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Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Well… I’m going to basically break down some of the arguments that people keep using on this forum that really don’t make much sense. This is kind of an expansion from a previous topic I made, so it has some repeated content.
Lets start off here:
"Stop playing the game," (which doesn’t make sense, and your hurting the population this way by telling others to leave. )

"Go play COD" (again, they are playing Halo for a reason??)

"Oh my god another hate thread" (No, they’re tying to tell people where Halo is going down, and want to bring attention so the issue can be FIXED in the next Halos by 343. And your not helping by adding a useless comment that just makes the OP look like a villain.)

"Halo 1-3 are not as good as 4-5" ( Oh really, because the critics say so, Metacritic says so, the population says so, the lasting impact of the original trilogy compared to even halo 4 says so, the innovation in 1-3 that clearly isn’t in 4 or 5 says so, the decreasing community of machinimas and custom gamers says 1-3 had more community support (Hey Halo 5, where’s the file browser?) , and basically a few million fans outside this forum says so.) IT’s OKAY IF YOU BELIEVE THAT Reach-5 are better! Its good to have your own opinion, but what some of these people FAIL to realize is that their opinion is not shared by the majority of Halo players (look at population statistics.)

"If you suck so bad, stop playing with randoms!" (Wouldn’t everyone want to always be in a party with people instead of playing with randoms? Clearly there are reasons why people are forced to play with randoms and maybe you should ask why they with randoms instead of berating them for playing with randoms.)

"You should be grateful that 343 is making NEW content. Stop complaining." (Sorry, but franchise staples should be in launch. Imagine a COD launching without team deathmatch, only to be added in later with a “free DLC update.” Last time I checked, Infection and firefight weren’t new content either.)

"Halo needs to evolve" This one is actually right. It does need to evolve, but it needs to BUILD on previous game ideas, not steal from other franchises. Forge in 5 was evolved from previous games. Spartan Abilities are mimicked from other competitors. The campaign mimicked other games in the sense that it followed a linear, modern, added on-without-much-thought campaign. Less armor customization devolves from previous games. The soundtracks from 1-3 evolved by building a new element each game (2-guitar, 3-piano.) If Halo keeps evolving into its competitors, what is Halo? Why get excited for abilities if others games have them already. Halo was different because it had smooth gameplay WITHOUT these new mechanics. It didn’t need them then, it didn’t need them now. The only evolving that needs to be done is by evolving from past features of Halo, not other competitors.

“I always find a match, who cares about population." Yeah, well I don’t always find a match. As I’ve played many other games outside Halo that have had their populations drop, I get lagged out more frequently. Anyways, this a bad attitude in general. It shows that you could care less about the bigger picture, which is the decline in popularity in Halo. As Viper Skills once said,
"Typical replies from people who probably consider themselves halo fans. Too ignorant or just don’t care about the facts to actually discuss the issues. Like I have said before, a true fan/supporter of something cares about the big picture of whatever it is they support. In this case, halo has been outdone by other franchises, not only in terms of population but now in the quality of work as well. And you guys can only manage “cool story bro” replies. I guess even the community is dead since even they apparently don’t care what happens to halo.”
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Your just a Halo hater" Yeah right. Most of us probably have played more Halo then you. Even if we haven’t we are still playing the games just like you.

“We can’t go back to Halo 1-3, they are too slow” No… Speed doesn’t even affect the gameplay as much as you think, while personally I don’t like it. I can load up Halo 2 or 3, play a match, and get 20+ kills on “snail pace” gameplay and then load a game on Halo 5 and get 20+ kills on “good speed” gameplay. The point is, your performance does not change whether you play slower games or faster games, or I guess only for me.

“Req system is good” I don’t even want to talk about this.

"Its just nostalgia." Maybe. Probably not. You see, the old games have near-universal praise for many reasons… compared to the above average praise at most for Halo 5.

"Halo 5 was rushed though! Blame Microsoft!" Nope. Halo 5 had 3 years to be developed, just like Halo 2 and 3. Halo 2 was actually rushed. Halo 2 actually was developed in 2 YEARS, not 3. Just recently, Halo 2 was ranked #4 best FPS of all time on IGN’s newest list. No excuse whatsoever, considering how Halo 2 had one less year to be developed and still turned out better than Halo 5 by a LONGSHOT. How Halo 5 launched with less content than the old games is astounding.

"We can’t go back to Halo 3 gameplay, otherwise we are playing the same game over and over again." No one is asking that. What they mean is that Halo should evolve from Halo 3, as I said earlier. The beautiful thing was, while Halo 1-3 played very similarly, they were different. They built on each other. 4-5 built on other games.

"Give them a break they are new" Well… its been 5 years since they have been in charge. They’ve been up in controversy since Halo:CEA multiplayer was basically just a map pack to Halo Reach’s multiplayer, if anyone even remembers that. Ok, that was forgivable. Halo 4- Awful game, universally disliked by Halo players as seen by population. Ok, they could be slightly forgivable… surely their next release will turn out right. Nope. We get MCC, which is probably in the top 5 worst triple-A disasters in gaming. Ok… well they will fix their mistake in Halo 5. Nope. They went one step forward, but took a leap back. Whenever they tried to add a feature, they took out a feature.
New forge=no browser
more armor=less customization
new epic potential campaign=probably the worst campaign
Warzone as a super big team battle/firefight=reqs

Ok, I’m done. If there are any more arguments to decipher, tell me. As a CE veteran from around '04, this series is like a brother to me. my brother can be messed up and going down, but its my job to help bring him back up.
Feel free to comment… lets see what you guys agree on/ disagree on.

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Errr the post is too long for my liking. I suggest you shorten it down and try again. English is better read in short and sweet paragraphs. Haha but i rather wait till H6 to say my judgement of the games progress. You dont expect a company to succeed totally over a successful franchise in just 3-4 yrs like Halo and have the community support its new games. Its the same as Transformers whr the old gen prefer the original animated movies compared to the live action ones today. Its all abt the target audience as well.

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Damn son, you mad.

I’m mad too.

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> Errr the post is too long for my liking. I suggest you shorten it down and try again. English is better read in short and sweet paragraphs. Haha but i rather wait till H6 to say my judgement of the games progress. You dont expect a company to succeed totally over a successful franchise in just 3-4 yrs like Halo and have the community support its new games. Its the same as Transformers whr the old gen prefer the original animated movies compared to the live action ones today. Its all abt the target audience as well.

Why post if you’re not going to read it? He brings up all good points. It’s not a matter of old vs new, it’s a matter of people’s misconceptions and excuses vs actuality and fact. You would know that if you read it.

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lets not talk about 4. We should all pretend 4 didn’t happen.

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Bet there will be people posting “another one these”.

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> “Halo 1-3 are not as good as 4-5” ( Oh really, because the critics say so, Metacritic says so, the population says so, the lasting impact of the original trilogy compared to even halo 4 says so, the innovation in 1-3 that clearly isn’t in 4 or 5 says so, the decreasing community of machinimas and custom gamers says 1-3 had more community support (Hey Halo 5, where’s the file browser?) , and basically a few million fans outside this forum says so.) IT’s OKAY IF YOU BELIEVE THAT Reach-5 are better! Its good to have your own opinion, but what some of these people FAIL to realize is that their opinion is not shared by the majority of Halo players (look at population statistics.)

Who the hell said that?

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> "Your just a Halo hater" Yeah right. Most of us probably have played more Halo then you. Even if we haven’t we are still playing the games just like you.

Who the hell said this?

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> “Req system is good” I don’t even want to talk about this.

You brought it up

Here’s an argument you can decipher:

"We can’t go back to Halo 3 gameplay, otherwise we are playing the same game over and over again." (sick of quoting you and editing)
You mean like
-no loadouts
-equal starts
-power weapons on maps
-no ordinance drops
-no perks
-descope
-no flinch
-power ups on maps
-no kill cams
-no grenade indicators

^that’s the most like Halo 3 we’ve had since Halo 3. I know sprint’s an illusion and I know sprint is 99.9999% the problem, so that list means squat to a lot of people. But it means a lot to me.

And about “when they add a feature, they remove a feature”. Think about it like this: Halo 2 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and feature from Halo CE plus a few new things. Halo 5 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and features from CE, H2, H3, ODST, Reach, H2A, & H4, plus armors and weapons and vehicles and all that noise in order to get everyone to unanimously agree that the game was “complete”. And that’s not to mention any new modes like Breakout, Strongholds, or Warzone. 7 games rolled into one. It’s not possible. That’s why no one will ever agree that the game is done because someone’s favorite mode from Halo 2 was cut or someone else’s favorite armor from Halo 3 was cut, or this weapon from Reach didn’t make it, etc. There’s just too much Halo preceding it. That’s no excuse for its condition at launch, though.

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> Well… I’m going to basically break down some of the arguments that people keep using on this forum that really don’t make much sense. This is kind of an expansion from a previous topic I made, so it has some repeated content.
> Lets start off here:
> “Stop playing the game,” (which doesn’t make sense, and your hurting the population this way by telling others to leave. )
>
> “Go play COD” (again, they are playing Halo for a reason??)
>
> "Oh my god another hate thread" (No, they’re tying to tell people where Halo is going down, and want to bring attention so the issue can be FIXED in the next Halos by 343. And your not helping by adding a useless comment that just makes the OP look like a villain.)
>
> “Halo 1-3 are not as good as 4-5” ( Oh really, because the critics say so, Metacritic says so, the population says so, the lasting impact of the original trilogy compared to even halo 4 says so, the innovation in 1-3 that clearly isn’t in 4 or 5 says so, the decreasing community of machinimas and custom gamers says 1-3 had more community support (Hey Halo 5, where’s the file browser?) , and basically a few million fans outside this forum says so.) IT’s OKAY IF YOU BELIEVE THAT Reach-5 are better! Its good to have your own opinion, but what some of these people FAIL to realize is that their opinion is not shared by the majority of Halo players (look at population statistics.)
>
> “If you suck so bad, stop playing with randoms!” (Wouldn’t everyone want to always be in a party with people instead of playing with randoms? Clearly there are reasons why people are forced to play with randoms and maybe you should ask why they with randoms instead of berating them for playing with randoms.)
>
> “You should be grateful that 343 is making NEW content. Stop complaining." (Sorry, but franchise staples should be in launch. Imagine a COD launching without team deathmatch, only to be added in later with a “free DLC update.” Last time I checked, Infection and firefight weren’t new content either.)
>
> "Halo needs to evolve" This one is actually right. It does need to evolve, but it needs to BUILD on previous game ideas, not steal from other franchises. Forge in 5 was evolved from previous games. Spartan Abilities are mimicked from other competitors. The campaign mimicked other games in the sense that it followed a linear, modern, added on-without-much-thought campaign. Less armor customization devolves from previous games. The soundtracks from 1-3 evolved by building a new element each game (2-guitar, 3-piano.) If Halo keeps evolving into its competitors, what is Halo? Why get excited for abilities if others games have them already. Halo was different because it had smooth gameplay WITHOUT these new mechanics. It didn’t need them then, it didn’t need them now. The only evolving that needs to be done is by evolving from past features of Halo, not other competitors.
>
> “I always find a match, who cares about population." Yeah, well I don’t always find a match. As I’ve played many other games outside Halo that have had their populations drop, I get lagged out more frequently. Anyways, this a bad attitude in general. It shows that you could care less about the bigger picture, which is the decline in popularity in Halo. As Viper Skills once said,
> "Typical replies from people who probably consider themselves halo fans. Too ignorant or just don’t care about the facts to actually discuss the issues. Like I have said before, a true fan/supporter of something cares about the big picture of whatever it is they support. In this case, halo has been outdone by other franchises, not only in terms of population but now in the quality of work as well. And you guys can only manage “cool story bro” replies. I guess even the community is dead since even they apparently don’t care what happens to halo.”
> "
> Your just a Halo hater" Yeah right. Most of us probably have played more Halo then you. Even if we haven’t we are still playing the games just like you.
>
> “We can’t go back to Halo 1-3, they are too slow” No… Speed doesn’t even affect the gameplay as much as you think, while personally I don’t like it. I can load up Halo 2 or 3, play a match, and get 20+ kills on “snail pace” gameplay and then load a game on Halo 5 and get 20+ kills on “good speed” gameplay. The point is, your performance does not change whether you play slower games or faster games, or I guess only for me.
>
> “Req system is good” I don’t even want to talk about this.
>
> "Its just nostalgia.” Maybe. Probably not. You see, the old games have near-universal praise for many reasons… compared to the above average praise at most for Halo 5.
>
> “Halo 5 was rushed though! Blame Microsoft!” Nope. Halo 5 had 3 years to be developed, just like Halo 2 and 3. Halo 2 was actually rushed. Halo 2 actually was developed in 2 YEARS, not 3. Just recently, Halo 2 was ranked #4 best FPS of all time on IGN’s newest list. No excuse whatsoever, considering how Halo 2 had one less year to be developed and still turned out better than Halo 5 by a LONGSHOT. How Halo 5 launched with less content than the old games is astounding.
>
> “We can’t go back to Halo 3 gameplay, otherwise we are playing the same game over and over again.” No one is asking that. What they mean is that Halo should evolve from Halo 3, as I said earlier. The beautiful thing was, while Halo 1-3 played very similarly, they were different. They built on each other. 4-5 built on other games.
>
> “Give them a break they are new” Well… its been 5 years since they have been in charge. They’ve been up in controversy since Halo:CEA multiplayer was basically just a map pack to Halo Reach’s multiplayer, if anyone even remembers that. Ok, that was forgivable. Halo 4- Awful game, universally disliked by Halo players as seen by population. Ok, they could be slightly forgivable… surely their next release will turn out right. Nope. We get MCC, which is probably in the top 5 worst triple-A disasters in gaming. Ok… well they will fix their mistake in Halo 5. Nope. They went one step forward, but took a leap back. Whenever they tried to add a feature, they took out a feature.
> New forge=no browser
> more armor=less customization
> new epic potential campaign=probably the worst campaign
> Warzone as a super big team battle/firefight=reqs
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> Ok, I’m done. If there are any more arguments to decipher, tell me. As a CE veteran from around '04, this series is like a brother to me. my brother can be messed up and going down, but its my job to help bring him back up.
> Feel free to comment… lets see what you guys agree on/ disagree on.

You’re wrong, on all points. And as a CE veteran from '01, my opinion trumps your own…seeing as how Halo was my brother first, and it’s my job to keep halo-hating, COD-playing, req-bashing, ungrateful for free content, Reach-5 disparaging, rando-loving, 343-maligning, nostalgia-driven, bad connection BK’s from trying to prevent Halo’s inevitable evolution into something better than the original trilogy, with the latter’s slow and rehashed gameplay. XD

Did I catch everything? :wink:

jk

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can we share it as a brother? You can be his older brother, I’ll be his younger.

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> can we share it as a brother? You can be his older brother, I’ll be his younger.

Sister, actually.

And yes, we can, but you have to be the red-headed step-brother. :wink:

Final offer.

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> > can we share it as a brother? You can be his older brother, I’ll be his younger.
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> Sister, actually.
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> And yes, we can, but you have to be the red-headed step-brother. :wink:
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> Final offer.

I guess I’ll take it.

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> > can we share it as a brother? You can be his older brother, I’ll be his younger.
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> Sister, actually.
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> And yes, we can, but you have to be the red-headed step-brother. :wink:
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> Final offer.

I started with CE and I’m in my 30s and I’m angry and named my son Thel Chief Johnson. I win. And I hereby deem all Halo games fun by their own merit and the variety that’s offered among the titles. They’d be redundant otherwise. The End.

… and I don’t have a son, but if I did …

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> > > can we share it as a brother? You can be his older brother, I’ll be his younger.
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> > Sister, actually.
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> > And yes, we can, but you have to be the red-headed step-brother. :wink:
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> > Final offer.
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> I started with CE and I’m in my 30s and I’m angry and named my son Thel Chief Johnson. I win. And I hereby deem all Halo games fun by their own merit and the variety that’s offered among the titles. They’d be redundant otherwise. The End.
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> … and I don’t have a son, but if I did …

a dog would’ve beaten you to the fence if you did…

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> > > > can we share it as a brother? You can be his older brother, I’ll be his younger.
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> > > Sister, actually.
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> > > And yes, we can, but you have to be the red-headed step-brother. :wink:
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> > > Final offer.
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> > I started with CE and I’m in my 30s and I’m angry and named my son Thel Chief Johnson. I win. And I hereby deem all Halo games fun by their own merit and the variety that’s offered among the titles. They’d be redundant otherwise. The End.
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> > … and I don’t have a son, but if I did …
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> a dog would’ve beaten you to the fence if you did…

:open_mouth:
You have now won. You get to decide the best Halo game.

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My opinion… Halo 2 on PC.

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> And about “when they add a feature, they remove a feature”. Think about it like this: Halo 2 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and feature from Halo CE plus a few new things. Halo 5 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and features from CE, H2, H3, ODST, Reach, H2A, & H4, plus armors and weapons and vehicles and all that noise in order to get everyone to unanimously agree that the game was “complete”. And that’s not to mention any new modes like Breakout, Strongholds, or Warzone. 7 games rolled into one. It’s not possible. That’s why no one will ever agree that the game is done because someone’s favorite mode from Halo 2 was cut or someone else’s favorite armor from Halo 3 was cut, or this weapon from Reach didn’t make it, etc. There’s just too much Halo preceding it. That’s no excuse for its condition at launch, though.

The problem is there really are no new modes. Breakout is literally neutral flag elimination. Warzone is bigger Strongholds, and even that is modified Territories. Warzone could have easily been 12v12 BTB. It doesn’t need the horrible REQ system and needlessly large maps. We also didn’t need +200 armor sets, with every unique set with slight differences. Everyone would have been happier if they had just given us the most popular modes. No one asked for Warzone. Their need to constantly reinvent the wheel with everything isn’t helping.

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> > And about “when they add a feature, they remove a feature”. Think about it like this: Halo 2 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and feature from Halo CE plus a few new things. Halo 5 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and features from CE, H2, H3, ODST, Reach, H2A, & H4, plus armors and weapons and vehicles and all that noise in order to get everyone to unanimously agree that the game was “complete”. And that’s not to mention any new modes like Breakout, Strongholds, or Warzone. 7 games rolled into one. It’s not possible. That’s why no one will ever agree that the game is done because someone’s favorite mode from Halo 2 was cut or someone else’s favorite armor from Halo 3 was cut, or this weapon from Reach didn’t make it, etc. There’s just too much Halo preceding it. That’s no excuse for its condition at launch, though.
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> The problem is there really are no new modes. Breakout is literally neutral flag elimination. Warzone is bigger Strongholds, and even that is modified Territories. Warzone could have easily been 12v12 BTB. It doesn’t need the horrible REQ system and needlessly large maps. We also didn’t need +200 armor sets, with every unique set with slight differences. Everyone would have been happier if they had just given us the most popular modes. No one asked for Warzone. Their need to constantly reinvent the wheel with everything isn’t helping.

Exactly. Just build on previous ideas. The problem is, a good developer can reinvent the wheel in a good way. 343 can’t.

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i have to say that i think there are times that “not another one of these threads” fits and makes sense. we don’t need another sprint thread or autos thread. if 343 is gonna hear that argument, i think that horse is past beaten to death. post in one of the 100000000 other threads about it again if you wanna make sure they don’t forget. but we don’t need another “NERF THE SMG” thread or another “SPRINT IS STUPID” thread. there are plenty to choose from to bump. you don’t have an original idea on the subject. I promise. every idea has happened at this point.

also not everyone agrees with either of those things. at this point, I’m guessing it was already decided months ago whether Halo 6 would have sprint and weapon balance or a utility weapon anyways. its pretty pivotal to how levels and gameplay are designed.

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> i have to say that i think there are times that “not another one of these threads” fits and makes sense. we don’t need another sprint thread or autos thread. if 343 is gonna hear that argument, i think that horse is past beaten to death. post in one of the 100000000 other threads about it again if you wanna make sure they don’t forget. but we don’t need another “NERF THE SMG” thread or another “SPRINT IS STUPID” thread. there are plenty to choose from to bump. you don’t have an original idea on the subject. I promise. every idea has happened at this point.
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> also not everyone agrees with either of those things. at this point, I’m guessing it was already decided months ago whether Halo 6 would have sprint and weapon balance or a utility weapon anyways. its pretty pivotal to how levels and gameplay are designed.

Never mentioned sprint once in my post. I never said sprint is stupid, or nerf the smg. What I did talk about is how the people who argue on here have flawed arguments, and why they are wrong.

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> > And about “when they add a feature, they remove a feature”. Think about it like this: Halo 2 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and feature from Halo CE plus a few new things. Halo 5 had a three year development cycle. It needed to have all the modes and features from CE, H2, H3, ODST, Reach, H2A, & H4, plus armors and weapons and vehicles and all that noise in order to get everyone to unanimously agree that the game was “complete”. And that’s not to mention any new modes like Breakout, Strongholds, or Warzone. 7 games rolled into one. It’s not possible. That’s why no one will ever agree that the game is done because someone’s favorite mode from Halo 2 was cut or someone else’s favorite armor from Halo 3 was cut, or this weapon from Reach didn’t make it, etc. There’s just too much Halo preceding it. That’s no excuse for its condition at launch, though.
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> The problem is there really are no new modes. Breakout is literally neutral flag elimination. Warzone is bigger Strongholds, and even that is modified Territories. Warzone could have easily been 12v12 BTB. It doesn’t need the horrible REQ system and needlessly large maps. We also didn’t need +200 armor sets, with every unique set with slight differences. Everyone would have been happier if they had just given us the most popular modes. No one asked for Warzone. Their need to constantly reinvent the wheel with everything isn’t helping.

You get a point.