Dr. Halsey in two places at once? August 29, 2552

So I’m rereading my 2001 copy of Halo The Fall of Reach and I notice that on August 29th 2552 Dr. Halsey is at USC Military Reservation 01478-B planet Reach. However, in the game Halo Reach, Dr. Halsey is deep inside the cave systems under Sword Base on August 29, 2552 after she was presumed dead by Noble Team during bombardments of the planet Reach. This is also long after the Long Night of Solace was destroyed in the game and the massive Covenant fleet went on the full force attack of Reach, but again in the book she’s giving Chief the Mark V armor for the first time to have him “test it”.

This creates so many contradictions it’s not even funny. How is Halsey in 2 very different and distant areas that same day? On top of that how is Dr. Halsey presumed “KIA” in official reports to some of the UNSC (Noble Team, Colonel Holland, etc.) but alive and well to everyone else in the UNSC including the other Spartans, Colonel Ackerson, etc.? How do John and the other Spartan II’s not know about the Covenant’s attack on Reach with that many Covenant ships appearing above and attacking Reach? Why in the hell would Dr. Halsey not tell them about the on going attack especially the same day she gives John new armor? Wouldn’t that be a good opportunity for the Spartans to move ahead with operation Red Flag, capture a Covenant vessel and try to find the Covenant home world? Why if Noble Team was already using Mark V Mjolnir would she have John complete a test of the Mark V armor if it was already being used and proven effective by Noble Team? None of that makes any sense!

Could someone please explain to me if there has been any semblance of a reasonable explanation for all of that? Since Reach came out I’ve essentially disregarded Halo Reach the game as canon but honestly, how did Bungie screw up their own material so bad?

This is off the top of my head so it could be wrong.

The 2001 book used UNSC time and not reach time, while the Reach game and the “updated” reach book use the correct times.

Essentially theirs “UNSC” time and "reach’ time. Most likely your getting one of those mixed up.

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> This is off the top of my head so it could be wrong.
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> The 2001 book used UNSC time and not reach time, while the Reach game and the “updated” reach book use the correct times.
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> Essentially theirs “UNSC” time and "reach’ time. Most likely your getting one of those mixed up.

In the book it says “(Military Calendar)” but honestly how far off are those dates and how does it explain the armor and everything else? A lot of this doesn’t make sense. Heck I even looked on Halopedia and it says this:

"August 29

  • John-117 receives a neural interface upgrade, MJOLNIR Mark V armor, and is introduced to Cortana.
  • Noble Team is ordered to destroy Sword Base in a torch-and-burn op. During the operation, Noble Team makes their way inside Sword Base where they encounter Dr. Halsey, who asks them to protect her lab. Noble Team is then given direct orders to escort a fragment of Cortana holding crucial data from the Babd Catha Forerunner complexto the Pillar of Autumn. Halsey is then escorted back to CASTLE Base by Jun-A266."

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> > This is off the top of my head so it could be wrong.
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> > The 2001 book used UNSC time and not reach time, while the Reach game and the “updated” reach book use the correct times.
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> > Essentially theirs “UNSC” time and "reach’ time. Most likely your getting one of those mixed up.
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> In the book it says “(Military Calendar)” but honestly how far off are those dates and how does it explain the armor and everything else? A lot of this doesn’t make sense. Heck I even looked on Halopedia and it says this:
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> “August 29
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> - John-117 receives a neural interface upgrade, MJOLNIR Mark V armor, and is introduced to Cortana.
> - Noble Team is ordered to destroy Sword Base in a torch-and-burn op. During the operation, Noble Team makes their way inside Sword Base where they encounter Dr. Halsey, who asks them to protect her lab. Noble Team is then given direct orders to escort a fragment of Cortana holding crucial data from the Babd Catha Forerunner complexto the Pillar of Autumn. Halsey is then escorted back to CASTLE Base by Jun-A266.”

Well if you probably already know… but Reach is a frigging bag of worms already… so… its kinda like Frankenstein

Here’s a Link to halo Canon’s fall of reach timeline… he might answer some of your burning questions…

The spartans IIs were intentionally kept in the dark by ONI. I don’t exactly remember why. (Apologies i don’t have my books on me atm). Why the planet did not tell them is because of some kinda communication jamming bubble and clocking… It’s kinda stupid, but as John was getting his armor… and thinking his planet was never going to fall… Cities were burning… (LOL).

Halsey is Halsey… She probably either dint know, or figured she could keep her spartans alive better that way. Oh, Red Flag was supposed to happen on reach, but NOBLE messed it up due to blowing up the carrier (com blackout).

The armor makes no sense… I agree… But ONI shenanigans i guess.

Finally I believe that halsey’s being in 2 places at once is because of the time difference.

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> > > Essentially theirs “UNSC” time and "reach’ time. Most likely your getting one of those mixed up.
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> > In the book it says “(Military Calendar)” but honestly how far off are those dates and how does it explain the armor and everything else? A lot of this doesn’t make sense. Heck I even looked on Halopedia and it says this:
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> > “August 29
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> > - John-117 receives a neural interface upgrade, MJOLNIR Mark V armor, and is introduced to Cortana.
> > - Noble Team is ordered to destroy Sword Base in a torch-and-burn op. During the operation, Noble Team makes their way inside Sword Base where they encounter Dr. Halsey, who asks them to protect her lab. Noble Team is then given direct orders to escort a fragment of Cortana holding crucial data from the Babd Catha Forerunner complexto the Pillar of Autumn. Halsey is then escorted back to CASTLE Base by Jun-A266.”
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> Well if you probably already know… but Reach is a frigging bag of worms already… so… its kinda like Frankenstein
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> Here’s a Link to halo Canon’s fall of reach timeline… he might answer some of your burning questions…
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> The spartans IIs were intentionally kept in the dark by ONI. I don’t exactly remember why. (Apologies i don’t have my books on me atm). Why the planet did not tell them is because of some kinda communication jamming bubble and clocking… It’s kinda stupid, but as John was getting his armor… and thinking his planet was never going to fall… Cities were burning… (LOL).
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> Halsey is Halsey… She probably either dint know, or figured she could keep her spartans alive better that way. Oh, Red Flag was supposed to happen on reach, but NOBLE messed it up due to blowing up the carrier (com blackout).
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> The armor makes no sense… I agree… But ONI shenanigans i guess.
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> Finally I believe that halsey’s being in 2 places at once is because of the time difference.

Thanks for the replies and links. Another thing that comes to mind is later in the book First Strike Dr. Halsey finds a file called SIII that she hacks into to find about the Spartan IIIs for the first time. This also supposedly long after she met up with Noble Team and had been escorted by Jun to Castle Base so she had to have already known about the Spartan III’s as far as Reach the game is concerned but in First Strike she clearly had no idea. Some theorized that she assumed the others in Noble Team aside from Jorge-052 were the second class of Spartans but that second class had it’s funding pulled and was cancelled and it is extremely unlikely that Halsey wouldn’t personally know every a Spartan project that she started. This also makes no sense to me.

Glassed planets have bad records.

That is the whole is “Halo: Reach” canon or not. There is quite a few canon issues when comparing the game with the books.

Dr. Halsey did play with cloning to create Cortana. Maybe she left a clone or two behind. Se had a pretty busy schedule back in the day…

Halo: Reach was the worst game in the entire series when it came to lore and story.

I really enjoyed the game as it was, don’t get me wrong, but they royally -Yoinked!- up the established canon! Which I never understand why, because they had such a rich amount of cannon to work with…
In terms of lore the only thing I accept as properly cannon from Halo: Reach is Jun surviving. His character is the only character generated from that game that actually becomes important in the expanded lore.

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> Glassed planets have bad records.

Is that your subtle way of telling me to “stop digging”? XD

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> Halo: Reach was the worst game in the entire series when it came to lore and story.
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> I really enjoyed the game as it was, don’t get me wrong, but they royally -Yoinked!- up the established canon! Which I never understand why, because they had such a rich amount of cannon to work with…
> In terms of lore the only thing I accept as properly cannon from Halo: Reach is Jun surviving. His character is the only character generated from that game that actually becomes important in the expanded lore.

I don’t even consider that canon. Where was Jun when it comes to the book "First Strike "?

Certainly a big hole in Jun’s escape from Reach, Trigger Happy M
Perhaps he escaped by alternative means? Got separated from Halsey? No idea…
But he was important in the lore in the early stages of the Spartan IV program…

I really enjoyed Reach when it came out, but after learning of some of this stuff it was kind of a bummer they did what they did. I really love the idea of this seperate conflict going on in the background and Chief & co. being helped without even knowing it, but I do feel they could have gone about it better.

Some things I do get what they were going for; The whole “Not notifying the planet” thing I could kind of see because when you look at Reach, most of the game is a pretty isolated situation: You’re fighting a relatively small Covie fighting force on one sparsely-populated territory. I could assume the idea is that the UNSC figured it could Shock and Awe the invasion force and snuff em’ out before anything bad happened, so there’d be no need to cause an immediate uproar.

Then there’s stuff like the Halsey/Cortana and Pillar of Autumn thing where it seems Bungie simply wanted to make the player feel important to the events leading directly into CE. For what it’s worth I think it was done well, Reach had a fantastic ending. But it does kind of suck that it doesn’t line up with the book at the same time.

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> I really enjoyed Reach when it came out, but after learning of some of this stuff it was kind of a bummer they did what they did. I really love the idea of this seperate conflict going on in the background and Chief & co. being helped without even knowing it, but I do feel they could have gone about it better.
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> Some things I do get what they were going for; The whole “Not notifying the planet” thing I could kind of see because when you look at Reach, most of the game is a pretty isolated situation: You’re fighting a relatively small Covie fighting force on one sparsely-populated territory. I could assume the idea is that the UNSC figured it could Shock and Awe the invasion force and snuff em’ out before anything bad happened, so there’d be no need to cause an immediate uproar.
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> Then there’s stuff like the Halsey/Cortana and Pillar of Autumn thing where it seems Bungie simply wanted to make the player feel important to the events leading directly into CE. For what it’s worth I think it was done well, Reach had a fantastic ending. But it does kind of suck that it doesn’t line up with the book at the same time.

That’s what I’m getting at. I’m not saying Reach is a bad game by any means, just that it’s campaign really doesn’t make sense.

On top of that I do not believe Spartan III’s were even capable of using Mjolnir Mark V armor let alone armor that hadn’t been fully tested yet.

I actually kind of wish we had gotten a game dedicated to training and fighting as a true Spartan III using SPI armor. Though… I think the ESRB would have problem with a game with a mission where nearly 300 twelve year old super soldiers are slaughtered.

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> > I really enjoyed the game as it was, don’t get me wrong, but they royally -Yoinked!- up the established canon! Which I never understand why, because they had such a rich amount of cannon to work with…
> > In terms of lore the only thing I accept as properly cannon from Halo: Reach is Jun surviving. His character is the only character generated from that game that actually becomes important in the expanded lore.
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Not on Reach clearly

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> > I really enjoyed Reach when it came out, but after learning of some of this stuff it was kind of a bummer they did what they did. I really love the idea of this seperate conflict going on in the background and Chief & co. being helped without even knowing it, but I do feel they could have gone about it better.
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> > Some things I do get what they were going for; The whole “Not notifying the planet” thing I could kind of see because when you look at Reach, most of the game is a pretty isolated situation: You’re fighting a relatively small Covie fighting force on one sparsely-populated territory. I could assume the idea is that the UNSC figured it could Shock and Awe the invasion force and snuff em’ out before anything bad happened, so there’d be no need to cause an immediate uproar.
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> > Then there’s stuff like the Halsey/Cortana and Pillar of Autumn thing where it seems Bungie simply wanted to make the player feel important to the events leading directly into CE. For what it’s worth I think it was done well, Reach had a fantastic ending. But it does kind of suck that it doesn’t line up with the book at the same time.
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> That’s what I’m getting at. I’m not saying Reach is a bad game by any means, just that it’s campaign really doesn’t make sense.
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> On top of that I do not believe Spartan III’s were even capable of using Mjolnir Mark V armor let alone armor that hadn’t been fully tested yet.
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> I actually kind of wish we had gotten a game dedicated to training and fighting as a true Spartan III using SPI armor. Though… I think the ESRB would have problem with a game with a mission where nearly 300 twelve year old super soldiers are slaughtered.

I think a bunch of this kind of stems from Halo’s expanded lore being so limited in the first place. I mean, Spartans barely existed right before the games’ main antagonists appeared, and then on top of that they weren’t even completed up to game standard until the end of the war. And there weren’t many II’s to begin with.

Spartan-III’s were added, but due to them being used for suicide missions where only, what, two survived in-canon at the time, there wasn’t much room to do anything cool with them. What I’ll say about Reach’s use of Spartan-III’s and Mark V is that it opened at least some opportunity to save some III’s with special pullouts like Noble, and Chief’s team may not have been the ONLY ones to receive a version of Halo’s signature tech.