people be able to search as a full team of 8 in Big Team Battle?

A lot of the warzone farmers just run as teams of 8 in big team now. And they still basically play the same [ie cap 2 flags then farm till time runs out].

It is very frustrating because i play solo or just with my friend, and we will match full teams of 8 match after match…

All im saying is i want some fairness. Full teams shouldnt be able to ruin my social experience like that.

Match teams against teams… or just dont let them search as a full lobby.

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At least they can’t spawn in 8 phaeton helios’ and camp your spawn with them.

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> At least they can’t spawn in 8 phaeton helios’ and camp your spawn with them.

I mean, it doesnt matter if they cant spawn in 8 phaetons… A team of 8 in btb is basically always going to dominate randoms. If they have both banshees, or both wraiths… its just as awful.

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> > At least they can’t spawn in 8 phaeton helios’ and camp your spawn with them.
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> I mean, it doesnt matter if they cant spawn in 8 phaetons… A team of 8 in btb is basically always going to dominate randoms. If they have both banshees, or both wraiths… its just as awful.

My point is, it is a lot more even in BTB for the randoms than it is in WZ. Nothing stopping your from communicating with your team like they are. That’s literally the only difference. In WZ, they have a Req advantage, in BTB they do not.

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But if people can’t group up then it could push players away. If you’re regularly grouping up then you’re a lot more likely to stick around than a lone wolf.

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Oh great, here we go with BTB. Warzone is too hard there are too many teams, limit it to 6. BTB is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 4. What’s next? Slayer is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 2?

How about instead of complaining you just get a team yourself? I swear people don’t have a clue how large of a hit the Halo population took because of that Warzone fireteam cap. Out of the 100 people that were always online playing halo on my friends list around 5 are left since that fireteam cap. They all said screw Halo because 343 lied to them about what they would be given when they bought Halo 5, playing with 11 friends. Having to have 6 potatoes on your team ruins the experience and it is PROVEN that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. Some of the guys that have 95% winning percentages never get anyone over level 25 as their randoms in Warzone. How is that for fair? It’s -Yoink-.

I’m so tired of all these snowflakes crying because they get stomped by teams. Boo hoo, go play something else.

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I’ve posted it before, but this is an area where the halo community has to decide what they want. Most fps games have small squads for a reason. A group of 8-12 will wreck solo players. Can you imagine bf1 with a 32 member fireteam? I like btb the way it is, but I also acknowledge that it’s not solo player friendly at all. Can’t have it both ways. The larger the team the more it drives away solo players. It’s not anyone’s fault, it’s just the way it is, so we have to decide what we want halo to be. Team based or solo based. It’s hard to have it both ways in the larger modes.

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> Oh great, here we go with BTB. Warzone is too hard there are too many teams, limit it to 6. BTB is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 4. What’s next? Slayer is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 2?
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> How about instead of complaining you just get a team yourself? I swear people don’t have a clue how large of a hit the Halo population took because of that Warzone fireteam cap. Out of the 100 people that were always online playing halo on my friends list around 5 are left since that fireteam cap. They all said screw Halo because 343 lied to them about what they would be given when they bought Halo 5, playing with 11 friends. Having to have 6 potatoes on your team ruins the experience and it is PROVEN that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. Some of the guys that have 95% winning percentages never get anyone over level 25 as their randoms in Warzone. How is that for fair? It’s -Yoink-.
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> I’m so tired of all these snowflakes crying because they get stomped by teams. Boo hoo, go play something else.

Well said! Well said! God forbid anyone uses any coordination and tactics in Halo!!! It’s almost as if people have forgot the gametype is called BIG TEAM battle.

Full team of 8? FARMERS!
Matching Emblems? FARMERS!
We got beat by more than 50 kills? FARMERS!!!

I play BTB daily, with a team. We dont farm, we finish the games as fast as possible. The only two teams that I have met that farm in BTB are <mark>Redacted and</mark> Redacted. Sounds like OP had just a few bad experiences and comes off to the forums to complain.

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> Oh great, here we go with BTB. Warzone is too hard there are too many teams, limit it to 6. BTB is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 4. What’s next? Slayer is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 2?
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> How about instead of complaining you just get a team yourself? I swear people don’t have a clue how large of a hit the Halo population took because of that Warzone fireteam cap. Out of the 100 people that were always online playing halo on my friends list around 5 are left since that fireteam cap. They all said screw Halo because 343 lied to them about what they would be given when they bought Halo 5, playing with 11 friends. Having to have 6 potatoes on your team ruins the experience and it is PROVEN that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. Some of the guys that have 95% winning percentages never get anyone over level 25 as their randoms in Warzone. How is that for fair? It’s -Yoink-.
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> I’m so tired of all these snowflakes crying because they get stomped by teams. Boo hoo, go play something else.

While I agree with you that people shouldn’t be asking for a fireteam reduction in Arena, finding a team is often easier said than done. My Spartan company has almost never joined each other in games, except perhaps for a small circle who know each other; we’re casually culminating Achilles progress over time, despite my asking if anyone wants to team up with me. I’ve also tried three times in the Recruitment section of the forums, and the people I’ve found are almost never online, at least not when I’m online. Or they aren’t playing Halo. And I have my mic in on Halo at least 50% of the time I play, and I’m either met with silence, non-English speakers or -Yoink!- playing music over their mic.

Also, you’re seriously telling me that 95 of your friends quit Halo because of the WZ fireteam limit? And yet the people who get farmed are the snowflakes? lol

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> Oh great, here we go with BTB. Warzone is too hard there are too many teams, limit it to 6. BTB is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 4. What’s next? Slayer is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 2?
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> How about instead of complaining you just get a team yourself? I swear people don’t have a clue how large of a hit the Halo population took because of that Warzone fireteam cap. Out of the 100 people that were always online playing halo on my friends list around 5 are left since that fireteam cap. They all said screw Halo because 343 lied to them about what they would be given when they bought Halo 5, playing with 11 friends. Having to have 6 potatoes on your team ruins the experience and it is PROVEN that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. Some of the guys that have 95% winning percentages never get anyone over level 25 as their randoms in Warzone. How is that for fair? It’s -Yoink-.
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> I’m so tired of all these snowflakes crying because they get stomped by teams. Boo hoo, go play something else.

The only snowflakes I see here are you and your friends if 95% of them quit Halo because of the change to one playlist. 343i didn’t lie about anything. The fireteam cap was put in place almost a year after launch. That’s not lying, that’s realizing that something isn’t right and needed to be fixed. Warlords further proves just how bad twelve man teams were for Warzone because from what I’ve heard and seen, they are always blowout matches where one team kick the other’s -Yoink-.

Finding teams in Halo, or gaming in general, is MUCH harder than people like you lead it on to be. Different schedules, time zones, the lack of headsets, and a ton of other factors make it extremely hard to find players to form a team with. Solo players are the majority, people who group up and play with friends are in the very small minority for gaming.

Halo’s population did not take a huge hit because of the population cap. Farming and Achilles had driven tons of people away from Warzone and Halo 5 in gengeral months before this cap was in place.

It is not proven that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. That’s a -Yoink- claim without anything backing it up in your post.

The six player fireteam cap has done more help than harm to Warzone.

I’m tired of people like you acting your better than others when they have legitimate complaints that ruin their experience for the game. Instead of telling people who disagree with yo to play something else, why don’t you? The Halo community would be better off without you and your snowflakes. I’ll gladly take the ‘snowflakes’ you’re complaining about over yours.

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> 343i didn’t lie about anything.

Are you serious? This game was advertised for months on end as being the 1st game you could play with 11 other friends and when we started quick coring people they changed it to 6. It’s false advertising and a flat out lie. When farming was all the rage 343 had no problem with it because reqs were being used up constantly, but the second we started coring people in 3 minutes oh no they can’t have that.

I used to defend 343 as much as the next guy, but after all the time I’ve put into this game, and just witnessing all the lies and manipulations they have poured over the community I’m not going to do it anymore. As far as proof that you get worse players based on win percentage? It’s called observation after 4,000 games of Warzone and friends with over 10,000 games. I don’t have to prove anything to you.

As far as solo players being the majority and teams being such a minority. If this is true then it shouldn’t matter if we steamroll someone in 3 minutes because if there are so few of us they shouldn’t run into another team for a long time right? We’re a small minority right?

I also find it comical that you’re calling us snowflakes when you’re the one that came on here and started crying about how “it’s just not fair.” All I hear is a child crying and stomping their feet because it’s just not fair. Pretty entertaining in fact. Get mad bro. I love it. lol

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> I play BTB daily, with a team. We dont farm, we finish the games as fast as possible. The only two teams that I have met that farm in BTB are Jink and OTF Snowman. Sounds like OP had just a few bad experiences and comes off to the forums to complain.

Don’t you just love it though in BTB slayer when the entire other team quits except for 1 or 2 players so you have to just sit there for 16 minutes waiting on the game to end? That’s my favorite. lol

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<mark>Any discussion of the 6 man limit for warzone can go in the feedback thraed linked below. Keep on topic.</mark>
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/58b8518e005f432381ab99fbcaf931e0/topics/warzone-warlords-feedback-thread/3553d025-749f-47ab-b365-aacd4da3dce6/posts

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> > Oh great, here we go with BTB. Warzone is too hard there are too many teams, limit it to 6. BTB is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 4. What’s next? Slayer is too hard, there are too many teams, limit it to 2?
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> > How about instead of complaining you just get a team yourself? I swear people don’t have a clue how large of a hit the Halo population took because of that Warzone fireteam cap. Out of the 100 people that were always online playing halo on my friends list around 5 are left since that fireteam cap. They all said screw Halo because 343 lied to them about what they would be given when they bought Halo 5, playing with 11 friends. Having to have 6 potatoes on your team ruins the experience and it is PROVEN that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. Some of the guys that have 95% winning percentages never get anyone over level 25 as their randoms in Warzone. How is that for fair? It’s -Yoink-.
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> > I’m so tired of all these snowflakes crying because they get stomped by teams. Boo hoo, go play something else.
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> The only snowflakes I see here are you and your friends if 95% of them quit Halo because of the change to one playlist. 343i didn’t lie about anything. The fireteam cap was put in place almost a year after launch. That’s not lying, that’s realizing that something isn’t right and needed to be fixed. Warlords further proves just how bad twelve man teams were for Warzone because from what I’ve heard and seen, they are always blowout matches where one team kick the other’s -Yoink-.
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> Finding teams in Halo, or gaming in general, is MUCH harder than people like you lead it on to be. Different schedules, time zones, the lack of headsets, and a ton of other factors make it extremely hard to find players to form a team with. Solo players are the majority, people who group up and play with friends are in the very small minority for gaming.
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> Halo’s population did not take a huge hit because of the population cap. Farming and Achilles had driven tons of people away from Warzone and Halo 5 in gengeral months before this cap was in place.
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> It is not proven that the higher your win percentage in Warzone, the worse players you will get as randoms. That’s a -Yoink- claim without anything backing it up in your post.
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> The six player fireteam cap has done more help than harm to Warzone.
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> I’m tired of people like you acting your better than others when they have legitimate complaints that ruin their experience for the game. Instead of telling people who disagree with yo to play something else, why don’t you? The Halo community would be better off without you and your snowflakes. I’ll gladly take the ‘snowflakes’ you’re complaining about over yours.

What isn’t right is thepeople complainging about versing “teams of 12” when they themselves, are in a “team of 12” and Just not communicating. Many times back before I joined a Spartan company, I encountered full company teams. Instead of whinging, I communicated through voice chat to my team, and those matches were incredibly close. When it gets problematic though, is when as I mentioned above the team spams high level reqs. That’s when complaints are completely fair. But I feel both teams are even in regard to req usage, I see no problem. Just communicate with your own team just like the company team is.

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> What isn’t right is thepeople complainging about versing “teams of 12” when they themselves, are in a “team of 12” and Just not communicating. Many times back before I joined a Spartan company, I encountered full company teams. Instead of whinging, I communicated through voice chat to my team, and those matches were incredibly close. When it gets problematic though, is when as I mentioned above the team spams high level reqs. That’s when complaints are completely fair. But I feel both teams are even in regard to req usage, I see no problem. Just communicate with your own team just like the company team is.

<mark>Keep on topic. Last warning</mark>

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> > What isn’t right is thepeople complainging about versing “teams of 12” when they themselves, are in a “team of 12” and Just not communicating. Many times back before I joined a Spartan company, I encountered full company teams. Instead of whinging, I communicated through voice chat to my team, and those matches were incredibly close. When it gets problematic though, is when as I mentioned above the team spams high level reqs. That’s when complaints are completely fair. But I feel both teams are even in regard to req usage, I see no problem. Just communicate with your own team just like the company team is.
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> Keep on topic. Last warning

I was writing that post before your feedback thread link was posted, all good though.

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> > What isn’t right is thepeople complainging about versing “teams of 12” when they themselves, are in a “team of 12” and Just not communicating. Many times back before I joined a Spartan company, I encountered full company teams. Instead of whinging, I communicated through voice chat to my team, and those matches were incredibly close. When it gets problematic though, is when as I mentioned above the team spams high level reqs. That’s when complaints are completely fair. But I feel both teams are even in regard to req usage, I see no problem. Just communicate with your own team just like the company team is.
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> Keep on topic. Last warning

Or else!

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Me and my buddy pretty much only play btb. Sometimes I have a 3rd friend on that sucks and we rarely ever get farmed. I actually find myself doing better in btb than any other game mode.

As for farming, me and my buddy got both wasps a couple times on maps and slaughter people so it doesn’t take 8 people to be able to kick -Yoink-.

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> > 343i didn’t lie about anything.
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> Are you serious? This game was advertised for months on end as being the 1st game you could play with 11 other friends and when we started quick coring people they changed it to 6. It’s false advertising and a flat out lie. When farming was all the rage 343 had no problem with it because reqs were being used up constantly, but the second we started coring people in 3 minutes oh no they can’t have that.
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> I used to defend 343 as much as the next guy, but after all the time I’ve put into this game, and just witnessing all the lies and manipulations they have poured over the community I’m not going to do it anymore. As far as proof that you get worse players based on win percentage? It’s called observation after 4,000 games of Warzone and friends with over 10,000 games. I don’t have to prove anything to you.
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> As far as solo players being the majority and teams being such a minority. If this is true then it shouldn’t matter if we steamroll someone in 3 minutes because if there are so few of us they shouldn’t run into another team for a long time right? We’re a small minority right?
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> I also find it comical that you’re calling us snowflakes when you’re the one that came on here and started crying about how “it’s just not fair.” All I hear is a child crying and stomping their feet because it’s just not fair. Pretty entertaining in fact. Get mad bro. I love it. lol
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> > I play BTB daily, with a team. We dont farm, we finish the games as fast as possible. The only two teams that I have met that farm in BTB are Jink and OTF Snowman. Sounds like OP had just a few bad experiences and comes off to the forums to complain.
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> Don’t you just love it though in BTB slayer when the entire other team quits except for 1 or 2 players so you have to just sit there for 16 minutes waiting on the game to end? That’s my favorite. lol

The game was advertised for months as the first Halo game you could play online with eleven other friends. I’m not saying that’s false, that’s true. But saying that 343i lied about that when they changed that almost a year after the game’s launch is just false. It’s not lying, it’s not false advertising. Hunt the Truth and it’s Halo 5’s ad campaign for the story was false advertising and lying. You got to play with twelve man fireteams for months then the solo players, the majority, finally got their cries answered and changes were made to please the masses… And guess what? The feature’s not gone. Warlords is a thing. The feature’s still around, it’s just a limited time thing now.

I’m calling you snowflakes because your friends quit Halo due to one playlist being changed. If I’m not having a good time in one area I can go to another part of the game. I still have Infection, Firefight, Action Sack, the customs browser, and other playlists and features to entertain me. I’m not going to quit Halo because something happened to one playlist. I’m not the snowflake here, your friends are.

Insult me all you want. You’re the one who’s wrong here. I’m not mad at all about farmers in BTB, that problem is rare for me and if it does happen, again I can simply find something else within Halo 5 to do. My problem is your attitude towards people who do encounter this problem. Instead of trying to help them or even ignoring the situation all together, you’re acting like an arrogant jerk.

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You can really only blame 343i on this one. They got rid of 12-man for Warzone so where else were the Farmers going to go…

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> You can really only blame 343i on this one. They got rid of 12-man for Warzone so where else were the Farmers going to go…

It’s a rare thing though. The big problem with BTB right now is the BR being the starting weapon instead of the magnum and the amount of air vehicles on certain maps i.e the banshees on Estuary.