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> > > > > similarities mentioned between human and Forerunner anatomy/physiology
> > > > > Humanity and Forerunners are the same species, but neither faction knows that, because humanity are the pure genetic example of the species, and the Forerunners spent tens of millions of years genetically manipulating themselves in their attempt to turn themselves into the ultimate species, so when the two factions met again, they didn’t recognize each-other.
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> > > > I’m sorry I’m going to have to call out some of the shortcut headcanon going on here as it’s not (at least currently!) entirely accurate.
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> > > > Humans and Forerunners are not the same species canonically. Bungie started out with the plan to have them be the same, but changed their mind along the road and as it had never been stated before it cannot be claimed to be a retcon.
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> > > > There are perhaps some indications 343 may be reappraising this (e.g. the Librarian’s number of fingers and the lost Theoretical rate), however there is currently nothing in canon to support that hypothesis solidly.
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> > > > The canonical position is that Humans and Forerunners are separate species both seeded and designed separately by the Precursors
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> > > > I do agree with you that Kilo-5 is extraneous now
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> > > I suggest re-reading the Forerunner saga. The evidence absolutely supports my claim.
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> > > Bornstellar notes the comparison of much more alike Forerunners who haven’t undergone their first mutation are to humans than the higher forms.
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> > > The Librarian saw the Path Kethona Forerunners who stopped manipulating their genetics ten-million years before the Milky Way Forerunners, and they look much more like humans than the Milky Way Forerunners.
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> > > A few times throughout the books, characters note the similarities of genetics between humans and Forerunners, and even speculate that there could be common ancestry, but they reject it not because of science, but because they personally find the idea revolting.
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> > > There’s also the fact that the Forerunners never found Humanity’s “Homeworld”. They looked all over human-controlled space, and didn’t find it. The Forerunners picked Erde Tyrene, but we know that’s wrong because there was no human presence on the planet, no signs of a civilization having developed on it.
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> > > You can look at the aesthetic of the Didact, who extensively mutated himself in an attempt to find an immunity to the Flood, and many of his features you can actually tell which of the other species he extracted the genetics from in order to incorporate them into himself.
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> > > Now if you look at the other side of the galaxy, the Forerunners were explorers, traveling far and wide. They were also scientists, experimenting with stellar engineering, and they even accidentally destroyed their own homeworld in a stellar engineering accident. It’s completely reasonable to speculate that this was the indecent that caused the Forerunners to lose track of an expedition to the other side of the galaxy.
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> > > You can even look at the Precursors’ promise. They picked a specific race, and promised them that their descendants would be given the Mantle of Responsibility. In Halo: Cryptum there’s a passage that directly identifies the Precursors as eternal beings “where the twin fists of time uncurl their fingers and join in a clasp, so that nothing changes or ever would”, which means they’d know the Forerunners actions from the beginning, and that the Forerunners wouldn’t be worthy. Think about it, why would the Precursors promise something to an unworthy race that they had no intention of giving it? In contrast, if you look at all of the other evidence, and take humanity and Forerunners as both being descended from that chosen race, then the Precursors did keep their promise. They did give the Mantle to the descendants of their chosen race, just not the branch of descendants that was trying to keep track of the promise.
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> > > Bungie orignally planned for Forerunners and Humans to be the same species, but the Forerunner saga gives plenty of evidence to show that they’re distinct, but descended from the same species.
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> > > (Work’s crazy for me right now, otherwise I’d be digging through the books and giving you quotations with page references)
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> > Firstly to debunk one point of inaccuracy: Erde Tyrene 100% is ancient humanity’s homeworld that’s confirmed in Primordium and SIlentium definitely has a passage stating that traces of ancient humanity were purged from the galaxy during the de-evolution process.
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> > I don’t deny that there are strands of evidence to support your hypothesis, my point is, however, that it’s only an hypothesis and not canonical fact (at least yet). A lot of it is also speculative rather than hard fact: just because two species look alike does not necessarily mean they are descended from a common ancestor (especially when we know both species in this case were seeded and engineered by the Precursors - and crucially in the Forerunner Trilogy it states as much that both species were seeded by the Precursors). Indeed: you’re noting similarities between the Path Kethona Forerunners and -Yoink!- Sapiens, but what about the Florians, Neanderthals, Denisovans, Gigantopithicus? These we know did evolve from a common ancestor, but in fact look more different.
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> > I don’t deny that some day you may be proven right, but for now you can’t present this hypothesis as canonical fact as it isn’t there yet. I agree that I think there’s every possibility that may yet be a road we get taken down, but only time will tell and there’s still a good chance another road is chosen.
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> > to the best of Forerunner research, humans had indeed first arisen on Erde-Tyrene, but over fifty thousand years ago had moved their interstellar civilization outward along the galactic arm, perhaps to flee early Forerunner control. Records from those ages were sparse
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> That’s the extent of the connection, the claim of research done without evidence (and we know that the Forerunners lie about their history). Casual familiarity with the modern state of science reveals that the people professing to be telling the science are easily, and frequently infected by politics. That’s why evidence apart from their claims is so important. Evidence that never existed on Erde Tyrene for the Forerunners to remove.
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Likewise however that hardly constitutes proof of anything. This is my whole point about your hypothesis- I don’t actually disagree with a lot of it as a theory. But that’s all it is: a theory. You have various bits of insinuation which may support it, but you don’t have any hard proofs.
I’ll try and dig out the Primordium and Silentium passages I’m thinking of