I am LITERALLY facing full teams of 4 with teams of randoms who don’t have mics (and if history serves, don’t even speak english), and can’t win a match because of it.
343 is fine with an Onyx 1800 searching with their Plat 3 smurfed teammate to gatekeep D6, apparently.
I literally had one game where someone was UNRANKED on my team and I was D5 at the time.
As if that wasn’t bad enough, I thought when teammates quit out it kept you from losing CSR but I was literally the last one left at the end of a match, went positive with hill time, and still lost some. Lucky me. My idiot teammates bailed after purposefully griefing and betraying towards the end.
Ranked is garbage.
Edit: Next match I get Plat 3 players on my team and the enemy team has Onyx players on it. I won too many matches last night so 343 decided that I needed to be punished I guess.
Part of that is always going to happen because your letting an AI pick your teammates for you. The AI will never match you up with ideal teammates, and having just one bad teammate can really screw you over. You’re playing to lose if you don’t party up yourself before hand.
This will never happen. If it did, people would carry teammates who purposely dropped matches ( or bully people out of matches ) so that they’d never have to worry about losing CSR.
This game overall is quite a nightmare. I wish it wasn’t but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. I think it’s going to be quite a while before things change. I foresee many issues when Forge finally comes out.
I’m a mid Plat level and most time I get onyx or high diamond “just playing with their low silver friend”
343 don’t seem to care about people abusing this, I understand at high levels they cannot often rampage through a team like they can at my level.
It’s just makes them look sad and yet again if still possible reduces the integrity of the game and the people behind it even more !
I kid you not there was a GOLD 6 in one game last night in a match where all the rest of us were high Diamond.
I’m not saying mixed parties shouldn’t be able to search, but it shouldn’t be matching like it does. It’s just begging for people to make booster accounts to get their mediocre friends to onyx easy
They need to add a hard cap on how much of a difference in rank can be used to influence what type people you face. It should be pretty small. If the difference is greater then the hard cap, it treats the low ranked people on team as if they’re equal in level to the highest ranked players on your team.
Dang, you guys only get one bad teammate??? I’ll go into btb and my entire team will have the play style of a six year old who doesn’t know what the alphabet is. I consider you guys lucky lmao. How do you even get one competent teammate? I can never find them. Their like a unicorn at this point.
Lost one match of oddball and lost like 15 CSR, won one and went the most positive with the second most ball time and the game gave me 4. I didn’t even go negative in the one I lost, and I had ball time there too so it should have buffered it at least some.
343 actually hates me personally.
Edit: Win another with the most kills in the whole game and the second most hill time, and I’m back where I started tonight.
If someone quits early you lose minimum CSR. The standard amount seems to be 3.
I’m not sure, but I think it’s less protecting if a member of your squad quits out.
OMG. That seemed to happen a fair bit in H5. If our team was losing someone would be going bat-yoink- crazy on the mike and team shooting you to make you quit. I’m assuming the rules were a bit different back then?
I don’t think they are dragging their mediocre friends into Onyx. I thought it was more about the high level players grinding small amounts of CSR to make them feel better.
I don’t know how well that would go. It would create unevenly matched games… and you wouldn’t be able to rank the other team up or down properly.
For that to happen your CSR has drifted above your MMR. Probably on the back of winning a run of games vs teams ranked equal or below you.
Two things.
Your personal performance doesn’t factor into the CSR change. It’s all about the result, who you beat, and where your CSR sits in relation to your MMR.
Your KPM and DPM will affect your MMR. And this can influence your CSR in the next few games. But going positive on it’s own has no relevance. And ball time doesn’t buff you at all. Except, of course, in helping you secure that all important W.
This whole system is a backwards convoluted dumpster fire. Winning should be all that matters, it shouldn’t punish you for going negative in a game of ODDBALL ffs.
If you want to rank up then beat someone ranked above you.
It’s not a terribly “out there” concept.
If you rank up for simply winning what you have is a simple rank sort. It would take 100’s, if not 1000’s of games to accurately rank everyone. With bucket loads of horribly mismatched games in the lead up.
That would be convoluted.
First up, it’s mainly punishing you for the loss.
As for going negative? Its probably not going to help your cause. It depends on how negative and how well you maintained your KPM. After all, the weighting for DPM is not as strong as for KPM.
Do your share of the objective to secure the win.
Make sure you are holding your own in regards to winning 1v1 to maintain your KPM. We’re not talking a lot - you can see what is expected on the waypoint stats page (last 20 games). Keeping in mind the game is essentially slayer with an objective.
But I don’t know under what circumstances that player ended up in that particular game. Where they in the wrong place at the wrong time (a victim of low server population) or was it self inflicted and they got in with a sqad of mates?
And then we come to the 4 & 20.
You can look up on Waypoint the expected kills and deaths. So you can see how each player contributed.
If they were expected to go 4 & 20 then they did their part.
If they were expected to go 3 & 20 or 4 & 21 then they over achieved.
And if they didn’t live up to expectations - were they out of proportion to everyone else? Someone who was expected to go 20 & 4 who goes 19 & 5 has also failed to “pull their weight”.
HE LOST US THE GAME BY GOING 4 AND 20 HOW IS THIS A GOOD SYSTEM
I lost like 8 matches tonight because of this garbage. The algorithm has me soft locked at D5 because it doesn’t want me to win more than I lose. It is the worst system imaginable for a ranked construct. Everything about it is frustrating.
I win 2, get a couple of CSR tops, lose one and lose like 15. Doesn’t matter how I lost, how well I do, any of that. My teammates quit out and I lose 15 CSR. I have to play for hours to get THAT back, because of this stupid back and forth situation where they pair me up with anchor teammates. Only one game in the past week have I been the anchor teammate. And that was against a team of Onyx players. 343 and Microsoft hate me personally.
I’m glad it’s not just me… I literally shake my head sometimes like how can they possibly be making that choice right now…smh (referring to teammates decision making sometimes)
And without context we don’t know if “they” lost you the game.
As the weaker member of the team they would be expected to go negative.
I’ll concede not 4 & 20, granted.
But I’ve been in many games were I’ve gone negative. As expected. But we’ve still won. As long as everyone does their part.
You can’t expect everyone to go positive. Especially in games with wide skill ranges. That’s a fantasy land where you never lose a game.
Other teams will be drawing from the same pool.
What are you doing to help compensate for these lower ranked players? Are you running with them? Allowing them to run with you? Trying to guide them with coms? Allocating objective plays appropriately?
I’ve played with Onyx players who lift your performance (running with you, telling you where they want you to be)… and also those are happy to run solo, throwing you to the wolves, and abuse you in the process.
It’s a team game overall.
I doubt it.
Your skill ceiling has you hard locked at D5 because that’s your skill level.
Just as mine is locked at D2.
Improving from here is going to take a lot of work. Both in terms of individual skills and team skills. And maybe you need to take control of the team and run with friends.
You will tend to win vs D4. Break even vs D5. And lose to D6.
Welcome to the treadmill.
We’ve chatted about this. It is frustrating. But you are just oscillating your CSR around your MMR. It’s only a few points. Let it go.
If you want to rank up you need to beat the teams ranked above you. That will bring your MMR up to match your CSR and stop it falling.
And no it doesn’t matter how you lost. You lost. And you won’t rank up if you keep losing that harder game.
Don’t get hung up over 10-15 points. The system isn’t that precise. And I wish 343 would change the scale to a lower value to reflect that.
From a sanity point of view just concentrate on your div/tier. Be a D5. Keep working to improve… and maybe over a period of weeks you can work up to D6. Just don’t torture yourself over every CSR point. It’s not worth it.
dude are you a shareholder in trueskill2 or something? Jesus Christ
Give it a rest already. Every single thread on here, the second someone criticizes how crap the ranking/matchmaking system in this game is and you are there replying to every post trying to justify how it works as intended.
I’m sure it does work as intended, and if that is the case then what they intended is not enjoyable and definitely not fair. It’s in need of a complete re-work
And I’m more about trying to correct misconceptions and mistruths.
It’s a passion.
I’ve always said that the ranking system is not supposed to be enjoyable. It’s supposed to rank you. As fast and as accurately as it can. After all it’s primary function is for match making.
As for making it enjoyable - there are definitely some things that 343 can do to make the system less frustrating (eg. lower scale on the CSR).
Oh. And add a XP rank to reward people for winning / doing well even if they haven’t ranked up.
