You do realize that Gears of War has never been remotely as popular or as successful as Halo Esports wise right?
This is coming from a longtime Gears fan. Only Gears title that was even close to being a big Esport was Gears of War 1 and even then it wasn’t all that impressive.
Halo 5 is a drastically superior competitive title I would argue. Superior starting weapon, higher skill ceiling, larger weapon variety, and Halo 5 had Forge closer to release. It is stupid to trash Infinite for being Esports friendly then praise Halo 5. Halo 5 is probably the most Esports Halo title ever released.
I’m gonna say this again, the only exception to the rule of Esports in Halo titles was probably Halo 4. That game had very few tournaments, with small prize pools, few competitors, super low viewership numbers, low skill ceiling, etc.
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Halo 5 on launch, was exactly how I described it. I was there, I remember it. Forge isn’t necessary to make a game esports “ready” if you will. Those 5 or 6 maps that were only good for comp play were the only maps in the game on launch period. That was the problem.
I don’t care how much work they put into warzone. It was Diet Battlefield and quit being fun pretty quickly.
And don’t give me that “they fixed it later BS.” By the time they did their mea culpas and got the game into a decent place, at least half the player had already bailed. It was too late. Esports centric game design killed halo 5 and it’s looking like they didn’t quite assimilate fully the learning experience to be had there.
Lol hard disagree.
(Both are nothing more than entertainment properties ar the highest level. Guarantee most things that work for sports/ professional sports will translate to video games/esports. We’re just in the early stages of one)
Let me just dunk on you by driving home the point about player numbers. I haven’t seen too many AAA games die as fast as halo 5 did. Esports completely ruined it for millions of people and it’s partially ruining Infinite. You’re obviously a sympathizer and probably a streamer or “works in the gaming industry” somehow so I don’t expect to convince you. I’m just not going to let you get away with revisionist history so that anyone reading this won’t buy your blabber.
NBA is a viewing only product sold through tv and streaming subscriptions. (Ticket sales, merch, etc also play a part but the majority of consumers simply watch on TV)
Video games are interactive content. You’re not simply viewing other people do the thing. You’re the one actually doing it via the product. I hope you’re not too dense to see there’s a massive difference in the type and delivery of content here.
That’s your personal opinion. What is objective though is that the time they spent on casual modes was enormous. I do believe that Halo 5 was superior in terms of Esports, but I would push back on the notion that Esports had any significant impact on most of its design. Do you blame Esports for its lackluster story? What about the REQ system? What about the Hunt the Lies marketing? At what point do you stop chasing boogeymen and instead just face the truth? 343i are incompetent. Esports has little impact at best.
There was a game, in the not so distant past, that lost half of its playerbase in two weeks. It was called Halo 4. Yes my brothers, the least competitive game probably in the entire series also had the worst player retention.
Look at the stats. Try to revise what I said about Halo 4. I’ll be waiting.
You know there’s a HUGE industry of non-professional basketball products and consumers, who play at a lower level than NBA right?
Sneaker sales, Jersey sales, amateur leagues, pickup leagues, beer leagues, pickup games, school off time games, esports versions, vertically everything you can think of.
Just because you don’t acknowledge lower levels of a professional item doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist in spades (and also make TONS of money too).
And everything here can equate to levels of Halo and the pro/amateur levels. Which is exactly why thre original post sounds so ridiculous in my opinion.
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It wasn’t just my opinion, it was many peoples opinions and the player numbers, again, speak for themselves. Halo 4 died quick too. But I never brought up halo 4. You did. But halo 4 was obviously heavily influenced by COD which I think was the biggest console esports title at the time so… you’re not exactly on strong grounds there either.
So? Very little of that has anything to do with the NBA specifically. The NBA isn’t hosting pick up tournaments at my local rec center.
But those local pickup tournaments probably run off the same rules as the NBA (some might match college)…
So saying the pro version of something ruins the amatuer version doesn’t match up
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This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol. Ok dude, it is fun to chat with someone that is nuts, but this feels like talking to somebody that thinks the world is flat… No matter what I say it won’t matter.
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To be fair, H4 was heavily influenced by CoD. CoD just wasn’t the biggest esports game at the time by a mile.
Has CoD ever been the biggest esports game? Streamer friendly game sure, but esports?..
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But they don’t have to run off the same rules as NBA. As you said there are many different leagues. Ergo, there are many slight variations of the rules. They can also choose to use older versions of the NBA ruleset ie no 3 pointers. In other words, you have freedom to choose how you want to enjoy the game of basketball with your friends and the NBA has no say on that.
With halo, we are essentially having mlg rules shoved down our throat if we want anything other than AR starts. Get it yet?
I said on CONSOLE. In general it’s been league for a while, and if you just limit it to shooters it’s been csgo. But cod was never big on PC back then so yeah.
Uh… but you literally have options available to play (not even through custom games only) that are less professional, and more new player friendly… and then if you don’t like the pro rules, or the non-pro rules, there’s still also custom games available… like, everything you need to not have non-ro sports settings is there and readily accessible.
What are you even unhappy about tbh? 
CoD only became a large efforts console grabber in the least couple years with its BR. Before that it’s league play has been barely watched and a joke.
You seem like you’re just attaching to the internet talking point of ‘esports and CoD suck’ without a lot of individual critical thought applied imo
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No. Well it depends on how you would define it as an Esports title. In terms of prize pools its actually not too impressive, I don’t know about viewership numbers honestly so maybe its possible its like a top 5 Esport game in terms of viewership? I don’t know.
CoD is known to be a horrible game competitively. Now I would have to do a lot more research on the topic as to understand why but I’m assuming that its because the overall game is so tailored to casual play that it struggles. Deathstreaks for example would be like if you missed 5 shots in a game of basketball and they gave you 1 for free lol stupid ideas competitively.
In terms of impact of Esports the most obvious genre has to be fighting games. It is impossible to imagine fighting games without Esports. They’ve been interlinked probably for 1-2 decades.
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Yeah on launch they only had AR start quick play, ranked, and btb. It was only after complaints like this that they added a few more things.
At the time, cod was the big fish when it came to shooters on console. That’s where the money was for that specific genre of game back then. Halo tried to be like COD to get in on it and fell on their face. Not sure why this is even a debate. That’s just what happened.
Ranked, Quick Playy, and Big Team Battle are literally 2/3 playlists not catering to esports people…
So a majority of the playlists available from launch directly disprove your argument
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