Every Casual Argument Ever – Debunked

Games Other Halo
1

I’ve really gotten tired of the way that everyone around here seems to react to the outcry for a visible, in-game ranking system. The fact is that this has been a part of Halo since multiplayer was first introduced to the series in Halo 2. It made its return in Halo 3, and in Halo: Reach, it was transformed into the (much more limited, but at least still visible) Arena system. For 343 to take it out without so much of a mention of its existence was outrageous. Now, a mere five days from launch, they have announced its return, and all is well and dandy, right? Right?

Wrong. This isn’t what we asked for. This isn’t even a part of the game. It’s an external stat-tracking utility that we will force us to visit the Halo Waypoint profile page. It has nothing to do with matchmaking and sounds to be like a glorified BPR that moves up and down. Halotracker has had something like this for quite some time now, and does anybody care? No. Will anyone? Not likely.

Don’t believe me?

“The CSR will appear post-launch in an update to Halo Waypoint and associated Smartglass applications…When the CSR system is fully implemented post-launch, Waypoint will assign each player a visible and detailed Skill Rank, viewable in the player profile section of Halo Waypoint.”

Not anywhere near a title-update. It won’t affect the game at all, and it won’t play a role in making sure that I don’t waste my evenings shooting guests and people who don’t take the game seriously. It will be the same game is it is at launch, except we’ll be able to go online and look at a number that will have no impact on how we find games.

I’m already anticipating your arguments. “WHAAA! Why do you care about some pixels next to your name?” To that I simply must ask why you all have been so adamant over the past few months in flaming everyone who brought it up. What is it that makes us wrong for wanting a feature that has, for us, made Halo Halo for nearly a decade? Why do you care about armor and skins and the progression system that’s in there now? Aren’t these also “just pixels”? And if you claim not to care about these things, then why in the hell do you keep running us down for something that has absolutely no bearing on your experience?

The fact is, this “system”—if you can even call it that—is a compromise for all of your whining. This will have no bearing on the “rampant cheating and boosting” that everyone seems to think is caused by skill-based ranking. Don’t you realize that people have also been boosting to inheritor, sold those accounts, and will also be boosting to SR-130 or whatever the hell it is in Halo 4? Haven’t you ever played Call of Duty? Having a skill-based ranking system doesn’t stop people from boosting, cheating, and selling accounts, and I don’t see why it bothers you all so much that people do, anyway.

No, I am not pleased with the announcement of CSR. It sounds like wasted effort on their part, a sad attempt to make us forget what has made Halo my go-to game since I was just kid. I won’t be happy until there is a return of ranked matchmaking playlists with visible ranks, just like there has been in Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo: Reach. And why should I be? Would you be happy if your favorite feature of the game was only visible via Halo Waypoint, and in fact had no real bearing on the gameplay? Might as well make armor, skins, and the progression system Waypoint exclusives, as well. After all, they are just “pixels,” and they serve only to cause people to boost to unlock them.

In short, stop being so selfish. If you don’t like what we have to say, don’t read it. Nobody is forcing you to be here. Our plea is for 343; it has nothing to do with you. If you really don’t care, stop being complete -Yoinks!- and just let us voice our opinions on what is for us the biggest part of Halo.

2

Everyone gets what they want and people still find ways to complain.

3

ITT: People perpetuate the moronic idea of casuals, and the hardcore.

4

Are you sad that you can’t whack people in the face with your virtual phallus?

5

Frankie already said that Waypoint is part of the game now and isn’t a separate program like before… so problem solved.

There’s a ranking system, and it’s visible. Who cares? You got what you wanted, everyone will be able to see the stats and rank via player card via waypoint.

Now, quit whining, you got what you wanted. It’s all good.

6

I’m starting to see more flaming from people who aren’t fighting for the visible rank… IT’S OPPOSITE DAY!

7

Here’s what the Chief thinks about you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UcYPs2154U

8

I am sorry OP but you come off as demanding and hostile. How do you expect to be taken seriously by a professional company if you give off the vibe of such anger. It doesnt matter what “side” i am from, i am trying to see where youre coming from.

You see i do business, in the real world, if you spoke to or approached me like this IRL, i would walk away from the table or ask you to leave. This is no different from that situation.

Give them a chance before you condemn them any longer.

9

> I’m starting to see more flaming from people who aren’t fighting for the visible rank… IT’S OPPOSITE DAY!

I guess we all finally got tired of hearing it.

10

I feel bad because you built that wall only to be shot down by people who have heard it 50 times today.

11

Point proven. Five out of six flaming. Didn’t you read anything? We didn’t get what we wanted; we got a placeholder designed to make people like you feel better for it not being there. I still go back to Halo 3 every once in a while on a new account to get a new 50. That game is now five years old. I wanted to have the same experience with Halo 4, but this system is, from the description, more akin to the BPR than anything else. I don’t understand why everyone here is flaming us over this. It’s just absurd. Why are you all so butt hurt?

12

> I’ve really gotten tired of the way that everyone around here seems to react to the outcry for a visible, in-game ranking system. The fact is that this has been a part of Halo since multiplayer was first introduced to the series in Halo 2. It made its return in Halo 3, and in Halo: Reach, it was transformed into the (much more limited, but at least still visible) Arena system. For 343 to take it out without so much of a mention of its existence was outrageous. Now, a mere five days from launch, they have announced its return, and all is well and dandy, right? Right?
>
> Wrong. This isn’t what we asked for. This isn’t even a part of the game. It’s an external stat-tracking utility that we will force us to visit the Halo Waypoint profile page. It has nothing to do with matchmaking and sounds to be like a glorified BPR that moves up and down. Halotracker has had something like this for quite some time now, and does anybody care? No. Will anyone? Not likely.
> Don’t believe me?
>
> “The CSR will appear post-launch in an update to Halo Waypoint and associated Smartglass applications…When the CSR system is fully implemented post-launch, Waypoint will assign each player a visible and detailed Skill Rank, viewable in the player profile section of Halo Waypoint.”
>
> Not anywhere near a title-update. It won’t affect the game at all, and it won’t play a role in making sure that I don’t waste my evenings shooting guests and people who don’t take the game seriously. It will be the same game is it is at launch, except we’ll be able to go online and look at a number that will have no impact on how we find games.
> I’m already anticipating your arguments. “WHAAA! Why do you care about some pixels next to your name?” To that I simply must ask why you all have been so adamant over the past few months in flaming everyone who brought it up. What is it that makes us wrong for wanting a feature that has, for us, made Halo Halo for nearly a decade? Why do you care about armor and skins and the progression system that’s in there now? Aren’t these also “just pixels”? And if you claim not to care about these things, then why in the hell do you keep running us down for something that has absolutely no bearing on your experience?
>
> The fact is, this “system”—if you can even call it that—is a compromise for all of your whining. This will have no bearing on the “rampant cheating and boosting” that everyone seems to think is caused by skill-based ranking. Don’t you realize that people have also been boosting to inheritor, sold those accounts, and will also be boosting to SR-130 or whatever the hell it is in Halo 4? Haven’t you ever played Call of Duty? Having a skill-based ranking system doesn’t stop people from boosting, cheating, and selling accounts, and I don’t see why it bothers you all so much that people do, anyway.
>
> No, I am not pleased with the announcement of CSR. It sounds like wasted effort on their part, a sad attempt to make us forget what has made Halo my go-to game since I was just kid. I won’t be happy until there is a return of ranked matchmaking playlists with visible ranks, just like there has been in Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo: Reach. And why should I be? Would you be happy if your favorite feature of the game was only visible via Halo Waypoint, and in fact had no real bearing on the gameplay? Might as well make armor, skins, and the progression system Waypoint exclusives, as well. After all, they are just “pixels,” and they serve only to cause people to boost to unlock them.
>
> In short, stop being so selfish. If you don’t like what we have to say, don’t read it. Nobody is forcing you to be here. Our plea is for 343; it has nothing to do with you. If you really don’t care, stop being complete -Yoinks!- and just let us voice our opinions on what is for us the biggest part of Halo.

It seems to me that if anyone got anything for the amount of whining they do, it would definitely be you guys.

13

> I’ve really gotten tired of the way that everyone around here seems to react to the outcry for a visible, in-game ranking system. <mark>The fact is that this has been a part of Halo since multiplayer was first introduced to the series in Halo 2.</mark> It made its return in Halo 3, and in Halo: Reach, it was transformed into the (much more limited, but at least still visible) Arena system. For 343 to take it out without so much of a mention of its existence was outrageous. Now, a mere five days from launch, they have announced its return, and all is well and dandy, right? Right?

The fact that it has not been a part of Halo since over the internet multiplayer was first introduced in Halo: CE for the PC destroys your argument and this thread.

14

I desperately want to back you up OP, but this seems to also be a complaint thread instead of an objective argument overall. I just can’t support that no matter how pro-vis-rank I am :frowning:

15

i would like to know where all the Dreaded Casuals that are actively denying fun to the competetive ubermensch are hiding. i havent seen any but apparently they’re a huge problem

16

> Point proven. Five out of six flaming. Didn’t you read anything? We didn’t get what we wanted; we got a placeholder designed to make people like you feel better for it not being there. I still go back to Halo 3 every once in a while on a new account to get a new 50. That game is now five years old. I wanted to have the same experience with Halo 4, but this system is, from the description, more akin to the BPR than anything else. I don’t understand why everyone here is flaming us over this. It’s just absurd. Why are you all so butt hurt?

Then by all means, go back to Halo 3 and boost. We’ll be here, enjoying our slightly differently formatted ranking system.

17

I find your argument, interesting.

18

> > Point proven. Five out of six flaming. Didn’t you read anything? We didn’t get what we wanted; we got a placeholder designed to make people like you feel better for it not being there. I still go back to Halo 3 every once in a while on a new account to get a new 50. That game is now five years old. I wanted to have the same experience with Halo 4, but this system is, from the description, more akin to the BPR than anything else. I don’t understand why everyone here is flaming us over this. It’s just absurd. Why are you all so butt hurt?
>
> Then by all means, go back to Halo 3 and boost. We’ll be here, enjoying our slightly differently formatted ranking system.

I don’t boost. I play the game the way that it was designed to be played, and if I run into a booster, more power to them. They still have to be better than I am to win the match. And if they do, I can move on. It’s just a game, after all. People will cheat. You get over it. You don’t cater the game to those who can’t handle it, especially when those people claim not to care about the system in the first place.

19

> I am sorry OP but you come off as demanding and hostile. How do you expect to be taken seriously by a professional company if you give off the vibe of such anger. It doesnt matter what “side” i am from, i am trying to see where youre coming from.

there is nothing hostile or demanding in the post, his post is well constructed and doesn’t provide any attacks or demands, the i see a request and a question but no demand and no attacking so i fail to see where you’re comming from.

yes, it does matter what side you’re comming from. why? because what side you’re comming from dictates how you view what he has posted, if you come from the side more against ranks then you will always see posts like this as a hostile attack, if you come from the side for ranks then you will see posts like this as a constructive argument that says what you’re thinking without all the obsceneities, if you’re being objective then you see it as another person who is upset other something he has enjoyed for 10 years being removed because of a one sided point of view.

you seem to be on the side against it.

20

> Not anywhere near a title-update. It won’t affect the game at all, and it won’t play a role in making sure that I don’t waste my evenings shooting guests and people who don’t take the game seriously. It will be the same game is it is at launch, except we’ll be able to go online and look at a number that will have no impact on how we find games.

"What is it?
At Halo 4’s launch, the competitive skill system will measure your performance against other players in Halo 4 War Games and use this information to match you up against opponents of comparable skill ranks. When the CSR system is fully implemented post-launch, Waypoint will assign each player a visible and detailed Skill Rank, viewable in the player profile section of Halo Waypoint.

> It has nothing to do with matchmaking and sounds to be like a glorified BPR that moves up and down

A rank will also move up and down based on how you play. Halo 3’s ranks moved up and down. Im not sure what you are trying to say here. Also, “CSR is currently planned to use a familiar and easy to understand 1-50 scale (subject to change or alteration). Your CSR will go up and down based on match outcomes.” This is nothing like BPR. If anything it is very similar to a Halo 3 system that many have been begging for. Really one of the only similarities with BPR I can see is that it will be shown on Waypoint.

> It’s an external stat-tracking utility that we will force us to visit the Halo Waypoint profile page.

You know why it might be on waypoint instead of beside your name? I think they made that choice because it will discourage boosting. People won’t immediately be able to stare at ranks beside your Gamertag. This could discourage boosting because people might not care about that number because it can only be seen on Waypoint.

The fact is, this is very similar to what people have been asking for. This is a ranking system that will be ranking you based on your play and will actively assist in matching you with players of similar skill and rank. So your rank won’t be shown, so what? Everyone that has been asking for this has said that they don’t care about the number beside the name, they said they cared because it will extend the life of the game, it will match players better, give more competitive matches to players. From what we have heard, this system will be doing those things.

It might not be debuting right at launch, but it will still be tracking you and will be shown once it has been tested. With all of the testing 343 can do, they still can’t replicate the actual conditions of the community until the game launches. They obviously want the system to work correctly and to the best of it’s abilities. Waiting and testing the actual community is probably the best way to ensure that is happening.

And I’m not someone who has been against a ranking system. I haven’t been vocal about it, but I have also wanted a ranking system. I’m happy that they have decided to add one. Let’s see how it works out.