Don't Make the Same Mistakes Twice

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Ok, I know for a fact that there’s a 90% chance that I won’t be getting an Xbox One or Halo 5, but that still doesn’t excuse the large amount of Halo fans that will be getting the xbox one just to find out what happens to the Chief next. The people who are doing that are who I feel are hardcore Halo fans, NOT 343i fans, NOT Bungie fans, NOT Microsoft fans.

That being said I hope 343i knows that these fans will be looking for a great Halo experience. Not some sub par, “modern era” Halo game with flashy graphics but something worth their 560 dollars.

I’m not saying 343i should copy and paste Halo CE-3, nor am I saying they should copy and paste halo 4 (oh sweet mercy DON’T!). I’m saying that they should learn what drew people away from Halo 4 and correct their mistakes. If people say they like AA’s, keep them! If people say they hate ordinance, LOSE IT! If people recall those amazing times back in Halo CE/2/3, RECREATE THEM! Make people want to play the -BLAM- game!

Please 343i, take a poll, hire ACTUAL Halo fans, do something to improve your game! Because if all you want to do is squeeze the utter of the cash cow both you and Microsoft are gonna lose a LOT of fans.

Fans come first, everything else second.

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I will be getting the xbox one just for halo 5. From one fan to another thanks and you should join us in Halo reclaiming its #1 spot, And show people again why they need an Xbox!

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Firing the writer’s of Spartan Ops wouldn’t hurt, I think. Indeed, better writing quality and a deeper, more involved campaign would be a good idea.

Just as important is keeping the gameplay evolving and improving. I fear that games such as Crysis (having recently had a chance to acquire the console port of the second game, I must sadly say I am having a load more fun playing it that I did Halo 4) are passing it by because they’ve taken the “Halo” formula (you are a soft spoke post-human, power-armored supersoldier deployed as Mankind’s last hope against the alien threat (though granted is isn’t exactly a formula Halo invented)) and improved it with the ability to modify your power armor on the fly at any instant (For example, do I wish to run at 80+ MPH? Do I want to kick that car across a street? Do I want to go invisible? Or am I stuck in the middle of an open firefight and need to double my suit’s armor long enough for me to reach safety?).

Halo doesn’t need to necessarily copy that whole-cloth, but it does need to amp up the Chief and whatever other Spartan we happen to be playing as, since at present, all he really feels like in the game is a UNSC marine with a bigger health bar. In sum: make him more like Book Chief please. :stuck_out_tongue:

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The problem is halo 4 was a success as far as sales,they have no reason to change anything. As long as it says halo on it they will milk every last dime out of it. They won’t listen to the community, they can’t even admit that halo4 is crap and not what anyone asked for. Halo is dead short of a miracle which is pretty much not gonna happen.

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> The problem is halo 4 was a success as far as sales,they have no reason to change anything. As long as it says halo on it they will milk every last dime out of it. They won’t listen to the community, they can’t even admit that halo4 is crap and not what anyone asked for. Halo is dead short of a miracle which is pretty much not gonna happen.

No doubt there’s merit to those words, but still, I hope 343i makes wise choices for the rest of the people sticking around.

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At first, I´m alright with Halo 4.

My only big wish for Halo5 and so my mostly only critic on halo 4 is Neil Davidge.
So just close your eyes, think of the music from Halo 3 at the end (warthog run) and put it in the last level of Halo 4.

I think your going to feel more action and MORE HALO.

All the songs of Neil Davidge are good composed and yes he is a good soundtrack guy but NOT FOR HALO.

So Martin O´Donnelll and kazuma jinnouchi are the better choise for HALO 5.

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> I will be getting the xbox one just for halo 5. <mark>From one fan to another thanks and you should join us in Halo reclaiming its #1 spot</mark>, And show people again why they need an Xbox!

Does it DESERVE the #1 spot, however?

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DeceptionCobra needs to take a break from the forums I think…

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> I will be getting the xbox one just for halo 5. From one fan to another thanks and you should join us in Halo reclaiming its #1 spot, And show people again why they need an Xbox!

I’m buying the Xbox One because I feel out of the 3 consoles (Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One), the Xbox One is moving forward the most. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have to realise that they are not only competing with each other, but competing with Apple, Google, Steam, etc. Microsoft are the only company to have fully embraced this and therefore they win the console war in this generation, for me anyway.

Halo has no role to play in which console I will be buying, simply because of the direction the franchise has taken so far. I will purchase the Xbox One and Halo 5, but I have little confidence in Halo 5 so it makes no difference for me.

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And you may want a refresher on the Halo Waypoint Forum Rules that we all agreed to when we signed up for these forums.

Now while I am sure you have a beef with what I said, you may present that beef in a respectful manner. What I’ve said is definitely a thought some people have. If Halo 5 or whatever Halo Xbox One becomes is like Halo 4, then it doesn’t deserve the #1 spot on the Xbox. Between questionable gameplay choices, bad custom game options, a lack of Theater for the Campaign and Spartan Ops, in fact no real innovation in Theater whatsoever, and a Campaign experience in general whose story leaves many scratching their heads and filled with missed opportunities.

I will gladly wait to hear your opinion on the matter.

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> > Between questionable gameplay choices,… and a Campaign experience in general whose story leaves many scratching their heads and filled with missed opportunities.
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> Just for interest sake, what would you be referring to? I know how I feel about the way the Forerunners were presented, or more so the Didact and I know I hated the sandbox for the campaign.

My problems mostly consist of the way the Covenant Remnant was introduced and the Didact’s motivations. The books explain them pretty well, but 343i is on the record saying books would not be necessary reading. I have others, but it’s late and I’ll be packing it in for now.

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> > > Between questionable gameplay choices,… and a Campaign experience in general whose story leaves many scratching their heads and filled with missed opportunities.
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> > Just for interest sake, what would you be referring to? I know how I feel about the way the Forerunners were presented, or more so the Didact and I know I hated the sandbox for the campaign.
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> My problems mostly consist of the way the Covenant Remnant was introduced and the Didact’s motivations. The books explain them pretty well, but 343i is on the record saying books would not be necessary reading. I have others, but it’s late and I’ll be packing it in for now.

This bears repeating. The Didact would have been very confusing to anyone whose sole understanding of the character comes from the Halo 3 terminals, where he is presented as a heroic, noble, and upstanding character. This is because, having not read the Forerunner Trilogy, they would not be aware that there are in fact two of them, Ur and Iso/Bornstellar, and it was the latter that we were reading about.

Likewise the Storm. At no point is it made clear to the player (or even the Master Chief, to my recollection) that he’s not facing the primary Sangheili faction, but rather a splinter faction of what are basically the Covenant version of redneck hillbillies.

And setting wise, the UNSC desperately needs to be advanced. After all this time, UNSC Marines should not be looking like modern day blokes with slightly bulkier helmets, and we should not still be using the same blasted assault rifle.

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> > > > Between questionable gameplay choices,… and a Campaign experience in general whose story leaves many scratching their heads and filled with missed opportunities.
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> > > Just for interest sake, what would you be referring to? I know how I feel about the way the Forerunners were presented, or more so the Didact and I know I hated the sandbox for the campaign.
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> > My problems mostly consist of the way the Covenant Remnant was introduced and the Didact’s motivations. The books explain them pretty well, but 343i is on the record saying books would not be necessary reading. I have others, but it’s late and I’ll be packing it in for now.
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> This bears repeating. The Didact would have been very confusing to anyone whose sole understanding of the character comes from the Halo 3 terminals, where he is presented as a heroic, noble, and upstanding character. This is because, having not read the Forerunner Trilogy, they would not be aware that there are in fact two of them, Ur and Iso/Bornstellar, and it was the latter that we were reading about.
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> Likewise the Storm. At no point is it made clear to the player (or even the Master Chief, to my recollection) that he’s not facing the primary Sangheili faction, but rather a splinter faction of what are basically the Covenant version of redneck hillbillies.

As someone who hasn’t read the latest books (simply because I haven’t heard much good about them), I can confirm that I had no idea there were two Didacts and was very confused as the once noble soldier hated humans and wanted to murder me.

I wasn’t unaware that the Storm covenant weren’t the real faction, but that’s due to me being on Waypoint long enough to have had it come up many times in discussion.

> And setting wise, the UNSC desperately needs to be advanced. After all this time, UNSC Marines should not be looking like modern day blokes with slightly bulkier helmets, and we should not still be using the same blasted assault rifle.

I find it funny that their weapons seem to get worse over time instead of better.

Considering their access to forerunner tech, they really should have better armor and weapons by now.

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343 are probably more likely to build and refine what they’ve set with Halo 4(AA’s, Custom Loadouts, Sprint, OD), than to strip it all away and add unto Halo CE/3.

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> > I will be getting the xbox one just for halo 5. <mark>From one fan to another thanks and you should join us in Halo reclaiming its #1 spot</mark>, And show people again why they need an Xbox!
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> Does it DESERVE the #1 spot, however?

Does it matter?
If all we have for the X1 is one game that doesn’t come out for a year… Then what’s it all for?
Halo: X1 needs to be another reason to buy the X1, not the sole reason or we’re in for a world of hurt.

It wasn’t H3 that sold 360’s, it was H3, MW and ME that really got the system going. We have all 3 to thank, not just any 1… And of course 1 of those isn’t an exclusive.

I don’t mind many players of Halo waiting for Halo: X1 to get the said X1. It’s time to save money, there’s plenty of great games for the 360 still to play and coming and the first 2 transition years need not be rushed… 365.25 days is 365.25 days.

Does it need to be #1?.. No, it just needs to be awesome from my PoV. I don’t care as much as it resonating with the greater fanbase as I do with it resonating with me.
Though there are elements from from H2 and H3 I do like, CE, Reach and H4 are my more liked Halo games.
If we go with campaigns, ODST is tossed in there slightly above Reach and only slightly below H4 and CE because of the many nitpicks I have (such as super small in scale weapons in our human hands, the grenade RR assist system, the way the Sadie’s doesn’t save when playing co-op,).
I don’t deplore H2 and H3 but I don’t look fondly on them as much as I do the others, only elements of… I ironically don’t like the Arbiter in H2 but I love his missions over the Chief’s :slight_smile:

For MP, I like CE and H4 the most, Reach 2nd, H2 then H3. But that’s only without button combos in H2. It drops to last if we do that.

And unfortunately I don’t understand why CE’s story made us want to read the books but H4’s story is a problem if we don’t want to read the books… I understand that times have changed but I don’t understand the change in view.
(Which as a pre-tense: Halo Wars, Contact Harvest and even Ghost of Onyx retconned the first 3 novels, not Reach. Reach was the culmination of the reconning, not a retconner itself.)

Edit: At no point am I not advocating 343i shoot for Jupiter rather than the Luna, what I mean is that #1 is merely a relative term of greatness. #1 is #1 but to shame #2 and even often the top 10 is to remove all value of that greatness.

A diamond amongst the rough is obvious, the masterpiece(s) amongst the works of art… Now that’s an exhibit to behold.

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> The problem is halo 4 was a success as far as sales,they have no reason to change anything. As long as it says halo on it they will milk every last dime out of it. They won’t listen to the community, they can’t even admit that halo4 is crap and not what anyone asked for. Halo is dead short of a miracle which is pretty much not gonna happen.

That was a prime example of running on Bungie’s coattails. Unless 343i realizes that Halo 4 was bad, and people only bought it because they were expecting 343i to realize Reach was bad. They will develop another bad game with Halo 5. And will probably be shocked when they realize it sells very poorly.

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> > > And setting wise, the UNSC desperately needs to be advanced. After all this time, UNSC Marines should not be looking like modern day blokes with slightly bulkier helmets, and we should not still be using the same blasted assault rifle.
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> > I find it funny that their weapons seem to get worse over time instead of better.
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> > Considering their access to forerunner tech, they really should have better armor and weapons by now.
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> Remember that Bungie wanted players to feel more at home. Personally, I don’t get why they aren’t using lasers, rail gun weaponry, etc at a larger scale. We’ll see where 343i takes this.
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> Also mechs. Mechs would minimize human loses. The UNSC have excellent AI, compared to a lot of sci-fi franchises, yet they don’t have mechs?

Given that canonically the Human race was reduced to some 200 or so million individuals in Halo 3 after Truth carpet-nuked the place, the idea that the UNSC would still be using the same old stuff, when every drop of human blood was now so very, very precious, is laughable.

We should, in fact, see SPI armor for all the marines. We should see weaponry that, while perhaps too expensive to justify spreading across a massive pre-war military, is now justified given the low level of human combatants and Humanity’s very tenuous grasp on existence.

Just look at Spartan Ops, for example. Bear in mind that while Jul 'Mdama is definitely smarter than the average Covenant commander, he’s still going into the fight with severe handicaps (his capships no longer have shields, he’s got limited supplies compared to other Covenant factions, and if the cutscenes are anything to go by, the Elite’s apparently have forgotten how to construct personal shield generators). We were fighting the Covenant equivalent of backwards, inbred hicks and with a couple of notable exceptions (none of which any of the Infinity’s crew whose designation is not “Crimson Team” had anything to do with) the UNSC failed to give Jul any meaningful setback whatsoever. The overwhelming majority of his combat assets were perfectly intact. This is all the more reason why the UNSC should be doing everything in its power to advance its technology and increase the power of not only its ships, but each individual combatant in its ranks.

As for mechs, if you mean something like power armor, yes, I’d agree, otherwise… no, not really. Mechs are cool, I’ll admit that, but unless you’re on the planet of the giant stairs… go with a tank*. Trust me.

*This statement made with the tank in question being something far closer to an Abrams or a Challenger than a Scorpion. :stuck_out_tongue: