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Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Let’s be brutally honest… Halo 5 was scheduled for this year. It’s now been pushed back to 2015.

Why? Because Titanfall and Destiny are coming out this year…

What does this mean? It means that somebody in 343 knows for a fact that the Halo they were making (at least at it’s current state) wouldn’t be able to appeal more than the two previously mentioned games…

How to resolve the issue REALISTICALLY?

  1. Make a actual Halo game. Give us visible ranks (Again, you need this) And no I don’t mean make another lame “Prestige” type system. It’s dead… CoD is literally milking it’s own mechanics dry so stop trying to copy the FPS next door… Seriously…

  2. I feel like the inclusion of sprint has somewhat ruined halo for good simply because there are a lot of people that are now accustomed to it (myself included) However the problem with sprint is that it now ruins the type of maps that Halo is best played on.

  3. You need to add a ranked and social playlist ranked playlist should obviously be for gaining that 1 - 50 that just about the majority of halo players want back. Social shouldn’t have a lame picture rank. It should simply use the highest rank you’ve achieved in the ranked playlist… Why? because if you include a rank in social playlist you’re going to cut out the actual ranked playlist population. (Trust me, it sounds like a bad idea but really it’s what Halo is about, accept it.) It’s the internet, people like showing off… There’s no other way to put it but everyone wants to feel special and adding a VISIBLE 1 - 50 appeals more than a “prestige” system… Honestly how appealing does a 130 look nowadays? Be real…

  4. (Cont.) Watch how Halo 2 will be immensely more popular than the recent halo games (Granted if past mechanics are still in place).

  5. To add on the last statement, It’s funny how you try to prevent boosting in halo by cutting out the visible 1 - 50 but all you’re doing is promoting boosting for the 1 - 130 style. It makes absolutely no sense to change a primary feature that made halo a halo game just so people could boost for a CoD style rank (Which ultimately doesn’t mean much).

  6. You need to simply make it a win/loss ranking system… None of these other variables and other BS because that was the problem with Halo Reach’s “Arena” playlist… You’re no longer making the game about teamwork at that point. You’re making it a “who can get the most kills” game type and that’s honestly just really stupid. Not everyone on a professional team is a “Primary slayer” and I’m surprised with all the “MLG advice” you’ve supposedly been receiving that no one there mentioned that fact.

  7. Get rid of the loadouts. Again, this is what CoD is about… Titanfall is allowed to do that because those guys Technically did work on CoD in the past… You haven’t… You need to stop. However if you MUST have “loadouts” to fit it nowadays then it should be very minimal because again, this is HALO and everyone should start on equal footing no matter what. All you’ve managed to do is clutter up your menus with useless choices for a primary weapon and the only reason why anyone would choose anything other than a BR or DMR is for “Commendations” which is again another little mechanic that CoD utilizes.

  8. The whole “Infinity Slayer” concept is just lame, period. Get back to actual weapon pickups with REASONABLE respawn times. Give us powerups that are strategically placed on the map to promote proper map control. The whole “Ordinance Drop” concept might have seemed like a “cool” idea at the time but it’s really just a cheap gimmick at this point. Stop catering to the people that cry about not getting OS or not getting a certain power weapon by giving everyone a random chance at it.

  9. And speaking of respawn times get rid of “instant respawn” I can’t imagine how that idea even got put on the floor because it’s awful and that’s not how a game like halo is intended to be played. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said “Sniper on my X” when I realize that after I instant respawn my X is no longer visible to my team… How could something like THAT be put into a Halo game? It makes no sense whatsoever.

  10. Stop trying to over complicate Forge and make a proper filehare/recording studio (And no don’t be lazy and just say “Well the Xbox One already has that” because contrary to what you might believe, that won’t be sufficient for the fileshare we were use to. Nobody wants to jump through hurdles just to see a nice pic. Make it the way Halo 3 had it and you’ll be 100x better off.

  11. UI needs a complete overhaul. It’s awful and whoever thought all that blue and transparency was a good idea should have been fired. It’s funny how you really emphasized “Your spartan is the center of attention” yet with the limited colors and really only being able to see the head/torso you’re not really seeing many different armor combinations simply because they almost all look too similar. Also let’s be honest, the most iconic armor in halo history used to be recon because it was RARE. The samurai armor in halo 3 was something you actually had to work for and it had it’s slight “coolness” tied to it (especially the katana) The Bungie dev’s had Flaming helmets. and I think the closest we’ve come to having “Cool armor” was the armor effects in halo reach. So with that being said, if you’re going to try to sell the “your spartan is special” then make it special. Everyone generally looks the same right now and I personally believe that only the visor stands out the most.

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So for starters, we’ve had no actual confirmation that Halo 5 is coming out in 2015. That is all a rumour, mind you I like to believe it, but it doesn’t mean it’s true… Not until we get word from the devs.

But at the same time if it is true, that doesn’t mean the game was pushed back. The advertisement clearly stated that “Halo” was coming to Xbox One in 2014, not “Halo 5”. And 343i pressed this on us OVER and OVER so we wouldn’t get all confused in the event they actually do have a surprise title in the works for this year instead.

“Your Halo journey on Xbox One begins in 2014” has been the most common slogan. NEVER has it been said that “Halo 5 is coming in 2014”.

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If 2015 is a rumor, then that is all it is until confirmed.

If this was true, then lets be honest here, if Halo 3 and Battlefront 3 released on the same year, Halo 3 would not gain as many sales as it did. 343 doesn’t want to fight competition, that seems like any normal decision for a company to make. And especially where a lot of Halo fans would play Destiny (new multiplayer to them) more then they would Halo Xbox One (more or less the same gameplay for Halo 4), the decision would make sense. If this was true, which I’m not saying it is, I’m just talking about a hypothetical situation.

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So…can i just ask, what was the point of this? Really, this is no different to any other rant we have seen on these very forums from randoms for the past year now. Every single point you have just mentioned has been constantly posted again and again beyond anything anyone could count. Oh, and the title of your thread is very inconsistent with your actual post. I thought you were going to say something like “I am skeptical because of the following reasons”, but instead you started spreading false facts about Halo 5 being ‘pushed back’, and went into a typical, been there-done that rant about the problems with Halo 4.

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While I’m inclined to agree with most of your points, your approach to conveying them is suspect.

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Why i enjoyed the game.

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> Let’s be brutally honest… Halo 5 was scheduled for this year. It’s now been pushed back to 2015.
>
> Why? Because Titanfall and Destiny are coming out this year…
>
> What does this mean? It means that somebody in 343 knows for a fact that the Halo they were making (at least at it’s current state) wouldn’t be able to appeal more than the two previously mentioned games…
>
> How to resolve the issue REALISTICALLY?
> 1. Make a actual Halo game. Give us visible ranks (Again, you need this) And no I don’t mean make another lame “Prestige” type system. It’s dead… CoD is literally milking it’s own mechanics dry so stop trying to copy the FPS next door… Seriously…
>
> 2. I feel like the inclusion of sprint has somewhat ruined halo for good simply because there are a lot of people that are now accustomed to it (myself included) However the problem with sprint is that it now ruins the type of maps that Halo is best played on.
>
> 3. You need to add a ranked and social playlist ranked playlist should obviously be for gaining that 1 - 50 that just about the majority of halo players want back. Social shouldn’t have a lame picture rank. It should simply use the highest rank you’ve achieved in the ranked playlist… Why? because if you include a rank in social playlist you’re going to cut out the actual ranked playlist population. (Trust me, it sounds like a bad idea but really it’s what Halo is about, accept it.) It’s the internet, people like showing off… There’s no other way to put it but everyone wants to feel special and adding a VISIBLE 1 - 50 appeals more than a “prestige” system… Honestly how appealing does a 130 look nowadays? Be real…
>
> 3. (Cont.) Watch how Halo 2 will be immensely more popular than the recent halo games (Granted if past mechanics are still in place).
>
> 4. To add on the last statement, It’s funny how you try to prevent boosting in halo by cutting out the visible 1 - 50 but all you’re doing is promoting boosting for the 1 - 130 style. It makes absolutely no sense to change a primary feature that made halo a halo game just so people could boost for a CoD style rank (Which ultimately doesn’t mean much).
>
> 5. You need to simply make it a win/loss ranking system… None of these other variables and other BS because that was the problem with Halo Reach’s “Arena” playlist… You’re no longer making the game about teamwork at that point. You’re making it a “who can get the most kills” game type and that’s honestly just really stupid. Not everyone on a professional team is a “Primary slayer” and I’m surprised with all the “MLG advice” you’ve supposedly been receiving that no one there mentioned that fact.
>
> 6. Get rid of the loadouts. Again, this is what CoD is about… Titanfall is allowed to do that because those guys Technically did work on CoD in the past… You haven’t… You need to stop. However if you MUST have “loadouts” to fit it nowadays then it should be very minimal because again, this is HALO and everyone should start on equal footing no matter what. All you’ve managed to do is clutter up your menus with useless choices for a primary weapon and the only reason <mark>why anyone would choose anything other than a BR or DMR is for “Commendations” which is again another little mechanic that CoD utilizes.</mark>
>
> 7. The whole “Infinity Slayer” concept is just lame, period. Get back to actual weapon pickups with REASONABLE respawn times. Give us powerups that are strategically placed on the map to promote proper map control. The whole “Ordinance Drop” concept might have seemed like a “cool” idea at the time but it’s really just a cheap gimmick at this point. Stop catering to the people that cry about not getting OS or not getting a certain power weapon by giving everyone a random chance at it.
>
> 8. And speaking of respawn times get rid of “instant respawn” I can’t imagine how that idea even got put on the floor because it’s awful and that’s not how a game like halo is intended to be played. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said “Sniper on my X” when I realize that after I instant respawn my X is no longer visible to my team… How could something like THAT be put into a Halo game? It makes no sense whatsoever.
>
> 9. Stop trying to over complicate Forge and make a proper filehare/recording studio (And no don’t be lazy and just say “Well the Xbox One already has that” because contrary to what you might believe, that won’t be sufficient for the fileshare we were use to. Nobody wants to jump through hurdles just to see a nice pic. Make it the way Halo 3 had it and you’ll be 100x better off.
>
> 10. UI needs a complete overhaul. It’s awful and whoever thought all that blue and transparency was a good idea should have been fired. It’s funny how you really emphasized “Your spartan is the center of attention” yet with the limited colors and really only being able to see the head/torso you’re not really seeing many different armor combinations simply because they almost all look too similar. Also let’s be honest, the most iconic armor in halo history used to be recon because it was RARE. The samurai armor in halo 3 was something you actually had to work for and it had it’s slight “coolness” tied to it (especially the katana) The Bungie dev’s had Flaming helmets. and I think the closest we’ve come to having “Cool armor” was the armor effects in halo reach. So with that being said, if you’re going to try to sell the “your spartan is special” then make it special. Everyone generally looks the same right now and I personally believe that only the visor stands out the most.

maybe a little of topic but…

The carbine has a faster kill time than the BR if you land all seven shots. the BR is only better by reload speed, as the chances of getting 3 kills with a BR mag? slim. the chances of getting 2 kills with a Carbine mag (the max) much higher. cause it has some leeway to missed shots, also, the fire rate on the carbine means that a high level of flinch can be induced very quickly.

A good player with the Light Rifle can out shoot the DMR. The LR has a faster kill time, but causes less flinch. but good strafing dampens this factor, and mean the LR can come out on top.

The reason you see DMRs and BRs alot is because they are easier to use than a LR or CC, but when mastered, the CC and LR out preform them.

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> maybe a little of topic but…
>
> The carbine has a faster kill time than the BR if you land all seven shots. the BR is only better by reload speed, as the chances of getting 3 kills with a BR mag? slim. the chances of getting 2 kills with a Carbine mag (the max) much higher. cause it has some leeway to missed shots, also, the fire rate on the carbine means that a high level of flinch can be induced very quickly.
>
> A good player with the Light Rifle can out shoot the DMR. The LR has a faster kill time, but causes less flinch. but good strafing dampens this factor, and mean the LR can come out on top.
>
> The reason you see DMRs and BRs alot is because they are easier to use than a LR or CC, but when mastered, the CC and LR out preform them.

Don’t the Promethean weapons also have next to no aim assist or whatever it’s called? Whenever I use the lightrifle its seems like I have to be very precise with my aiming especially zoomed in otherwise I’ll miss vs the DMR,BR, and Carbine where I’ll land more shots.

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> > maybe a little of topic but…
> >
> > The carbine has a faster kill time than the BR if you land all seven shots. the BR is only better by reload speed, as the chances of getting 3 kills with a BR mag? slim. the chances of getting 2 kills with a Carbine mag (the max) much higher. cause it has some leeway to missed shots, also, the fire rate on the carbine means that a high level of flinch can be induced very quickly.
> >
> > A good player with the Light Rifle can out shoot the DMR. The LR has a faster kill time, but causes less flinch. but good strafing dampens this factor, and mean the LR can come out on top.
> >
> > The reason you see DMRs and BRs alot is because they are easier to use than a LR or CC, but when mastered, the CC and LR out preform them.
>
> Don’t the Promethean weapons also have next to no aim assist or whatever it’s called? Whenever I use the lightrifle its seems like I have to be very precise with my aiming especially zoomed in otherwise I’ll miss vs the DMR,BR, and Carbine where I’ll land more shots.

Light rifle is projectile, like Halo 3. you have to lead shots. thats it’s skill gap.

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> So…can i just ask, what was the point of this? Really, this is no different to any other rant we have seen on these very forums from randoms for the past year now. Every single point you have just mentioned has been constantly posted again and again beyond anything anyone could count. Oh, and the title of your thread is very inconsistent with your actual post. I thought you were going to say something like “I am skeptical because of the following reasons”, but instead you started spreading false facts about Halo 5 being ‘pushed back’, and went into a typical, been there-done that rant about the problems with Halo 4.

Yet they don’t get locked for some odd reason… Yet ask a one sentence question about a rumor or somehow copy a post on new ideas and BAM, you’re locked.

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> The carbine has a faster kill time than the BR if you land all seven shots.

The BR beats the Carbine in fastest kill time potential by 0.03 seconds.

Source

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> So…can i just ask, what was the point of this? Really, this is no different to any other rant we have seen on these very forums from randoms for the past year now. Every single point you have just mentioned has been constantly posted again and again beyond anything anyone could count. Oh, and the title of your thread is very inconsistent with your actual post. I thought you were going to say something like “I am skeptical because of the following reasons”, but instead you started spreading false facts about Halo 5 being ‘pushed back’, and went into a typical, been there-done that rant about the problems with Halo 4.

The reason why people “rant” as you so call it is because if people didn’t mention the obvious and most annoying issues with halo, 343 would probably ignore them (like they did for halo 4)

Idk if you’ve realized this yet but Halo has slowly started catering too much towards the casual player. The same player that moves on to another game after a few weeks to a couple of months. (Population has proven that this time around.)

There’s no reason whatsoever why anyone in the community should sit back and stay quiet about one of their favorite games. As much as the majority begged them for visible ranks what happened in the end? We never got them and the game suffers for it. However when you have the newer people that probably didn’t play halo 2 for example talk about making a HALO GAME have 62+ player MM, THAT idea is going to get looked into more than what actually NEEDS to be put into a halo game.

(A bit of a stretch here) but that would be like CoD getting rid of their prestige system. You have to give incentive to keep playing, no exceptions. And NO that doesn’t mean implement another game’s bread and butter.

Do you honestly believe that these “rants” aren’t at least accurate? The fact that you said yourself

> Every single point you have just mentioned has been constantly posted again and again beyond anything anyone could count.

shows that at the very least, there is a general consensus on what is wrong with Halo. The fact that you’re the type of person that sees these as “rants” is a little sickening. And as for me being a “random” you’re a complete stranger to me. Believe it or not the forums represent a very small portion of the actual gaming community which is more of a reason why these “rants” should keep popping up.

If you’re ok with the way Halo is currently, then I’ll pray for you. Like I said in my original post, Watch the population of Halo 2 when it’s released (Granted if it’s original game mechanics are still in place).

I’ll close with this argument. If your game is good, generally people wouldn’t continuously talk about the past installments. Just look at Sonic the Hedgehog as another example of a great game that’s been slowly turning into something unrecognizable.

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These “Halo 5 delayed” threads are starting to piss me off. Please, please, PLEASE give a link to an official source saying that “Halo 5” NOT “Halo Xbox One” was scheduled for 2014. Contrary to popular assumption, the two terms are NOT synonymous!

Unless I see that link OP, this thread nothing but groundless speculation to me. You have absolutely no proof that the “problem” your post attempts to fix even exists at present.

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Wow OP, quite a leap you drew there: First claiming Halo 5 was delayed to 2015 without ANY shred of proof except for a rumour and THEN claiming it was delayed because 343i thought it wouldn’t appeal to players over Titanfall/Destiny.

Are you a wizard? or do you work at 343i?

Whenever a game is delayed, it is good news. Even though we don’t know when Halo 5 will come out, it’s still good news if they announce it is delayed. Another year to polish the game, work on bugs and balancing and extra content. I personally would LOVE to have a game delayed then have it rushed out to release like EA and Battlefield 4. That game is still horrible months after it’s release. Halo 4 suffered from the same rush and release schedule.

I admire your tact but next time, cut the drama and just get straight to the point. We’ve heard all those points before and the community is behind them. Hopefully 343i will listen, but they will listen a lot more to constructive criticism than sensationalist posts.

Lastly, I don’t know where you got this from but it doesn’t matter if your game is good, players ALWAYS talk about the previous installments in the series. Gears of War, Call of Duty, Age of Empires, Diablo, Halo, Assassin’s Creed, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Zelda. The list goes on and on and on. Gamers NEVER stop talking about past installments and always say “x game was better than what we have now”.

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Halo 2 Anniversary is rumored so that could be why it’s been pushed back…assuming it actually was pushed back.

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> Whenever a game is delayed, it is good news.

Unless you’re talking about Duke Nukem.

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> Lastly, I don’t know where you got this from but it doesn’t matter if your game is good, players ALWAYS talk about the previous installments in the series. Gears of War, Call of Duty, Age of Empires, Diablo, Halo, Assassin’s Creed, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Zelda. The list goes on and on and on. Gamers NEVER stop talking about past installments and always say “x game was better than what we have now”.

Extremely true. People who act like this phenomenon is exclusive to Halo are deluding themselves.

Our problem however is that it seems as if a significant majority of Halo players are doing this back-tracking.

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> Halo 2 Anniversary is rumored so that could be why it’s been pushed back…assuming it actually was pushed back.

Yeah, Halo 5 could have been scheduled for 2015 all along.

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> > Lastly, I don’t know where you got this from but it doesn’t matter if your game is good, players ALWAYS talk about the previous installments in the series. Gears of War, Call of Duty, Age of Empires, Diablo, Halo, Assassin’s Creed, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Zelda. The list goes on and on and on. Gamers NEVER stop talking about past installments and always say “x game was better than what we have now”.
>
> Extremely true. People who act like this phenomenon is exclusive to Halo are deluding themselves.
>
> Our problem however is that it seems as if a significant majority of Halo players are doing this back-tracking.

All the communities do that. I’ll put money on a bet that the majority of gamers around the world always look backwards instead of forwards.

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> > Whenever a game is delayed, it is good news.
>
> Unless you’re talking about Duke Nukem.

Yes of course. I did enjoy Duke Nukem Forever though, but granted I bought it for $9 so it was worth that much at best.