Does the community ruin the game for you?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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A pretty easy question. Because so many people here on Waypoint seem more eager to bash on Halo 5 than they are to enjoy it, do you find yourself having more fun with the game the more you distance yourself from this place? For me: yes. Getting past all of the people who complain about Forge, the armors, the REQ system, the Spartan abilities, the maps, the story, et cetera… Eh, what I’m saying is that, the more I ignore folks who say they’re trying to help the franchise, the more fun I have with it.

So does the community put a bitter taste in your mouth? And before you say: “343 put the bitter tastes in our mouths!”, yeah, I’m referring to you in the title.

P.S. I’m going to be blunt and state that I’m not trying to insult the Halo community (much), and this post shouldn’t be interpreted as such.

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> P.S. I’m going to be blunt and state that I’m not trying to insult the Halo community (much), and this post shouldn’t be interpreted as such.

Except that’s exactly what you’re doing…

The community doesn’t ruin my enjoyment of Halo 5. I don’t currently play Halo 5, and even if I did you rarely if ever run into critics in the game itself.

It does put a bitter taste in my mouth seeing all these people preaching about toxicity while simultaneously being the ones who are directly responsible for stirring up drama in the first place.

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Rational debate about the state of the community and how they affect the game?!? Never! People like you are killing halo!!1!

Sarcasm

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The game ruined the community. If 343 know how to develop at least one successful Halo game then there wouldn’t be so many pissed off players.

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Bash on Halo 5?

So the fact it is missing the vast majority of game types that have been part of halo since 2001 is “bashing”?
The fact that the majority of the armour is ugly as hell, and hardly looks functional?
The fact that the REQ system is not a progression system, but RNG? sees someone with DMR/any other ‘cool’ item “oh they got lucky” instead of “they must be good to get that/ out a lot of time in”
The fact that the “free DLC” is essentially cut content? Don’t believe me? You can clearly see the “new” war zone map in the pre launch war zone trailer.
The fact that the campaign ignored all the great plot points of halo 4-I.e the whole chief has humanity etc etc and ignoring hunt the truth? The false advertising? Yes false, saying that the campaign would be a battle of ideals between Locke and chief is completely misleading, as they had a 5 minute fist fight then became best buds when they met again without debate.
The fact there is a sore lack of playlists, even 2 months after launch?

Yeh that’s not bashing, that’s what it is. Yes, many posts get heated to where it is genuinely bashing, however, the community is not ruining the game at all- we have said repeatedly what is needed, even pre launch- one great example was the playable elites thread- the biggest request as far as I know- completely ignored.

And I was disappointed in this game way before I even touched the forums, so don’t blame the community for all the negative feedback.

This game still has enormous potential, but, I doubt it will see it at this rate.

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Who knows, maybe after all the “screw ups” 343 will one day accidentally make a godly halo game better than the classics.

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> This game still has enormous potential, but, I doubt it will see it at this rate.

Thing is, if you make a mistake, you can’t take like an entire year to fix it. You have to get on it right away.

By the time Halo 5 reaches its full potential no one will even be left playing it to care. Happened to Halo Reach with it’s TU. Happened to Halo 4 with its various updates.

> Rational debate about the state of the community and how they affect the game?!? Never! People like you are killing halo!!1!Sarcasm

Here’s the thing. Of the thousands of people playing Halo 5, how many do you think actually visit this site, let alone even more obscure and “toxic” sites like Beyond? Probably not even 10%.

The complaints might be ruining the forums, but they aren’t ruining the game.

> Who knows, maybe after all the “screw ups” 343 will one day accidentally make a godly halo game better than the classics.

I’m not holding my breath. I think really 343I is just in an unwinnable situation.

Diehard veterans hate the new games for the most part.
The average modern gamer doesn’t care about Halo anymore and probably never will. Fads rise and fall, and Halo is no different.

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> The community doesn’t ruin my enjoyment of Halo 5. I don’t currently play Halo 5, and even if I did you rarely if ever run into critics in the game itself.
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> It does put a bitter taste in my mouth seeing all these people preaching about toxicity while simultaneously being the ones who are directly responsible for stirring up drama in the first place.

You’re the type of person I’m talking about.

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> Bash on Halo 5?
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> So the fact it is missing the vast majority of game types that have been part of halo since 2001 is “bashing”?
> The fact that the majority of the armour is ugly as hell, and hardly looks functional?
> The fact that the REQ system is not a progression system, but RNG? sees someone with DMR/any other ‘cool’ item “oh they got lucky” instead of “they must be good to get that/ out a lot of time in”
> The fact that the “free DLC” is essentially cut content? Don’t believe me? You can clearly see the “new” war zone map in the pre launch war zone trailer.
> The fact that the campaign ignored all the great plot points of halo 4-I.e the whole chief has humanity etc etc and ignoring hunt the truth? The false advertising? Yes false, saying that the campaign would be a battle of ideals between Locke and chief is completely misleading, as they had a 5 minute fist fight then became best buds when they met again without debate.
> The fact there is a sore lack of playlists, even 2 months after launch?
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> Yeh that’s not bashing, that’s what it is. Yes, many posts get heated to where it is genuinely bashing, however, the community is not ruining the game at all- we have said repeatedly what is needed, even pre launch- one great example was the playable elites thread- the biggest request as far as I know- completely ignored.
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> And I was disappointed in this game way before I even touched the forums, so don’t blame the community for all the negative feedback.
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> This game still has enormous potential, but, I doubt it will see it at this rate.

I never said that the game is perfect. I for one think it’s ridiculous that Halo 5 shipped out unfinished, that it’s missing so many game-types, that the story is poorly written, and that we freaking need Infection! I’m just asking if the negativity of the community puts a damper in your enjoyment of the game.

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> A pretty easy question. Because so many people here on Waypoint seem more eager to bash on Halo 5 than they are to enjoy it, do you find yourself having more fun with the game the more you distance yourself from this place? For me: yes. Getting past all of the people who complain about Forge, the armors, the REQ system, the Spartan abilities, the maps, the story, et cetera… Eh, what I’m saying is that, the more I ignore folks who say they’re trying to help the franchise, the more fun I have with it.
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> So does the community put a bitter taste in your mouth? And before you say: “343 put the bitter tastes in our mouths!”, yeah, I’m referring to you in the title.
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> P.S. I’m going to be blunt and state that I’m not trying to insult the Halo community (much), and this post shouldn’t be interpreted as such.

Anyone who disliked the game is gone by now either the constant banning, rants, negativity, unplayable games, lack of modes, repetitive play towards them drove them out. I’m just here observing how forge since it still came out bug filled. All what remains are the white knights, the ones who still have hope, the ones who won’t bother to play another game since this fall is pretty much incomplete games, or they just were waiting for forge to find it is broken for them.

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> > This game still has enormous potential, but, I doubt it will see it at this rate.
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> Thing is, if you make a mistake, you can’t take like an entire year to fix it. You have to get on it right away.
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> By the time Halo 5 reaches its full potential no one will even be left playing it to care. Happened to Halo Reach with it’s TU. Happened to Halo 4 with its various updates.
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> > Rational debate about the state of the community and how they affect the game?!? Never! People like you are killing halo!!1!Sarcasm
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> Here’s the thing. Of the thousands of people playing Halo 5, how many do you think actually visit this site, let alone even more obscure and “toxic” sites like Beyond? Probably not even 10%.
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> The complaints might be ruining the forums, but they aren’t ruining the game.
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> > Who knows, maybe after all the “screw ups” 343 will one day accidentally make a godly halo game better than the classics.
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> I’m not holding my breath. I think really 343I is just in an unwinnable situation.
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> Diehard veterans hate the new games for the most part.
> The average modern gamer doesn’t care about Halo anymore and probably never will. Fads rise and fall, and Halo is no different.

I agree, I’m just trying to remain a little optimistic, because I WANT to enjoy this game, but just can’t, it’s just that bad.

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> > A pretty easy question. Because so many people here on Waypoint seem more eager to bash on Halo 5 than they are to enjoy it, do you find yourself having more fun with the game the more you distance yourself from this place? For me: yes. Getting past all of the people who complain about Forge, the armors, the REQ system, the Spartan abilities, the maps, the story, et cetera… Eh, what I’m saying is that, the more I ignore folks who say they’re trying to help the franchise, the more fun I have with it.
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> > So does the community put a bitter taste in your mouth? And before you say: “343 put the bitter tastes in our mouths!”, yeah, I’m referring to you in the title.
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> > P.S. I’m going to be blunt and state that I’m not trying to insult the Halo community (much), and this post shouldn’t be interpreted as such.
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> Anyone who disliked the game is gone by now either the constant banning, rants, negativity, unplayable games, lack of modes, repetitive play towards them drove them out. I’m just here observing how forge since it still came out bug filled. All what remains are the white knights, the ones who still have hope, the ones who won’t bother to play another game since this fall is pretty much incomplete games, or they just were waiting for forge to find it is broken for them.

Wait, what? Forge is full of bugs? That’s new. I’ve been having fun for hours on Forge and I’ve only encountered one problem where the switch kept going back to its initial spawn-point, though I ended up fixing that.

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> > So the fact it is missing the vast majority of game types that have been part of halo since 2001 is “bashing”?
> > The fact that the majority of the armour is ugly as hell, and hardly looks functional?
> > The fact that the REQ system is not a progression system, but RNG? sees someone with DMR/any other ‘cool’ item “oh they got lucky” instead of “they must be good to get that/ out a lot of time in”
> > The fact that the “free DLC” is essentially cut content? Don’t believe me? You can clearly see the “new” war zone map in the pre launch war zone trailer.
> > The fact that the campaign ignored all the great plot points of halo 4-I.e the whole chief has humanity etc etc and ignoring hunt the truth? The false advertising? Yes false, saying that the campaign would be a battle of ideals between Locke and chief is completely misleading, as they had a 5 minute fist fight then became best buds when they met again without debate.
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> > Yeh that’s not bashing, that’s what it is. Yes, many posts get heated to where it is genuinely bashing, however, the community is not ruining the game at all- we have said repeatedly what is needed, even pre launch- one great example was the playable elites thread- the biggest request as far as I know- completely ignored.
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> I never said that the game is perfect. I for one think it’s ridiculous that the Halo 5 shipped out unfinished, that it’s missing so many game-types, that the story is poorly written, and that we freaking need Infection! I’m just asking if the negativity of the community puts a damper in your enjoyment of the game.

I know what you said, and I said no it does not.

And saying what is wrong with the game is not being negative, if anything it’s going to make the game better.

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> > > So the fact it is missing the vast majority of game types that have been part of halo since 2001 is “bashing”?
> > > The fact that the majority of the armour is ugly as hell, and hardly looks functional?
> > > The fact that the REQ system is not a progression system, but RNG? sees someone with DMR/any other ‘cool’ item “oh they got lucky” instead of “they must be good to get that/ out a lot of time in”
> > > The fact that the “free DLC” is essentially cut content? Don’t believe me? You can clearly see the “new” war zone map in the pre launch war zone trailer.
> > > The fact that the campaign ignored all the great plot points of halo 4-I.e the whole chief has humanity etc etc and ignoring hunt the truth? The false advertising? Yes false, saying that the campaign would be a battle of ideals between Locke and chief is completely misleading, as they had a 5 minute fist fight then became best buds when they met again without debate.
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> > > Yeh that’s not bashing, that’s what it is. Yes, many posts get heated to where it is genuinely bashing, however, the community is not ruining the game at all- we have said repeatedly what is needed, even pre launch- one great example was the playable elites thread- the biggest request as far as I know- completely ignored.
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> > > And I was disappointed in this game way before I even touched the forums, so don’t blame the community for all the negative feedback.
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> > I never said that the game is perfect. I for one think it’s ridiculous that the Halo 5 shipped out unfinished, that it’s missing so many game-types, that the story is poorly written, and that we freaking need Infection! I’m just asking if the negativity of the community puts a damper in your enjoyment of the game.
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> And saying what is wrong with the game is not being negative, if anything it’s going to make the game better.

There’s a very vivid difference between constructive criticism and nit-picking about near-literally everything to the nth degree. So many people here think that they sound smart by doing the latter, when it really just makes them come off as incredibly depressing.

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Does the community ruin the game for you?

Hmm, let’s see. I’ve recently gotten some decent internet (for Australia anyways) and I’ve been testing out some streaming with Halo: Reach, just to get familiar with it and what not. Haven’t been doing it for a week before a very aggressive group of people, who apparently still hold a grudge from something I said years ago that they misinterpreted and I don’t care about anymore, started watching the stream last night just to try and catch me on the opposite team, just so that they can start harassing and insulting me, with the added bonus of possibly spawncamping and teabagging me as ‘punishment’ for daring to have a different opinion.

So yeah, I think the community really does ruin the franchise.

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> > > > So the fact it is missing the vast majority of game types that have been part of halo since 2001 is “bashing”?
> > > > The fact that the majority of the armour is ugly as hell, and hardly looks functional?
> > > > The fact that the REQ system is not a progression system, but RNG? sees someone with DMR/any other ‘cool’ item “oh they got lucky” instead of “they must be good to get that/ out a lot of time in”
> > > > The fact that the “free DLC” is essentially cut content? Don’t believe me? You can clearly see the “new” war zone map in the pre launch war zone trailer.
> > > > The fact that the campaign ignored all the great plot points of halo 4-I.e the whole chief has humanity etc etc and ignoring hunt the truth? The false advertising? Yes false, saying that the campaign would be a battle of ideals between Locke and chief is completely misleading, as they had a 5 minute fist fight then became best buds when they met again without debate.
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> > > > Yeh that’s not bashing, that’s what it is. Yes, many posts get heated to where it is genuinely bashing, however, the community is not ruining the game at all- we have said repeatedly what is needed, even pre launch- one great example was the playable elites thread- the biggest request as far as I know- completely ignored.
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> > > > And I was disappointed in this game way before I even touched the forums, so don’t blame the community for all the negative feedback.
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> > > I never said that the game is perfect. I for one think it’s ridiculous that the Halo 5 shipped out unfinished, that it’s missing so many game-types, that the story is poorly written, and that we freaking need Infection! I’m just asking if the negativity of the community puts a damper in your enjoyment of the game.
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> There’s a very vivid difference between constructive criticism and nit-picking about near-literally everything to the nth degree. So many people here think that they sound smart by doing the latter, when it really just makes them come off as incredibly depressing.

What gives you the right to judge what people can, and can not say about a game they paid money for? For all you know the people nit picking spent hundreds of dollars on the limited console, and merchandise to support the game- while going with the hype- only to be disappointed. I spent $150 on this game, and I feel it was not worth it at all. Nit picking or not, issues are issues, no matter how small, and if they are picking out such small things, why aren’t they being addressed? Also, what makes you think they care about “looking smart”? They see something wrong with the game, and they say it- to benefit the community and the game!

Its no use saying that this place is full of negativity, because look at the most popular post, the request for elites. No nitpicking, no “negativity”- and yet 343 ignored a request that was made in 2012 and garnered huge support.

The result of this is 2 things

Constructive criticism and nitpicking- which you get with a bad game regardless

And the hate filled posts- which is a result of 343 ignoring the big requests which were being genuine and not “hateful”.

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> > > > > So the fact it is missing the vast majority of game types that have been part of halo since 2001 is “bashing”?
> > > > > The fact that the majority of the armour is ugly as hell, and hardly looks functional?
> > > > > The fact that the REQ system is not a progression system, but RNG? sees someone with DMR/any other ‘cool’ item “oh they got lucky” instead of “they must be good to get that/ out a lot of time in”
> > > > > The fact that the “free DLC” is essentially cut content? Don’t believe me? You can clearly see the “new” war zone map in the pre launch war zone trailer.
> > > > > The fact that the campaign ignored all the great plot points of halo 4-I.e the whole chief has humanity etc etc and ignoring hunt the truth? The false advertising? Yes false, saying that the campaign would be a battle of ideals between Locke and chief is completely misleading, as they had a 5 minute fist fight then became best buds when they met again without debate.
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> > > > > Yeh that’s not bashing, that’s what it is. Yes, many posts get heated to where it is genuinely bashing, however, the community is not ruining the game at all- we have said repeatedly what is needed, even pre launch- one great example was the playable elites thread- the biggest request as far as I know- completely ignored.
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> > > > > And I was disappointed in this game way before I even touched the forums, so don’t blame the community for all the negative feedback.
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> > > > > This game still has enormous potential, but, I doubt it will see it at this rate.
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> > > > I never said that the game is perfect. I for one think it’s ridiculous that the Halo 5 shipped out unfinished, that it’s missing so many game-types, that the story is poorly written, and that we freaking need Infection! I’m just asking if the negativity of the community puts a damper in your enjoyment of the game.
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> > > I know what you said, and I said no it does not.
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> > > And saying what is wrong with the game is not being negative, if anything it’s going to make the game better.
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> What gives you the right to judge what people can, and can not say about a game they paid money for? For all you know the people nit picking spent hundreds of dollars on the limited console, and merchandise to support the game- while going with the hype- only to be disappointed. I spent $150 on this game, and I feel it was not worth it at all. Nit picking or not, issues are issues, no matter how small, and if they are picking out such small things, why aren’t they being addressed? Also, what makes you think they care about “looking smart”? They see something wrong with the game, and they say it- to benefit the community and the game!
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> Its no use saying that this place is full of negativity, because look at the most popular post, the request for elites. No nitpicking, no “negativity”- and yet 343 ignored a request that was made in 2012 and garnered huge support.
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> And the hate filled posts- which is a result of 343 ignoring the big requests which were being genuine and not “hateful”.

Being overly nitpicky doesn’t help the game. There’s a reason why this community has such a bad reputation nowadays, and that’s because it whines about everything that’s not Halo 2. Discussing legitimate issues is fine; saying how the armor system isn’t identical to Reach is not. Sure, people have the right to say what they want (we all have freedom of speech), but when you put the act of pointing out a game’s errors above enjoying it just for the sake of it, that to me is just plain obnoxious.

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No offense to anyone, but I don’t take these forums or the Halo community that seriously. Some people have legitimate concerns/complaints about the game and those are the treads I will participate in. The posters and threads that are obviously trolls, why should I let it get to me? It’s the internet. Same as gaming with a mic online.

Also, my main issues with Halo 5, I have been told they are petty or not that big of a deal, but at the end of the day, each gamer wants a certain type of product. Trolls and overall complainers just to complain aside, some people have real concerns that should at least be discussed.

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> > > A pretty easy question. Because so many people here on Waypoint seem more eager to bash on Halo 5 than they are to enjoy it, do you find yourself having more fun with the game the more you distance yourself from this place? For me: yes. Getting past all of the people who complain about Forge, the armors, the REQ system, the Spartan abilities, the maps, the story, et cetera… Eh, what I’m saying is that, the more I ignore folks who say they’re trying to help the franchise, the more fun I have with it.
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> > > So does the community put a bitter taste in your mouth? And before you say: “343 put the bitter tastes in our mouths!”, yeah, I’m referring to you in the title.
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> > > P.S. I’m going to be blunt and state that I’m not trying to insult the Halo community (much), and this post shouldn’t be interpreted as such.
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> > Anyone who disliked the game is gone by now either the constant banning, rants, negativity, unplayable games, lack of modes, repetitive play towards them drove them out. I’m just here observing how forge since it still came out bug filled. All what remains are the white knights, the ones who still have hope, the ones who won’t bother to play another game since this fall is pretty much incomplete games, or they just were waiting for forge to find it is broken for them.
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O.o we are reporting the stuff that goes with forge like the Mantis being able to welded but not supposed to be, sword reflect wrongly, the fog, the initial spawn points causing the game to crash, your map saying retrieving data, grenades reacting towards invisible blockers etc. All sorts of bugs

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Pro Tip: stay away from the gamestop lurking, neckbearded, keyboard warriors and hone your skill in Swagnums against them while they try to get their K/D up while simultaneously typing on their computer about how much they hate everything about the game.

Pro Tip: for aforementioned neckbeard legends, go to gamestop, buy something from Ubisoft and bother them. kthnxbye

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I don’t find the community here anymore depressing for it whining and moaning than any other gaming community I’ve been a part of and I do enjoy being here, trying to be positive and smacking those with insane opinions down.

Where I feel the Halo community makes my experience worse (not ruin it) is the lack of communication in game.