A thought has occurred to me as I was reading another post. Does the Primordial control the Gravemind?(Post that got me thinking)
The Timeless one aka the last the Primordial according to Halo lore was destroyed when the Master Builder tested out one of the Halos but its consciousness was transferred to the Gravemind on Installation 07. Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t and couldn’t there be multiple Graveminds and aren’t they all connected to each other by a weird telepathy thing or something like the Borg from Star Trek? If so and this might be a stretch, does that mean with the Consciousness of the Primordial transferred to the one on Installation 07 that it technically controls that one thereby controlling all of them?
That’s also another question I have to squeeze in here: Isn’t Installation 07 controlled by the UNSC and Sangheili? Is the Gravemind still alive on that ring or did I miss something in all of the Halo Lore that I’ve absorbed since 2001?
Thoughts?
As far as I understand it, the Primordial controls the Gravemind in that it essentially is a Gravemind.
And based on what I’m seeing on Halopedia… a Flood presence remained on Installation 07, but it has been inactive and was put under heavy watch. I don’t think the Gravemind remained there, though.
The exact relationship between the Primordial and the Gravemind(s) has always kind of flummoxed me a bit. The Primordial kind of WAS the first Gravemind, and yet kind of wasn’t… it wasn’t formed the same way, thru the massing of dead biomatter, but it seems like its consciousness was one and the same.
There have been before, and could be again, multiple Graveminds, yes. When there is more than one, yes they all share the same memories and are able to coordinate the collective consciousness of the Flood together. (I like your analogy to the Borg, I’m a Star Trek fan and I’ve always kind of thought of the Flood as being like a biological version of the Borg.) The consciousness of the Primordial is incorporated into every Gravemind past and future, including any on Zeta Halo.
As far as whether there is a Gravemind on Zeta Halo at the moment, I honestly don’t know. I haven’t heard that there is, but I’ve missed out on some reading over the last year.
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> As far as I understand it, the Primordial controls the Gravemind in that it essentially is a Gravemind.
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> And based on what I’m seeing on Halopedia… a Flood presence remained on Installation 07, but it has been inactive and was put under heavy watch. I don’t think the Gravemind remained there, though.
Any idea where it went if it left? Hmmm inactive or playing opossum? I wonder.
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> The exact relationship between the Primordial and the Gravemind(s) has always kind of flummoxed me a bit. The Primordial kind of WAS the first Gravemind, and yet kind of wasn’t… it wasn’t formed the same way, thru the massing of dead biomatter, but it seems like its consciousness was one and the same.
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> There have been before, and could be again, multiple Graveminds, yes. When there is more than one, yes they all share the same memories and are able to coordinate the collective consciousness of the Flood together. (I like your analogy to the Borg, I’m a Star Trek fan and I’ve always kind of thought of the Flood as being like a biological version of the Borg.) The consciousness of the Primordial is incorporated into every Gravemind past and future, including any on Zeta Halo.
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> As far as whether there is a Gravemind on Zeta Halo at the moment, I honestly don’t know. I haven’t heard that there is, but I’ve missed out on some reading over the last year.
If it is on Zeta Halo then I wonder if with the Created controlling everything in site and more or less emp ing everything if the humans and elites guarding that site crashed onto Zeta Halo. If so, would that have awakened the inactive Primordial? Hmmmm I wonder.
Speaking about the Flood with relation to Infinite reminds me of the repeated conversations regarding the Flood/Precursors leading up to Halo 4 and 5. It’s certainly possible, and if it will happen you could even say that it has been foreshadowed in Primordium… but…
343i never seemed eager to bring the Flood back into the fold. No matter how often fans speculated about it. The current storylibe is already a mouthful, and adding the Flood could only further complicate it. Besides, 343i’s stories were always less complex than fans thought they’d be.
The Primordial is the Gravemind now essentially. There doesn’t appear to be any distinction between any Graveminds personality wise at least after the Primordial transferred it’s essence into the Flood Hive mind. We don’t what the Graveminds were like prior to that in terms of personality.
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> The Primordial is the Gravemind now essentially. There doesn’t appear to be any distinction between any Graveminds personality wise at least after the Primordial transferred it’s essence into the Flood Hive mind. We don’t what the Graveminds were like prior to that in terms of personality.
so… what you’re saying is that for all we know the grave-minds were really mindless and when the Primordial came along it gave them actual thought. Hmm interesting. Why is there no backstory like so many other Halo facts? Hey 343, we need another book or a backstory introduced into the game that explains this topic more I think, please.
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> > The Primordial is the Gravemind now essentially. There doesn’t appear to be any distinction between any Graveminds personality wise at least after the Primordial transferred it’s essence into the Flood Hive mind. We don’t what the Graveminds were like prior to that in terms of personality.
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> so… what you’re saying is that for all we know the grave-minds were really mindless and when the Primordial came along it gave them actual thought. Hmm interesting. Why is there no backstory like so many other Halo facts? Hey 343, we need another book or a backstory introduced into the game that explains this topic more I think, please.
I’m not saying they were mindless prior to the Primordial merging with the hive mind. I’m just saying we have no idea what a Gravemind was like in terms of personality prior to that. But the Graveminds had to be intelligent prior to that or else they would not have been able to pull off the Flood’s plan in the human-Forerunner war where the Flood decided to retreat to fool the Forerunners into thinking humanity found a cure.
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> > > The Primordial is the Gravemind now essentially. There doesn’t appear to be any distinction between any Graveminds personality wise at least after the Primordial transferred it’s essence into the Flood Hive mind. We don’t what the Graveminds were like prior to that in terms of personality.
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> > so… what you’re saying is that for all we know the grave-minds were really mindless and when the Primordial came along it gave them actual thought. Hmm interesting. Why is there no backstory like so many other Halo facts? Hey 343, we need another book or a backstory introduced into the game that explains this topic more I think, please.
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> I’m not saying they were mindless prior to the Primordial merging with the hive mind. I’m just saying we have no idea what a Gravemind was like in terms of personality prior to that. But the Graveminds had to be intelligent prior to that or else they would not have been able to pull off the Flood’s plan in the human-Forerunner war where the Flood decided to retreat to fool the Forerunners into thinking humanity found a cure.
I see what your saying. The Primordial kind of made them smarter than they already were. Sorry. i’m bad at wording. Great a t though just bad at wording.
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> As far as I understand it, the Primordial controls the Gravemind in that it essentially is a Gravemind.
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> And based on what I’m seeing on Halopedia… a Flood presence remained on Installation 07, but it has been inactive and was put under heavy watch. I don’t think the Gravemind remained there, though.
Agreed