Has anybody picked up on differences between the animated series and the book. It has been a long time since I read the book but I think I noticed a few. Like nudity in the cryo tube, this kind of sets up Keys and Halsey having a Miranda later. I don’t remember Fred being part of the original group of friends. The class size looks way to small. She had John call the coin five times, could have swore it was just once, she was testing for luck. This came more across as testing to see if i could see how it fell, which she does mention in the book as being a possibility. Some reason I thought it was a pelican on the mountain mission not what kind of looked like an albatross. I really enjoyed the inclusion of Jorge, hope others are in the series like Osman, Soren, maybe Black or Gray team. What do you guys think?
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> It has been a long time since I read the book but I think I noticed a few. Like nudity in the cryo tube, this kind of sets up Keys and Halsey having a Miranda later.
Eh, nudity in cryotube was simply a thing, it was’t really meant to sigify romance. Cryo-tubes have been shown wearing clothes in every other depiction.
I’m glad the lack of artifical gravity made it in though. FoR primarily used rotating sections for such things, but most of halo just uses artifical gravity.
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> Some reason I thought it was a pelican on the mountain mission not what kind of looked like an albatross.
Both FoR and First Strike used pelicans all the time for dropships, they just simply ignored the fact you aren’t fitting 75 people into the back of a pelican.
Pretty sure the reprints have made them albatross’ or one of the other larger dropship types.
Ah did not read the reprint on fall of reach I don’t think, good call. And the I didn’t take nudity as romance but as vulnerability.
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> I really enjoyed the inclusion of Jorge, hope others are in the series like Osman, Soren, maybe Black or Gray team. What do you guys think?
Connections like that are what i was looking forward to. I was really bummed though that Sequence didn’t put more details on other trainees. Still Im happy they showed Jorge and chuckled when he went down. Served him right for trying to pull some Kunta Kinte -Yoink- on the first day.
Some of the differences I get had to be done to translate a story from a novel to that of a show. You wouldn’t be able to do Keyes’ inner-monologue in the shuttle scene, but that doesn’t explain why her attitude and words changed so drastically. Maybe they’re trying to paint Halsey as not so rough.
But others, the change from one coin flip to 5, or instead of John just playing with the kids as it was in the novel to him straight up beating them down for fun, are unforgivable to me. Those are key scenes to me, specifically because it showed John as physically superior, but not cruel or bullyish, and blurred the line between luck and skill. John, to those only seeing this and not reading the book, more than likely see him as exceptionally skillful, instead of harboring doubts.
Then there was the uniforms on them during the conscription scene that originally taken place as soon as they arrived (so they should be wearing civilian attire) and the exercise scenes taking place in what appears to be a Mjolnir type undersuit, instead of the bland grey sweats from the book. Like they tell the IV’s, you have to earn better gear by proving you’re worthy of it.
Then they suggested that at least 3 are dead from training accidents? Legends told of one offing himself when he found his clone replacement, but I thought all 74 remaining made it to augmentation and the only washouts were there.
In the end it’s close enough to have the right feel of the story, the places, times, and people are right, but the events are so different that I’ll bet we’re going to get a Star Trek-esque alternate history explanation, or at least told that the differences don’t matter. If the latter is the case then why even both saying it’s even based on Nylund’s book, and why bother calling it FoR? Just call it Rise of the Spartans and scrap the whole foundation. At least then you won’t have to square your lack of faith to the story with an obviously knowledgeable fan base.
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> Some of the differences I get had to be done to translate a story from a novel to that of a show. You wouldn’t be able to do Keyes’ inner-monologue in the shuttle scene, but that doesn’t explain why her attitude and words changed so drastically. Maybe they’re trying to paint Halsey as not so rough.
> But others, the change from one coin flip to 5, or instead of John just playing with the kids as it was in the novel to him straight up beating them down for fun, are unforgivable to me. Those are key scenes to me, specifically because it showed John as physically superior, but not cruel or bullyish, and blurred the line between luck and skill. John, to those only seeing this and not reading the book, more than likely see him as exceptionally skillful, instead of harboring doubts.
> Then there was the uniforms on them during the conscription scene that had originally taken place as soon as they arrived (so they should be wearing civilian attire) and the exercise scenes taking place in what appears to be a Mjolnir type undersuit, instead of the bland grey sweats from the book. Like they tell the IV’s, you have to earn better gear by proving you’re worthy of it. And where are the other trainers, of which there was one for each child in that scene? I suspect, given the overall style of animation, that certain cuts were made to make it cheaper or to stick to a style guide (some background people don’t even move in the scene from the school) but in this case they sacrificed the canon for style/savings.
> Then they suggested that at least 3 are dead from training accidents? Legends told of one offing himself when he found his clone replacement, but I thought all 74 remaining made it to augmentation and the only washouts were there.
> In the end it’s close enough to have the right feel of the story, the places, times, and people are right, but the events are so different that I’ll bet we’re going to get a Star Trek-esque alternate history explanation, or at least told that the differences don’t matter. If the latter is the case then why even both saying it’s even based on Nylund’s book, and why bother calling it FoR? Just call it Rise of the Spartans and scrap the whole foundation. At least then you won’t have to square your lack of faith to the story with an obviously knowledgeable fan base.
Sorry, I guess I hit quote that last time instead of edit. My bad for the double post.
Nudity in cryo was because of health risks (freezer burn) associated with wearing clothes in cryo. However, the games and published media prefer to not have an 18+ rating, so they keep their characters clothed. Shouldn’t really surprise you, they did in Halo Wars, Forward Unto Dawn, and so forth.
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> Some of the differences I get had to be done to translate a story from a novel to that of a show. You wouldn’t be able to do Keyes’ inner-monologue in the shuttle scene, but that doesn’t explain why her attitude and words changed so drastically. Maybe they’re trying to paint Halsey as not so rough.
> But others, the change from one coin flip to 5, or instead of John just playing with the kids as it was in the novel to him straight up beating them down for fun, are unforgivable to me. Those are key scenes to me, specifically because it showed John as physically superior, but not cruel or bullyish, and blurred the line between luck and skill. John, to those only seeing this and not reading the book, more than likely see him as exceptionally skillful, instead of harboring doubts.
> Then there was the uniforms on them during the conscription scene that originally taken place as soon as they arrived (so they should be wearing civilian attire) and the exercise scenes taking place in what appears to be a Mjolnir type undersuit, instead of the bland grey sweats from the book. Like they tell the IV’s, you have to earn better gear by proving you’re worthy of it.
> Then they suggested that at least 3 are dead from training accidents? Legends told of one offing himself when he found his clone replacement, but I thought all 74 remaining made it to augmentation and the only washouts were there.
> In the end it’s close enough to have the right feel of the story, the places, times, and people are right, but the events are so different that I’ll bet we’re going to get a Star Trek-esque alternate history explanation, or at least told that the differences don’t matter. If the latter is the case then why even both saying it’s even based on Nylund’s book, and why bother calling it FoR? Just call it Rise of the Spartans and scrap the whole foundation. At least then you won’t have to square your lack of faith to the story with an obviously knowledgeable fan base.
What do you expect? It’s meant to provide less knowledgeable players a background to Blue Team. Not a to-the-letter perfect recreation.
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> > Some of the differences I get had to be done to translate a story from a novel to that of a show. You wouldn’t be able to do Keyes’ inner-monologue in the shuttle scene, but that doesn’t explain why her attitude and words changed so drastically. Maybe they’re trying to paint Halsey as not so rough.
> > But others, the change from one coin flip to 5, or instead of John just playing with the kids as it was in the novel to him straight up beating them down for fun, are unforgivable to me. Those are key scenes to me, specifically because it showed John as physically superior, but not cruel or bullyish, and blurred the line between luck and skill. John, to those only seeing this and not reading the book, more than likely see him as exceptionally skillful, instead of harboring doubts.
> > Then there was the uniforms on them during the conscription scene that originally taken place as soon as they arrived (so they should be wearing civilian attire) and the exercise scenes taking place in what appears to be a Mjolnir type undersuit, instead of the bland grey sweats from the book. Like they tell the IV’s, you have to earn better gear by proving you’re worthy of it.
> > Then they suggested that at least 3 are dead from training accidents? Legends told of one offing himself when he found his clone replacement, but I thought all 74 remaining made it to augmentation and the only washouts were there.
> > In the end it’s close enough to have the right feel of the story, the places, times, and people are right, but the events are so different that I’ll bet we’re going to get a Star Trek-esque alternate history explanation, or at least told that the differences don’t matter. If the latter is the case then why even both saying it’s even based on Nylund’s book, and why bother calling it FoR? Just call it Rise of the Spartans and scrap the whole foundation. At least then you won’t have to square your lack of faith to the story with an obviously knowledgeable fan base.
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> What do you expect? It’s meant to provide less knowledgeable players a background to Blue Team. Not a to-the-letter perfect recreation.
Ya know what I knew about the universe before I picked up FoR? Nothing that wasn’t told in CE. Less than anybody who is watching this series now since we’ve been through at least 4 other games directly dealing with Spartan lore.
If you read above, I didn’t expect a to the letter recreation, see how I accept that inner monologues and such wouldn’t work so some dialogue drift was needed to compensate for that. Go ahead though and justify to me why we couldn’t see the scene from the book with the trainers having to push one kid back down into their seat, or why we couldn’t just see the one flip of the coin and a little focus on John going vacant eyed to watch it come down. What was gained in this telling versus the original?
It’s a visual adaptation, not strictly canon. It focuses less on details than providing a story.
Things like the Spartan abductions, the composition of Blue Team (and its origin), the general lack of other Spartans, the fight in the Atlas weight room, etc. It’s like Halo Legends. It’s meant to tell a story, not be entirely canonical (or factual).
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> It’s a visual adaptation, not strictly canon. It focuses less on details than providing a story.
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> Things like the Spartan abductions, the composition of Blue Team (and its origin), the general lack of other Spartans, the fight in the Atlas weight room, etc. It’s like Halo Legends. It’s meant to tell a story, not be entirely canonical (or factual).
And missing the details is where the story gets watered down. Some are justifiable, some aren’t, but then again that gets into opinion-land and we all know where that goes in here. 
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> > Things like the Spartan abductions, the composition of Blue Team (and its origin), the general lack of other Spartans, the fight in the Atlas weight room, etc. It’s like Halo Legends. It’s meant to tell a story, not be entirely canonical (or factual).
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> And missing the details is where the story gets watered down. Some are justifiable, some aren’t, but then again that gets into opinion-land and we all know where that goes in here.
Only seen the first episode but I think you make some valid points on the differences but your taking them too close to heart… some of the things you have stated to be “watering down” the story are so minor that it really doesn’t matter, didn’t see a kid get pushed back down during the indoctrination? oh well…
Mendez’s office - I always thought that was all wooden panelled,
Woodland training - don’t remember a mention of snow
Obstacle course - kinda remember it being more natural looking, like it was made from the very woods they were in…
This series isn’t really for us though… as well as being another money making medium its mainly here to flesh out Chief and to introduce is buddies for the people who haven’t read/explored the EU
Just my opinion tho.
While there are inconsistencies, I understand that concessions have to be made when changing mediums. I still accept the book’s reprint as the canonical version (except the bit with Hunters being new), but I’m okay with this series. I made a very geeky cheer when Jorge made a cameo, I really hope they show other SII’s as kids. I want a visual representation of Kurt!
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> Shouldn’t really surprise you, they did in Halo Wars, Forward Unto Dawn, and so forth.
I was hoping for a “we figured out how to do it better” explanation there.
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That happened in Forward Unto Dawn; they have the training uniforms that look like body suits which would be more logical for using in Cryo as they don’t stick to the skin like traditional clothes
I thought the part with the ODSTs was done wrong too. Looked more like John advancing on them and viciously attacking them rather than defending himself and following orders. Bad betrayal of his character.