Seriously, remove the plasma pistol and plasma grenade entirely from halo 4 multiplayer. A fine weapon tuning update cant redeem the damages that have been done.
HOW IS SPAWNING WITH BOTH FAIR???
Oh yeah thats right “our players didnt want an even playing field”
They don’t need to remove them from loadouts. The Plasma Pistol runs out charge very quickly so I don’t see it as an issue. As for Plasma grenades the problem is that you spawn with two when it should only be one.
Survey says…NO
Why? Because using plasma pistol makes it easier to disable vehicles and stop those Ghost Riders from ramming us. For that matter, it does wonders to disable the Mantis so they can blow it, Skywalker Style.
Well, nades have always been, as some say, a panic button in most cases. So in that regard, the plasma nade is the most effective for panic… also, vehicles.
I have no problems with the Plasma Pistol on no-vehicle gametypes, but yeah… vehicles don’t last very long unless is a heavy one.
They are both necessary, and taking them of from loadouts would be kind of irritating for some, and would make vehicles liek the Mantis highly OP because of the dificulty of boarding one withount getting outgunned or stomped.
Also, Pokemon reference here: PLASMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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> Why? Because using plasma pistol makes it easier to disable vehicles and stop those Ghost Riders from ramming us. For that matter, it does wonders to disable the Mantis so they can blow it, Skywalker Style.
That is precisely why the plasma pistol and grenades need to go (at least in BTB). The vehicles should be strong weapons that can be taken out using strategy, not a liability that can be stopped instantly with a loadout weapon.
> They don’t need to remove them from loadouts. The Plasma Pistol runs out charge very quickly so I don’t see it as an issue. As for Plasma grenades the problem is that you spawn with two when it should only be one.
It’s SO an issue! starting with 1 would help…a little.Better then nothing i guess
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> > Why? Because using plasma pistol makes it easier to disable vehicles and stop those Ghost Riders from ramming us. For that matter, it does wonders to disable the Mantis so they can blow it, Skywalker Style.
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> That is precisely why the plasma pistol and grenades need to go (at least in BTB). The vehicles should be strong weapons that can be taken out using strategy, not a liability that can be stopped instantly with a loadout weapon.
Well, if one team happens to obtain all the vehicles and use it on a team, with not plasma pistol or plasma grenade, that would be quite unfair if you think about it. Also, im guessing your a driver who gets plasma overcharged in either a banshee, ghost, or mantis.
> Well, if one team happens to obtain all the vehicles and use it on a team, with not plasma pistol or plasma grenade, that would be quite unfair if you think about it. Also, im guessing your a driver who gets plasma overcharged in either a banshee, ghost, or mantis.
I understand that there needs to be something to take them out, they would be overpowered otherwise.
In the older games you could always find something on the map to take them out.
I guess the problem really stems from not having weapon pickups on the maps anymore.
> > Well, if one team happens to obtain all the vehicles and use it on a team, with not plasma pistol or plasma grenade, that would be quite unfair if you think about it. Also, im guessing your a driver who gets plasma overcharged in either a banshee, ghost, or mantis.
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> I understand that there needs to be something to take them out, they would be overpowered otherwise.
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> In the older games you could always find something on the map to take them out.
> I guess the problem really stems from not having weapon pickups on the maps anymore.
Well, you can say that. Personally, I like having the Plasma b/c it does prove to be good use not only on vehicles but on players, so it would be easier to take them out. But i do miss finding weapons on the map although i rather pick up loadout weapons b/c i would need to reload, not ords.
As soon as I get in the Banshee on Daybreak, or the mantis on Outcast, I am constantly getting shot at by plasma pistol users. My reward for killing those who try to disable me? More plasma pistol charges headed for me.
MY FAVORITE
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> Why? Because using plasma pistol makes it easier to disable vehicles and stop those Ghost Riders from ramming us. For that matter, it does wonders to disable the Mantis so they can blow it, Skywalker Style.
If a ghost if heading to Ram you… JUMP
it’s not rocket science
you don’t need those cheap loadout weapons to protect you
and if you’re fighting a mantis up close, on foot, you’re doing it wrong
that’s like saying i should fight a sniper, at long range, with a shotgun
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> > Why? Because using plasma pistol makes it easier to disable vehicles and stop those Ghost Riders from ramming us. For that matter, it does wonders to disable the Mantis so they can blow it, Skywalker Style.
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> If a ghost if heading to Ram you… JUMP
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> it’s not rocket science
> you don’t need those cheap loadout weapons to protect you
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> and if you’re fighting a mantis up close, on foot, you’re doing it wrong
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> that’s like saying i should fight a sniper, at long range, with a shotgun
Jumping doesn’t help with the H4 servers and the still not high enough jump height.
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> > it’s not rocket science
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> > and if you’re fighting a mantis up close, on foot, you’re doing it wrong
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> > that’s like saying i should fight a sniper, at long range, with a shotgun
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> Jumping doesn’t help with the H4 servers and the still not high enough jump height.
i’ve been able to do it countless times
it’s not hard
equipping the thruster pack also helps
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> > > Why? Because using plasma pistol makes it easier to disable vehicles and stop those Ghost Riders from ramming us. For that matter, it does wonders to disable the Mantis so they can blow it, Skywalker Style.
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> > That is precisely why the plasma pistol and grenades need to go (at least in BTB). The vehicles should be strong weapons that can be taken out using strategy, not a liability that can be stopped instantly with a loadout weapon.
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> Well, if one team happens to obtain all the vehicles and use it on a team, with not plasma pistol or plasma grenade, that would be quite unfair if you think about it. Also, im guessing your a driver who gets plasma overcharged in either a banshee, ghost, or mantis.
If the enemy team captures all the vehicles on the map, then you really deserve to lose. It’s your job to protect them, control them, and use them against the enemy. If you fail to take advantage of the power weapons and vehicles on a map you need a new team or a new strategy.
vehicles would dominate so hard if you couldnt start with plasmas. every now and then i get a match where the other team doesnt use plasmas, im pretty sure all of my perfections have been those games.
Um NO. The plasma pistol and plasma grenades are needed to counter the over powered vehicles. It would ruin the game of you took them out
Remove it from MM completely? You mad about something? But seriously I DO understand your pain but they should just be removed from loadouts, at least from BTB.
Haven’t been around in a long time but yeah, when I was avidly playing Halo 4 vehicles were like tissue paper. Especially to the DMR. Frankly vehicle health should be buffed to the point where loadout weapons are useless against them or at least very inefficient. I’ve seen people walk past vacant tanks and wraiths simply because they both get destroyed so quickly. I see banshees take off and die two seconds later, usually label those CATO’s (Catastrophe At Take Off). Mongooses die in seconds, Mantis mechs get decimated by DMR fire on Ragnarok and every other map I have seen them on.
Main Problems
DMR and other loadout weapons too effective against vehicles, especially DMR.
Plasma Grenades shouldn’t be available on spawn.
Plasma Pistol makes vehicle life spans extremely short and are used to the point where people simply walk past vacant vehicles because of it.
Ordinance drops at about mid to late game come in so much that there is such an overload of power weapons that vehicles are deathtraps.
Solution- decrease ordinance drops, remove PP and PG from loadouts, nerf loadout weapon effectiveness, especially DMR, and increase vehicle health or tie to player health like in H2/H3.
You can’t remove it entirely.
I think the Plasma Pistol is completely fine. I do think Plasma Grenades should be toned down to 1 though.
And overall, I have rarely have problems with either one of these. In any vehicle. If I die, it’s because they got lucky, I wasn’t doing it right, or they used enough of their people to finally get me.
lol yeah sure remove it…and then is going to be ‘‘less broken’’
and then the banshee guys and gauss hog guys are gonna take the match ALWAYS
100% no broken gameplay
if u got problems with the both plasma nightmares, just be more careful
i saw lot of people, (even me a couple of times) who survived many times with the vehicles all the match against plasma weapons.