Join in progress only occurs BECAUSE of quitters. So either you penalize quitters more, which would lead to less JiP. Or you remove quit bans, JiP occurs more. There’s no middle ground; You can’t have your cake and eat it.
Let’s face it, at the end of a game, one team wins and one team loses. So the chances are already 50/50 that you join the losing team regardless. The chances are increased you join the losing team because sore losers quit losing teams.
And you only notice when JiP negatively affects your game. When you win a game, have you noticed scoreboard says your team consisted of over 4 players, means someone replaced your teammate. If someone didn’t join your team, you would’ve probably lost 3v4.
Oh, I hear the angry mob with pitchforks coming.
Post generic “JIP put me in a losing/almost finished game and I lost! Remove it!”
Maybe make it optional for the tryhards?
Either way I get a game so whatever.
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Let’s face it. Getting JiP’d into a game of Regicide where 5 people already have 200+ points, or a game of Dominion where your team is basically on their last stand with overshields, is absolutely -Yoinking!- retahded.
So I quit, and get banned for 60 minutes …
… only to take my H4 disc out of tray, place it under my drink on the coffee table in my living room, and then put H3 in the tray.
And now I’m not even complaining about the Quit Ban, because somehow it just saved my sanity.
Agreed OP.
I like JIP and the Quit ban. It is much rarer having to deal with slow games due to quitters in Halo 4 compared to 2,3, and Reach.
And that’s why 343i did it. They listened to the community who asked for 343i to do something about quitters. This is what we got.
So, if you hate it… Blame the people who hate quitters and asked for action (like me). Also, blame yourself for quitting habitually.
How many games do you have to quit before you get quit banned? How long are you quit banned?
Lies alot of time the game only find like 4 persons from the beggining and then other ppl join in proggres.
I hate JIP
Lol, what? To me JiP causes quitting. At least more quitting. I was on a winning team, we lost a teammate… Some one joined us and said “ah -Yoink-, I joined in progress, bye” and before I could tell the guy he is on the winning team, he quit!
Imagine if he was on the losing team… He’d still quit. As do most people that join in progress. They join and immediately quit. I have seen more quitting in halo 4 than H3 or Reach. This I am glad they have a tougher quit ban than Reach did.
> How many games do you have to quit before you get quit banned? How long are you quit banned?
In Reach, it was like 5 quits if you have a good record, 3 per day if you have a high quit percentage and 1 quit if you are still on probation.
I heard it is harder to get it activated now, requiring more quiets than it did in Reach. If I hade to guess I would say since the penalty is double the trigger must be half as sensitive. So probly 10 quits in a day for good records, 6 quits in a day for bad records… I’m not inclined to test this.
> How many games do you have to quit before you get quit banned? How long are you quit banned?
I quit 200+ before seeing my 60 minute ban.
Others are banned every 10-15 quits.
It seems random, lol.
> Join in progress only occurs BECAUSE of quitters. So either you penalize quitters more, which would lead to less JiP. Or you remove quit bans, JiP occurs more. There’s no middle ground; You can’t have your cake and eat it.
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> Let’s face it, at the end of a game, one team wins and one team loses. So the chances are already 50/50 that you join the losing team regardless. The chances are increased you join the losing team because sore losers quit losing teams.
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> And you only notice when JiP negatively affects your game. When you win a game, have you noticed scoreboard says your team consisted of over 4 players, means someone replaced your teammate. If someone didn’t join your team, you would’ve probably lost 3v4.
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> Oh, I hear the angry mob with pitchforks coming.
look if i join a game, that is pointless staying, i’ll quit, i dont mind people quiting, just a better idea to this is just to remove the JIP system completely
They need to make the requirements to enter a JIP game more strict. Then I would be fine with JIP.
A couple examples could be cutting off joining after a certain amount of kills have been acquired so you aren’t playing for only a minute or two, or if there is too much of a score gap to overcome. 343 has already made some restrictions, but they aren’t good enough.
> look if i join a game, that is pointless staying, i’ll quit, i dont mind people quiting, just a better idea to this is just to remove the JIP system completely
That’s fine if you want to quit. But since you are hurting your teammates, don’t expect to get away without any penalty if you do it very frequently.
Well what needs to be decided is what is the lesser of the two evils. JIP was added for faster game play and cause of players who quit. So to remove it the number of players who quit matchs needs to drop.
If you get a Quit-ban, i cannot see how you dont deserve it.Before someone try’s to rage on me ive quit a few games in rapid succession due to lag, bad score is up to how good i am(which is so-so atm) and i could care less about my wins/losses, all it says is i have poor luck with teammates or im not ever in a party.Oh right the reason i say the people that get Quit-banned deserve it because ive quit 6-7 matches in a row which was due to lag, im not talking screen freezing up for a couple seconds here and there, im talking a 1-2 sec delay in every action you do for the entire game, playing under those conditions is nearly impossible even for a good player.So even though i quit here and there everyday ive never got a 1 hour quit ban, reason for this is, simply because its within reason.Even 343 acknowledges and accepts quitting due to a laggy game is understandable, because who wants to play with lag, i sure as hell dont.
I just cant understand why 343 cant fix the lag with the kill cams, halo 4 must be a dream come true for people using aimbots, since their is no way to prove someone is using a aimbot.I know for a fact it isnt impossible, just go play CoD and everything in the killcam is exact, aimbot users are easy to discern from a legit shot.So i ask again, why cant 343 make proper killcams?For people that dont know, the bullet-magnetism is nothing compared to a aimbot so if the kill-cams depicted what someone was really aiming at a aimbot would be immediately picked out.
Agreed.
I still think that a quit ban that was severe enough to actually be effective would be better.
I’ve always seen jip as a cop out, avoiding the bad press and forum rage a real quit ban would bring.
> If you get a Quit-ban, i cannot see how you dont deserve it.Before someone try’s to rage on me ive quit a few games in rapid succession due to lag, bad score is up to how good i am(which is so-so atm) and i could care less about my wins/losses, all it says is i have poor luck with teammates or im not ever in a party.Oh right the reason i say the people that get Quit-banned deserve it because ive quit 6-7 matches in a row which was due to lag, im not talking screen freezing up for a couple seconds here and there, im talking a 1-2 sec delay in every action you do for the entire game, playing under those conditions is nearly impossible even for a good player.So even though i quit here and there everyday ive never got a 1 hour quit ban, reason for this is, simply because its within reason.Even 343 acknowledges and accepts quitting due to a laggy game is understandable, because who wants to play with lag, i sure as hell dont.
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> I just cant understand why 343 cant fix the lag with the kill cams, halo 4 must be a dream come true for people using aimbots, since their is no way to prove someone is using a aimbot.I know for a fact it isnt impossible, just go play CoD and everything in the killcam is exact, aimbot users are easy to discern from a legit shot.So i ask again, why cant 343 make proper killcams?For people that dont know, the bullet-magnetism is nothing compared to a aimbot so if the kill-cams depicted what someone was really aiming at a aimbot would be immediately picked out.
Part of the problem is 343i doesn’t decide anything with the quit bans, it’s an automated system that they have put into place that has no logical thought process but basic calculations. It cannot tell if a match was laggy or if it JIPped you into the same match four times in a row.
JiP causes more quitting, how am i supposed to get commendations like the first strike and stuff if i get thrown in all the time, or in dominion matches where the team needs 1 more resupply to win, its stupid. quit ban is dumb period, and should be removed. as for jip, they should give u an option if u wanna be placed in that game.
I don’t get what all the fuss is about JIP. Every other xbox game out there has JIP and they all work out fine. If you ask me, Halo players are just terrified of change, and will lash out at it like an abused pit bull being handed a bone.
seriously, I would be deeply appreciative if you would refrain from speaking. and deal or don’t play.
Join In Progress in no problem for me because I quit before the system even thinks of attempting to connect me to the games players.
As for the quit ban, I am yet to receive it and have quit hundreds of games while in game and on the loading menu.
The fact that you can get Join in Progressed 5 times in a row says something about Halo 4. Obviously the games are loosing players for a reason:
-People who are playing for ‘fun’ with their ‘guests’ quit the game because they only care about themselves and the rest of the team is screwed.
To anyone that says it is good to have these ‘features’ or as I call random -Yoink- that 343 copied from other games, there’s our problem.