I never read Glasslands and this is just from what I hear on these Forums. Why exactly are the Sangheili letting the Jiralhanae work on their on planet, Sangheilios. Last time I checked, Elites and Brutes hate each other and the elites were hunting down every last Brute they could find.
What the heck was Karen Traviss thinking with this?!
Slaves?
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Could be but as far as I know, the Elites would rather kills Brutes than let them anywhere near Sangheilios, Slaves or not. But thats just from what I know.
Manual labour?
The Sangheili have to relearn how to do things other than be warriors. They have a society where eveytime wants ONE job, and a society like that will fall.
So I’m sure that for now, they’d like whatever help they can get.
That and they view Humanity as the greater threat. Brutes are on the defensive in the Sangheili - Jiralhane war. The prophets have left them, and they are fighting amongst themselves.
Humanity on the other hand was beat multiple times and is still standing. Without the combined force of the Covenant, who knows how strong they’ll become. At least that’s what the Sangheili think.
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> Could be but as far as I know, the Elites would rather kills Brutes than let them anywhere near Sangheilios, Slaves or not. But thats just from what I know.
They are Brutes that stayed loyal to the Elites during the Great Schism and so the Elites allow them to live as slaves.
Has anyone ever figured that maybe not every single Sanghelian is single minded, but are just as diverse as humanity is?
Meaning that while yes, the majority hate the Jiralhanae, some respect them as equals, and vice versa. And perhaps some brutes have offered themselves as slaves, laborers, etc and the elite have accepted to to an extent? Life under labor or death?
In a society with intellectuals and free will, everyone has an opinion, and i think Karen is trying to introduce that alien societies are in some degree just like us.
I don’t remember any word of them being slaves. They were loyal during their civil war in the Covenant, and after the war they were allowed to stay. I think I remember reading after the war a few Jiralhanae have stolen some of the Sangheili warships in the book Glasslands.
If that’s the case they have exceptional freedom if they were “slaves”.
They’re basically being used as slaves for the Sangheili…the real reason they’re there though, I think anyways, is because Karen Traviss didn’t do enough research. She should have known better than that…after the Schism started you would not find a Brute living anywhere near any kind of Elite planet, settlement, colony, or ship…once word of the Great Schism ogt out, or the Brutes started slaughtering Elites, any Brute on said places the Elites came across would be killed either in battle or preemptively. So there shouldn’t be any Brutes at all on Sangheilios. So yeah, basically it’s because of either A) a lack of research on Traviss part, or B) 343i deciding to just sort of ignore the implications of the Great Schism.
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> The Sangheili have to relearn how to do things other than be warriors. They have a society where eveytime wants ONE job, and a society like that will fall.
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> So I’m sure that for now, they’d like whatever help they can get.
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> That and they view Humanity as the greater threat. Brutes are on the defensive in the Sangheili - Jiralhane war. The prophets have left them, and they are fighting amongst themselves.
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> Humanity on the other hand was beat multiple times and is still standing. Without the combined force of the Covenant, who knows how strong they’ll become. At least that’s what the Sangheili think.
The Elites already have non-warriors, this is all talked about in Cole Protocol, there are Elite serfs, basically, who are deemed unfit for being warriors and are given such tasks as building on Sangheilios, or taking care of the fields or other kinds of menial civilian labor. They’re not helpless nincompoops when it comes to anything but fighting like Traviss portrayed them to be.
And as for that bit about Humanity, that’s actually not true, like at all, only a very small minority of Elites feel that way about humans and the UNSC, contrary to what Traviss would have you think. The majority either don’t care, or are outright Human sympathizers like the Arbiter…especially amongst the Sangheili youth.
> They’re basically being used as slaves for the Sangheili…the real reason they’re there though, I think anyways, is because Karen Traviss didn’t do enough research. She should have known better than that…after the Schism started you would not find a Brute living anywhere near any kind of Elite planet, settlement, colony, or ship…once word of the Great Schism ogt out, or the Brutes started slaughtering Elites, any Brute on said places the Elites came across would be killed either in battle or preemptively. So there shouldn’t be any Brutes at all on Sangheilios. So yeah, basically it’s because of either <mark>A) a lack of research on Traviss part</mark>, or B) 343i deciding to just sort of ignore the implications of the Great Schism.
That seems like a likely reason. Traviss probably not doing much research. Even if the Sangheili have diverse mindsets like Humanity or something I don’t think any of the Sangheili will ever let Brutes work for them. The Brutes were ordered to launch complete Genocide on all the Elites during the Great Schism, I would think that none of the Elites would EVER forgive them. Traviss really needs to do more research imo.
> <mark>Has anyone ever figured that maybe not every single Sanghelian is single minded, but are just as diverse as humanity is?</mark>
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> Meaning that while yes, the majority hate the Jiralhanae, some respect them as equals, and vice versa. And perhaps some brutes have offered themselves as slaves, laborers, etc and the elite have accepted to to an extent? Life under labor or death?
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> In a society with intellectuals and free will, everyone has an opinion, and i think Karen is trying to introduce that alien societies are in some degree just like us.
How well do you think Israeli’s would react to a neo--Yoink!- living in Jerusalem? Probably not very well and I imagine the same would apply here. You can rightly make the claim the Elite’s aren’t single-minded, but after the Brutes murdered numerous Elites on High Charity, Delta Halo, New Mombasa, across the Covenant fleets and then ATE their corpses after slaying them, good luck reconciling that. And what do we see in Glasslands? We see some Brutes working fine, but we also see Brutes stealing Elite ships.
And just wait until you read Thursday War, you’ll see how well the decision to allow the Brutes on Sanghelios went. After all, there is a reason the Elites hunted down the Brutes up to 2559.
Karen just messed up, simple as that.
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Whoops sorry, looks like the grammar police caught me.
> > <mark>Has anyone ever figured that maybe not every single Sanghelian is single minded, but are just as diverse as humanity is?</mark>
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> > Meaning that while yes, the majority hate the Jiralhanae, some respect them as equals, and vice versa. And perhaps some brutes have offered themselves as slaves, laborers, etc and the elite have accepted to to an extent? Life under labor or death?
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> > In a society with intellectuals and free will, everyone has an opinion, and i think Karen is trying to introduce that alien societies are in some degree just like us.
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> How well do you think Israeli’s would react to a neo--Yoink!- living in Jerusalem? Probably not very well and I imagine the same would apply here. You can rightly make the claim the Elite’s aren’t single-minded, but after the Brutes murdered numerous Elites on High Charity, Delta Halo, New Mombasa, across the Covenant fleets and then ATE their corpses after slaying them, good luck reconciling that. And what do we see in Glasslands? We see some Brutes working fine, but we also see Brutes stealing Elite ships.
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> And just wait until you read Thursday War, you’ll see how well the decision to allow the Brutes on Sanghelios went. After all, there is a reason the Elites hunted down the Brutes up to 2559.
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> Karen just messed up, simple as that.
I understand your point, and yea Karen made alot of mistakes in regard to canon issues and what not, but this is my justification to brutes being on Sanghelios.
But on the issue of what you stated, its a two-way street, one can claim this one another claims that. While the ex-covenant Elites would gut a brute joyfully, perhaps ( i say that lightly) the public (females, children, non warrior elites) don’t exactly have a media to put across public ideas like the eating corpses and similar bruteful acts. So others who don’t know to well would just do whatever they do to the Brutes without knowing their atrocities.
Not being single-minded also goes for the Brutes too you know.
I bet that you don’t even know what atrocities the people in the Middle East are doing to POW’s as we speak…exactly my point.
> > They’re basically being used as slaves for the Sangheili…the real reason they’re there though, I think anyways, is because Karen Traviss didn’t do enough research. She should have known better than that…after the Schism started you would not find a Brute living anywhere near any kind of Elite planet, settlement, colony, or ship…once word of the Great Schism ogt out, or the Brutes started slaughtering Elites, any Brute on said places the Elites came across would be killed either in battle or preemptively. So there shouldn’t be any Brutes at all on Sangheilios. So yeah, basically it’s because of either <mark>A) a lack of research on Traviss part</mark>, or B) 343i deciding to just sort of ignore the implications of the Great Schism.
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> That seems like a likely reason. Traviss probably not doing much research. Even if the Sangheili have diverse mindsets like Humanity or something I don’t think any of the Sangheili will ever let Brutes work for them. The Brutes were ordered to launch complete Genocide on all the Elites during the Great Schism, I would think that none of the Elites would EVER forgive them. Traviss really needs to do more research imo.
And not to mention that the Brutes and Elites never got along before then either, the genocide during the Great Schism is just the final nail in the coffin and the straw that broke the camels back and actually got them to actively fight each other. But yeah, I don’t ever see Brutes and Elites, due to how they both are, ever getting along again…or at least not for a good damn long while, would probably take several generations for them to even be on speaking terms if you ask me >_> …especially since the Brutes have never regretted it or anything, they’d just as soon do it again if they could…unlike the situation with the Elites are in with humanity where they’re actually expressed some regret about the whole war and acknowledge that they were in the wrong…and if not trying to make amends at least want to leave humanity alone now.
I’d like to think that Brutes as a race aren’t all exactly the same, so single-minded, so savage and uncivilised. I’d really like to think that a handful of Brutes are actually intelligent, disciplined and open-minded to the events of Halo 3 and the true nature of the Great Journey and the Halos.
That said I find the idea of Elites and Brutes working together bizarre and unintuitive and just… unbalanced. It doesn’t feel like right to me.
It’s like the events of Halo 2 and Halo 3 have just been forgotten. Or just bad storytelling.
> I’d like to think that Brutes as a race aren’t all exactly the same, so single-minded, so savage and uncivilised. I’d really like to think that a handful of Brutes are actually intelligent, disciplined and open-minded to the events of Halo 3 and the true nature of the Great Journey and the Halos.
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> <mark>It’s like the events of Halo 2 and Halo 3 have just been forgotten.</mark> Or just bad storytelling.
Likely so, considering Master Chief and the Arbiter killed everyone who was involved in the conflict…and High Charity being completely consumed and destroyed. Te loyalist covenant being disbanded and destroyed.
It’s not bad storytelling, its realistic storytelling.
> I understand your point, and yea Karen made alot of mistakes in regard to canon issues and what not, but this is my justification to brutes being on Sanghelios.
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> But on the issue of what you stated, its a two-way street, one can claim this one another claims that. While the ex-covenant Elites would gut a brute joyfully, perhaps ( i say that lightly) the public (females, children, non warrior elites) don’t exactly have a media to put across public ideas like the eating corpses and similar bruteful acts. So others who don’t know to well would just do whatever they do to the Brutes without knowing their atrocities.
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> Not being single-minded also goes for the Brutes too you know.
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> I bet that you don’t even know what atrocities the people in the Middle East are doing to POW’s as we speak…exactly my point.
How would they not know of the atrocities of the Brutes? Their actions were shown all throughout the Covenant fleet, you think nobody would’ve pointed that out? Why else does Jul assume 'Telcam’s cults execution of the Elite who destroyed the Forerunner spire was the work of Brutes? Either way though, just read Thursday War when you get the chance when it releases, you’ll see how open and accepting the civilian Elites are when you find out what was behind the cliffhanger at the end of Glasslands.
I was going to say read the Thursday war as well.
And these jiralhane likely did not attack there and “stayed loyal” to the sangheili because they were surrounded by them.
Could be slaves like everyone else is saying but my opinion is the Brutes who are siding on the Separatists side are the smart ones. Right now they’re in a civil war with one another no thanks to the Prophet of Truth for lying to everyone he was the one who cooped up this idea for himself. The majority of Brutes serving under the Elites is very slim because their species’ hates Elites so there is probably not many a small number perhaps. The high majority is on the Loyalists side. The Brute species’ fate is unknown but it looks like the species will go to extinction if they keep fighting each other which the ship master on the Return has stated. Once again the Brutes are in a civil war with each other. Brute civil wars are bad it doesn’t end.
When the Covenant found the Brutes in 2492, the Brutes were still in a civil war. The Brutes discovered radio and rocketry again thanks to the Covenant. This means the Brutes had technology but lost it when civil wars that never end for years break out. They even change religions they used to worship totem poles.
> > <mark>Has anyone ever figured that maybe not every single Sanghelian is single minded, but are just as diverse as humanity is?</mark>
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> > Meaning that while yes, the majority hate the Jiralhanae, some respect them as equals, and vice versa. And perhaps some brutes have offered themselves as slaves, laborers, etc and the elite have accepted to to an extent? Life under labor or death?
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> > In a society with intellectuals and free will, everyone has an opinion, and i think Karen is trying to introduce that alien societies are in some degree just like us.
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> How well do you think Israeli’s would react to a neo--Yoink!- living in Jerusalem? Probably not very well and I imagine the same would apply here. You can rightly make the claim the Elite’s aren’t single-minded, but after the Brutes murdered numerous Elites on High Charity, Delta Halo, New Mombasa, across the Covenant fleets and then ATE their corpses after slaying them, good luck reconciling that. And what do we see in Glasslands? We see some Brutes working fine, but we also see Brutes stealing Elite ships.
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> And just wait until you read Thursday War, you’ll see how well the decision to allow the Brutes on Sanghelios went. After all, there is a reason the Elites hunted down the Brutes up to 2559.
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> Karen just messed up, simple as that.
I personally think your comparison to a neo--Yoink!- living in Jerusalem is a bit extreme in this case. I’m not saying I disagree with your point, but I think I disagree with how it was portrayed. We can deal in absolutes, but that was a bit too absolute for my tastes.