Not going to lie I started laughing hysterically when I first read that masterpiece of a sentence.
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lol, I probably need to just woman up and play it through then.
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I think the tank gun is getting a lot of the attention here but I havenāt seen many mentions of the infinite dig site skip that allows you to progress from mission 5 directly to the end of mission 13 the road into mission 14. Literally half the campaign can be skipped with or without the tank gun. At the end of the day this is on 343.
If 343 had issues with legendary runs, speed runs and LASO runs being tainted by glitches they should have disabled these achievements from the first week of launch. Itās even worse now because the achievements are all tainted. Now 5-6 months later they want to patch the issues, etc? I donāt get it. You have people that earned the achievements without the glitches and those who did. No fault of the playerbase I honestly blame 343ās slow walking of these issues.
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In my humble opinion, skips and secrets that donāt cause the game to inherently break, damage the platform itās on, or cause degrading experiences shouldnāt really be patched out. Itās little things like this that speed runners care about and people form a talking point around.
It would totally suck if 1 year down the road everyone references the tank gun or skip and some newbie be like Skip??? Tank Gun??? Itās not like it totally destroys the gameplay experience because the game doesnāt break down for using the gun.
You can also technically cross the entire map in seconds by using the Fusion Coil Grapple trick and thatās honestly so much fun that if it were removed I think itāll cause an even greater uproar.
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I agree, the point Iām making is they remove the tank gun ā¦ where does it stop/end? What else is on the chopping block? I donāt think these harm the game in anyway. I was going to do my LASO run in infinite regardless of how many glitches, skips, etc that there are. Did the skips and the tank gun make things easier? Absolutely but I would have done it without or without the glitches, I did all LASOs in MCC in 2020 and 2021 after the checkpoint bugs were patched. Infiniteās LASO with Bandana and no Iron skull was easier than any MCC LASO in my view. Maybe it comes close to some of the MCC games without the mission skips and without the tank gun but itās considerably easier.
Every halo game has glitches, quirks etc. I think if 343 thought the tank gun was an issue they should have acted on it upon launch. These things werenāt intended to be used in the game but they are here and have been used. It is what it is. Now they are fixing it going forward but they waited over 5 months to address the issue. Not a good look on 343.
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Just disable achievements when someone picks it up.
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I came across a Halo Waypoint forum recently. The guy that made the post provided a simple yet elegant solution. In short, add in a new achievement or unlockable of high value (like a complete armor set) for people who complete Halo: Infinite LASO without the Tank Gun.
With that as a solution, there can be some distinction between people who have either completed LASO with the tank gun, without the tank gun, or neither. Hereās the link for anyone interested. It has a pretty clever name if I do say so myself.
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/new-achievement-tank-doesnt-beat-everything/512356
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This is a valid point but if 343 doesnāt patch the dig site mission 5 to mission 14 skip with the laser beams LASO in my view is still tainted without the tank gun. I finished my run yesterday and I only had to complete the following missions: 1-4, part of 5, 8, 14 & 15. You can skip over half of the campaign on any run. The point I have been making though is why did 343 let the tank gun glitch go on for 5 months before addressing? What that tells me is that it wasnāt a priority to them, why punish and remove it from the game months later? They could have easily disabled certain achievements shortly after launch until they were able to address but that wasnāt a priority to 343. Disabling the tank gun in my view months later is even worse because a good amount of the community has been using the gun by now that has played the campaign.
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the tank gun is that big of a deal at all.
there are more worst glitchās in the game that speedrunners use and have use.
glitch you out off the map on some missions and enter the ceiling outside from the map easy.
or there skip a lot off mission parts like in the first mission where the 2 bruteās come down with the elevator and there skip the part after that and enter the final stage more by glitching then to the door to the other side where the last part starts more.
and its still wierd to keep stuff like that active for 5 long monthās and now start to fix it when you need to fix things like that at the start from the game release more and not wait monthās with it.
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You know thereās an all mission no tank gun category for world records on Halo Runs, right? Thus far, only one person has a wr on Halo Runs. If there was enough of an audience interest for a separate category for glitchless runs, I would think that the people in charge would create such a category.
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Thatās exactly the point Iām making. If the tank gun was that big of an issue it should have been addressed by 343 back in December. It is what it is. Moves like make me question the decisions being made by 343 for halo and infinite in general.
The point Iām making is where is the line with glitches, etc? All campaigns have had them. I am fine with glitches, etc in the game thatās not the issue. The issue I have is 343 dropping the ball, then they are now fixing the issue 5 months later. I understand the tank gun was never meant to be in the campaign but thatās on 343.
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on this point i agree with you.
i not know if you have play cod MW2 on the xbox 360.
but there have on some multiplayer maps some glitches we have use in the online multiplayer matchās also and it was not that a big of a deal at all.
since one off then was that you can enter on the roof of a building thanks to a glitch so it was a perfect spot for snipers but at some point it was a knowing spot so a lot keep a eye on that spot also.
there are a lot off others also but it was more a funny glitch and not a game breaking one.
what i think more is that there have been keep fixing to much on the multiplayer glitchās and bugs and also problems to much and not split the diffrends with it and also do the some work on the campaign problems also.
look at the glitchās the speedrunners use by skip mission parts that easy can be fix with some kill barriers outside the mission building so you get killet by the kill barrier if you glitch you out off the mission building to the ceiling from that mission more.
same with some parts on the first mission there use to skip some parts at some kill barriers there that you cant come there yet.
that are the best fixās there is to fix then fast and do the big fix later on when you got more time for it.
and why not keep the tank gun and give it more limit ammo and that you cant pick it up after its emty and its only be pick able after you compleet the campaign on all 14 missions.
then you keep the fun from it after you compleet the 14 missions still in it and you stop the speedrunners for using it.
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I used to play MW2 years ago and I remember the roof glitch. I agree glitches arenāt always bad etc but 343 should be able to walk and chew gum but clearly they cannot. I understand as well every game has bugs flaws etc but itās the response (or lack thereof) to issues that arise that are critical to a gameās development and support.
Iām not implying either that the multiplayer bugs and glitches arenāt important but they dragged their feet with fixing the campaign. I get it as well no one expected the game to perfect but the slow walking of infinite in my view is why the player base has collapsed. People donāt want to wait months and months with little updates and no roadmap, again this all points back to 343 and how they handle infinite.
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its not only from the slow walking with things by fixing the multiplayer more.
but the problems why it has collepsed is more with the wrong choose there have taking more with it in general more in the developing more.
one off then is making the multiplayer F2P is one off the wrong choose there have done.
since you can have a good working multiplayer but you will never going to fix the big problems with the wrong choose from it.
we have a cheater problem you cant fix that with a anti cheat software at all so thats a problem we keep having thanks to F2P.
the battlepass is also something you can tell its a big problem more.
that are all wrong choose there have taking and the player base has collapsed.
true with that.
we not need to have any dateās when for exemple Co-Op or forge is comming but more the roadmap from we are now working on the Co-Op for the campaign mode now and after that is forge the next thing we are going to work on something like that is for a lot off players all good.
and what also is missing is that there help us in the hot topicās on the forum more that there explane it to use more.
for exemple the crossplay system what are now there plans with it now.
from is there a off/on option comming or not.
then you give for me and a lot off other xbox console players a point of view if its staying with force or becoming a option at some point.
same with the BR topic that has become hot again.
tell now if there are plans for a BR or not to make it clear for good and not what you see now.
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This is why the community hates 343, they take away something fans enjoy, no one asked for this to be removed, if they did they can just not pick it up
Now i got to rush the game on easy to get the last skull and try to get through laso before May
God they canāt fix something simple like making the weekly ultimate swappable but they do this, Iām so close to dropping this game
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One part that has made many of these glitches possible in Halo Infinite is that the load zones do usually appear on the map immediately and that the campaign is stable enought that you are only forced to hit a small portion of the load zones to progress. This can be contrasted to Two Betrayals in Halo CE where you are pretty much forced to hit every single loadzone in sequence to complete the mission.
However, it should always be noted that speedrunners are quite creative any will always attempt to complete the objective as quickly as possible. If there exist a strategy that allows the player to skip a portion of the game, they will most certainly use it as long as the strategy is reliable enough and this can include everything like breaking out of maps, teleporting or launching.
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and thats what 343 thinks about the tank gun more when thats not the problem at all.
since speedrunners always find glitch to skip the boss fightās more.
like there use how to skip the escharum boss fight by using a glitch to make it so that you have defeat it by glitching it so that there is no fight with it at all.
that are the parts where 343 needs to focus on more that there make sure there cant glitch out off the map layout at all.
what you told about from halo CE two betrayals is something working maybe but what helps the more is a kill barrier more.
for exemple on the first missiong when the 2 bruteās are comming down with the elevator there skip that part to the part where you need to run away more since the ship is about to destroy more.
so a kill barrier is the best solution that is going to stop then for skiping that part.
same with the other missions where there glitch out off the misison map is a kill barrier the best solution.
that the glitch not has been fix is no problem at all.
since a kill barrier is doing its work more for it.
you need to try this more on a save file.
after you compleet the second mission and clear your first base where the tank gun easter egg is.
you enter the area where the Tower mission starts.
you most then try to enter one off the other area that are more locked and you see there using a kill barrier more there so why not on the missions where players glitch there way out not also.
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Yes, and it probably wonāt stop with the tank gun either. No one asked for it to be removed but in my view the tank gun isnāt the issue. If it was that big of a problem for 343 why leave it in the game for 5 months?
The mission skips etc. will probably get patched at some point as well. LASO itself isnāt that bad. I was thinking it would take me a week or two I actually got through it in 2 days. I spent a few hours each day. The tank gun and skips helped a lot.
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Glad i got LASO done before they do this.
Helped a ton to have it.
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Halo 4 has kill barriers, yet you can still pull many out-of-bounds tricks in almost every level.
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