Does Jameson Locke look up to the master cheif?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > Locke looks up to every other human alive because he knows he’s such a bad character :joy:
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It’s a widespread sentiment, so nah. I’ve seen criticism towards Locke that ranges from the delusional (apparently he is arrogant and rude when he isn’t) to the generic (who I quoted). And naturally there is hardly any justification for any of it. But if it doesn’t apply to you as a member of the community don’t worry about it.

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> > > I think he looks up to him as all Spartans probably do. He is the best Spartan ever. He pretty much saved humanity. But if you watched Nightfall and listened about Locke he is the type to carry out a mission no matter what even if he doesn’t like it.
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Seeing as how Kurt beat him several times in training, I’m going to go ahead and say no.

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> Nice to see the community still has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to analyzing characters.

Nice to see you still act condescending when it comes to Locke, presenting your personal opinions as fact, refusing to see other perspectives and patronizing people for having them.

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> Well, do explain why.

  • No character development (in any of the stories he appeared in, including Nightfall)
  • No personal faults, does nothing wrong, has no traits that he needs to overcome (ties into point 1)
  • Not even quirks or idiosyncrasies
    In writing terms, he’s a flat, static Mary Sue character. Simple and boring.
    Just because John is one as well (or at least was, prior to Halo 4) does not absolve Locke from being poorly conceived and developed.
    The only good thing about him that can be said is that he never acted out of character the way John and Cortana did (since he has so little of a character in the first place).
    IMHO, btw.
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> - No character development (in any of the stories he appeared in, including Nightfall)
> - No personal faults, does nothing wrong, has no traits that he needs to overcome (ties into point 1)
> - Not even quirks or idiosyncrasies
> In writing terms, he’s a flat, static Mary Sue character. Simple and boring.
> Just because John is one as well (or at least was, prior to Halo 4) does not absolve Locke from being poorly conceived and developed.
> The only good thing about him that can be said is that he never acted out of character the way John and Cortana did (since he has so little of a character in the first place).
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I was with ya until you busted out there Mary Sue line, something so overused at this point. As for your list of issues, I found Locke’s commitment to his values despite everything that happened during the event the Nightfall intriguing and tells you a lot about his character. He tries to appeal to the better nature of people, any people. He gave the Zealot a chance to surrender. He took the element miners as prisoners rather than just execute them. He even made last ditch efforts to appeal to the treasonous members of his team. Each time things went wrong. The Zealot managed to set off his bomb. The element miners ended up falling prey to Horrigan and Ramos, who further rejected Locke’s appeals. I’d say that was a pretty serious flaw, at least with Nightfall. It serves him better in Halo 5 with the likes of Sloan and the Arbiter and somewhat with Blue Team.

So I’m comfortable with seeing that as character development. Despite everything he’s been through, Locke hasn’t been cynically broken like so many other characters in Halo. That’s commendable in my book. I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing that put to the test further in Halo 6 or a future Halo game. Not everybody can be reasoned with, especially Cortana I’m assuming. So to say he has no faults is a bit of a stretch if we are including Nightfall.

Don’t get me wrong, Locke’s not perfect, but for the most part I don’t think people do analysis very well. They either make things up or just go “Locke’s bad” with little reasoning to back that up. If that sounds condensending, then I apologize, but I think there is more to him than people give him credit for. At the very worst, Locke’s kinda bland, but it was refreshing to see a competent Spartan-IV in action.

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> I was with ya until you busted out there Mary Sue line, something so overused at this point.

Something being overused doesn’t make it wrong by default.

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That’s not what I meant with “faults”. I meant character flaws. Being hotheaded, being stubborn, being egocentric, etc. Locke has none such traits.
And those things you mentioned was him failing while trying to do something commendable. That’s not making the character more round, it’s just sneakily trying to make him more likeable.

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> So I’m comfortable with seeing that as character development.

Wait, how is this character development? He already had all these positive attributes at the beginning of Nightfall (which is the earliest story in the chronology), and he neither shed himself of bad ones (since he doesn’t have any) nor gained any new ones in the meantime. (For completion’s sake: He also didn’t get any bad or lose good traits, Anakin Skywalker style.)

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> Not everybody can be reasoned with, especially Cortana I’m assuming. So to say he has no faults is a bit of a stretch if we are including Nightfall.

I still don’t see how this is a fault. Unless your are trying to say that this makes him incapable of approaching problems in different ways.

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> If that sounds condensending, then I apologize, but I think there is more to him than people give him credit for.

The problem was that your very first reaction to somebody (jokingly, I might add) saying something bad about Locke was not only to insinuate he/she had no idea of character analyzation, but that everybody in the community who thinks Locke is a bad character doesn’t. Even afterwards you called people delusional for perceiving him as arrogant. (Which I don’t, but I still don’t just dismiss other people’s opinion just because it doesn’t coincide with mine.)

And that’s not the only time you’ve done this. We’ve had this discussion several times before. I vividly remember last(?) time, when somebody didn’t like Locke as a character and you literally called his opinion “irrational”. (And before somebody tries to spin this a different way, no, it wasn’t me. In fact I don’t like Locke, but I also don’t dislike Locke. I find him unremarkable.)

I don’t know if you merely became bitter for talking to too many uniformed people (Trust me, I’ve been there) or you just have a personal bias, but whenever it comes to Locke, you’re not only overly protective, you almost prosecute people who don’t share your opinion.

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> At the very worst, Locke’s kinda bland, but it was refreshing to see a competent Spartan-IV in action.

To be fair, Palmer is equally as capable. And she still has some edges to her character. But people would have gone ape -Yoink-, if she had been Osiris’ leader and the main playable character in H5G.

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All I can really say is that a lot of the way people criticize Locke reminds me how criticism of the Chief happened with Halo 4. Now, I loved the direction they went with the Chief, but do you recall how he was said to be a whiner or emo? That’s pretty -Yoink- criticism no matter how generous we want to be about subjectivity. Some say Locke is rude and arrogant and I feel that is just as -Yoink- criticism. I can understand claims that he’s boring and I’d agree he isn’t the most dynamic character, but like I said I enjoy his professionalism and his willingness to not just shot first and ask questions later. Maybe the Locke teased in the ads would have been more dynamic given how sinister he seemed to be be, but it didn’t on out that way.

I’ll be frank, I probably go in guns-blazing on the topic of Locke too often, but I’d rather not see a repeat of what happened with Chief and his regression as a character in Halo 5. I’d rather see Locke be given to a more competent writer than Brian Reed. Sometimes that’s all that is needed. Ironically, all the people who shout for character development (not necessarily you) would deny that to Locke and the members of Osiris between their calls for them to be forgotten (despite criticizing 343 for neglecting plot points) or killed off (despite criticizing 343 for killing off Jul 'Mdama among others). I’d like to see them given a better chance than just be cast off because they didn’t have a solid first outing.

As for whether he has faults or anything else you mentioned, well, we’ve probably had this song and dance before and you know how I feel. I may not agree with you, but you actually laid out your reasoning. That’s all I ask of folks. I don’t seek to persecute so much as I seek to have people just think. If 343’s listening to feedback I’d rather have specific criticisms of Locke than just “He’s bad!”

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> > > > I think he looks up to him as all Spartans probably do. He is the best Spartan ever. He pretty much saved humanity. But if you watched Nightfall and listened about Locke he is the type to carry out a mission no matter what even if he doesn’t like it.
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And how many timess did chief beat him why was chief the "chief " he was the leader of all the spartans and the best ! Kurt died chief saved humanity

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> > > > > I think he looks up to him as all Spartans probably do. He is the best Spartan ever. He pretty much saved humanity. But if you watched Nightfall and listened about Locke he is the type to carry out a mission no matter what even if he doesn’t like it.
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> > > he is the luckiest, but is also the best Halsey and cortana both say so they say he isn’t the biggest the strongest the smartest but he is the best this is also compared to the IIs compared to the 3s and 4s all IIs are a cut above
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> And how many timess did chief beat him why was chief the "chief " he was the leader of all the spartans and the best ! Kurt died chief saved humanity

Chief got lucky. That’s all Chief has ever been. He’s not the best, period.

Chief is Chief because he gets lucky and has leadership skills. Leadership doesn’t mean a lot when it’s a 1v1, or 4v4 as the Spartans were trained in ( which Kurt’s team still beat John’s team an uncountable amount of times). Even John thinks this in Ghosts of Onyx

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> CelestisNow, I loved the direction they went with the Chief, but do you recall how he was said to be a whiner or emo? That’s pretty -Yoink- criticism no matter how generous we want to be about subjectivity.

I think we’ve already had this discussion as well, and while I get what they were going for and I don’t think they made him overly whiny or emo, I will never understand why he griefs so much about somebody (even disregarding that it’s an A.I., i.e. a piece of equipment) that he literally spent less than two weeks consciously with. Especially since he never had such an emotional reaction after deaths of fellow Spartans, his family that he grew up with and fought together over decades.

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Just be careful that you don’t antagonize people too much. It can have the exact opposite effect, disregarding your arguments outright, regardless of how valid or well-presented they may be. I don’t like it either, but humans just tick that way…

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Fair enough. I can agree with that. Although I’d rather see this begin as NPCs that still appear in cutscenes (similar to Noble Team), given that they remind people of H5G, which leaves a bitter taste in their mouths. To be frank, I’d rather see them killed off than forced upon the players who don’t like them. Keeping Locke as a playable character at this point would probably be worse than making Palmer the face of the Halo franchise from here on out. They need to be slowly reintroduced to players, giving them time to accommodate.

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> So I just played through the halo 5 campaign again and the part where Locke says “You’re not the only one here because of him” keeps sticking in my head. Do you think Locke once looked up to the Master Chief and that’s why he became a spartan or does he mean everyone would be dead otherwise?

I’ve always interpreted that line as Locke telling Buck that Buck’s reputation was not the only one on the line, and that Buck was not the only person there who was going to go hunt down the Chief.

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> > > > > > I think he looks up to him as all Spartans probably do. He is the best Spartan ever. He pretty much saved humanity. But if you watched Nightfall and listened about Locke he is the type to carry out a mission no matter what even if he doesn’t like it.
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> > > > he is the luckiest, but is also the best Halsey and cortana both say so they say he isn’t the biggest the strongest the smartest but he is the best this is also compared to the IIs compared to the 3s and 4s all IIs are a cut above
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He is quoted by cortana and Halsey to be the best we can agree to disagree there is a reason the game Is based on chief not kurt think you need to go back and do some more reading

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> > > > > > > I think he looks up to him as all Spartans probably do. He is the best Spartan ever. He pretty much saved humanity. But if you watched Nightfall and listened about Locke he is the type to carry out a mission no matter what even if he doesn’t like it.
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> > > > > he is the luckiest, but is also the best Halsey and cortana both say so they say he isn’t the biggest the strongest the smartest but he is the best this is also compared to the IIs compared to the 3s and 4s all IIs are a cut above
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Once again, Chief himself thought Kurt was better.

Now shall we trust the man himself or Space Stalin and Space… Who’s someone terrible who kidnapped kids to force them to be super soldiers?

Halo isn’t based on Chief. It’s a story about defending humanity against death. Bungie designed Chief in Halo CE to have little dialogue so the player could put themselves in his suit (which is why he never talks in gameplay until 343 took over, but only in cutscenes with limited dialogue).

He’s a main character in about 5 Halo games (arguably 4, given he only has 3 missions in Halo 5, either way it is still less than half the games), but he isn’t the focus. The focus is defend humanity.

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You’re right. Locke doesn’t have those traits. Know why? Because you just described Commander Palmer. Maximum for those types of character is 1 at a time.

Locke is somewhat like Chief was in Halo CE, just a bit more flat. Chief had moments of character development in Halo CE to show his personality, as did Locke in Nightfall/5 (he’s shown to have some sense of honor in Nightfall)

If we had Locke since Halo CE and Chief was the new guy, we probably would hate Chief and love Locke. Probably. Just assume yes. We may never know, unless this alternate timeline can be explored (it can’t be). And that’s if it exists (there are theoretically an infinite number of timelines, it’s science)

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I know but that doesn’t really make sense because Spartan III’s are smaller than II’s but IV’s are magically the same, sounds like 343 just wanted there want’a be Spartans to measure up to the MVPs (just saying)

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Ok, so assuming that nightfall and Halo 5 are what most people have seen him in what do we know about him? The answer not much we don’t get anything about him before these events. Where does he come from, how did he join Oni/Spartans, why did he join, what are his flaws and his qualities, what the flip does he mean when he says (your not the only one here because of him), does he look up to chief or not, why doesn’t he talk to Buck when Buck is talking to him? The list just go’s on but I think that Celestis covered that in he comments in this thread. (plus my breaks over so I gotta go :unamused:)

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But why kill Locke (and presumably the rest of Osiris) for the sake of the people who didn’t like them? What about the people who do? Without a major poll I’m not certain what the overall reception of Locke or Osiris as a whole was. Loved? No. Despised? I doubt that. Killing them grants the Halo story nothing whereas keeping them around at least gives us the possibility of better characters. It’s that or keep playing a game of Russian roulette with new characters.

Shoot, Jar Jar Binks of all characters has actually improved over the years with his role in the Clone Wars cartoon (still annoying at times but actually being useful because of it) and his recent appearance in the Empire’s End book as a clown performing acts for refugee kids in shame for his role in starting the Empire is at least compelling for where that character went.

If that that character can rebound (and I know that’s subjective) I think Locke is in a better spot. It’ll just depend on whether the people saying they want good characters with good character development actually mean it.

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Well, his background is at least detailed in his Halo Waypoint entry on this site. Some neat tidbits, would have liked them to be more explicit (especially the Jericho VII stuff), but it’s there. Should you have to read it? No, but ten again the games never dwelled or expanded much on any character’s background and nobody questioned that or held that against anybody.

All your other questions have possible answers depending on how much you want to dig. Does Locke respect Chief? I would take his not the only one here because of him statement to mean that. Why doesn’t he talk to Buck? I’d chalk that up to 343’s slipshod cinematography in Halo 5 (Blue Team has a similar problem). You’ve also got my other responses to Celestis to work with. Accept or reject them at your leisure.

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Well the reason I ask does he or does he not respect Chief is that in all the trailers it was like he could care less who he was and in the game you still can’t tell so basically I don’t think he’s a good character because 343 changed him from one source to another so nothing is consistent about him (and my breaks over again :unamused:)

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> So I just played through the halo 5 campaign again and the part where Locke says “You’re not the only one here because of him” keeps sticking in my head. Do you think Locke once looked up to the Master Chief and that’s why he became a spartan or does he mean everyone would be dead otherwise?

Yes. In Guardians, the final mission, if you hang around Bucke speculates on why Cortana is abducting the Chief. Locke says something like “its because she knows he can stop her.” Which I think points to him having an enormous amount of respect for the Chief.

Plus I remember this Xbox One trailer where they were advertising the 2015 games line up and it had a bit where Locke looks up to the statue of the Chief and says something about living up to the legend. Which does fit with the whole “can the Spartan 4’s cut it” and “new team” vibe they had going in Halo 5 and Spartan Ops.

I haven’t heard anything about that being exactly why he became a Spartan. But obviously becoming a Spartan has a lot more prestige simply because of the Chief. So the two are inseparable. Bucke says that “every Spartan, every soldier is going to hate us” (for stopping the Chief going to find Cortana); implying everybody in the UNSC military has that level of respect for him anyway.

For one thing, it is actually the Chief that attacks Locke first; not the other way around. So Locke is really defending himself and trying to stop the Chief doing something that’s going to land him in trouble. Which it does.

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> So I just played through the halo 5 campaign again and the part where Locke says “You’re not the only one here because of him” keeps sticking in my head. Do you think Locke once looked up to the Master Chief and that’s why he became a spartan or does he mean everyone would be dead otherwise?

I always question this line too. It’s delivered in a foreboding tone, almost like there’s more to that story that Locke isn’t going to expand on… I’m sure at a base level, all Spartans look up to the Chief, and humanity largely has him to thank for their survival, so there is that angle you could hear that line from and it’d make sense. But the way he says it… I don’t know - I may be reading into it, but it seems like there’s more to Locke’s background pertaining to the Chief then he lets on.