Does anyone else recognize this correlation.

Please, dont take this as stat flaming. I have no problem if your not so good at reach, its none of my business. But does anyone notice that people who dont like the updates mentioned are rated much better in arena than those that are in favour of the changes?

What im trying to get at is, being good at a game OBVIOUSLY shows you have a better understanding of it. Why should i trust little jimmie on how to make Halo 4, if he can only get 50% bronze? Lets be real here.

Now im also not saying that just because someone is better than you, they cant tell you anyone who doesnt like mac n cheese is stupid, but i just want you to see the correlation.

Its pretty obvious that, if someone understands the game better, they may not understand whats better for it, but they DO know what DOESNT work. Thats the 2 roles, Game developers try to find the good, and good players try to find the bad.

If anything, theres 2 things i want you to take away from this. Do you recognize the correlation? And do you recognize that being good at a game = better understanding of its functions?

The Arena doesn’t matter.

Please tell me you don’t go clicking everyone’s GT every time you disagree with them…

> The Arena doesn’t matter.

343 has it as the ranking system, it shows skill and understanding of the multiplayer functions.

Or should i be looking at your living dead K/D? Which frankly, anyone could get a good kd in with knowledge of a camping spot.

> Please tell me you don’t go clicking everyone’s GT every time you disagree with them…

Guilty. Well not all the time, maybe 1/25.

Even if i did, doesnt mean im wrong.

> > The Arena doesn’t matter.
>
> 343 has it as the ranking system, it shows skill and understanding of the multiplayer functions.
>
> Or should i be looking at your living dead K/D? Which frankly, anyone could get a good kd in with knowledge of a camping spot.

Guess i was right.

Well Frankie can’t even make Bronze in Arena, so obviously he has no idea how game mechanics work despite his work history and prior game development experience.

> > > The Arena doesn’t matter.
> >
> > 343 has it as the ranking system, it shows skill and understanding of the multiplayer functions.
> >
> > Or should i be looking at your living dead K/D? Which frankly, anyone could get a good kd in with knowledge of a camping spot.
>
> Guess i was right.

Alls i know is, when looking from the view of wanting good gameplay, why should i trust someone who cant master it? Or atleast get close.

This is nothing personal.

> Well Frankie can’t even make Bronze in Arena, so obviously he has no idea how game mechanics work despite his work history and prior game development experience.

Although i have NO proof to back this next statement up, i believe u have 0 evidence to refute.

Frankie is nothing but a figure head, theres a reason they also have the other dude as LEAD MULTIPLAYER DESIGNER. All Frankie probly does is make business deals (not saying hes not in love with halo, its probly his life)

> > > > The Arena doesn’t matter.
> > >
> > > 343 has it as the ranking system, it shows skill and understanding of the multiplayer functions.
> > >
> > > Or should i be looking at your living dead K/D? Which frankly, anyone could get a good kd in with knowledge of a camping spot.
> >
> > Guess i was right.
>
> Alls i know is, when looking from the view of wanting good gameplay, why should i trust someone who cant master it? Or atleast get close.
>
> This is nothing personal.

I know this might be a shocker to you, but just because you aren’t rated high in The Arena does not mean you aren’t good at Reach. Not to mention people don’t always play competitively.

I’ll play as well as I can in certain games, but other times I’m just goofing around. The result; my K/D looks worse, and I don’t care.

Simple because the 1-10% of Arena/MLG players that you consider “good or skilled” are just that…the minority.

Now take exactly what you said from their perspective of 90-99% and who do you think game developers target?

Personally I am happy with playlists, customisations and all that so I can play a variety of Halo settings I enjoy. Conversely the 1% seem hell bent on ruining the other 90% gamers fun.

> > > > The Arena doesn’t matter.
> > >
> > > 343 has it as the ranking system, it shows skill and understanding of the multiplayer functions.
> > >
> > > Or should i be looking at your living dead K/D? Which frankly, anyone could get a good kd in with knowledge of a camping spot.
> >
> > Guess i was right.
>
> Alls i know is, when looking from the view of wanting good gameplay, why should i trust someone who cant master it? Or atleast get close.
>
> This is nothing personal.

THEY ARE MAKING THE -Yoink!- GAME! OF COURSE THEY UNDERSTAND IT.
They understand, because they slave over the very creation of it for so much longer than you do when you play.

Does the clay ask the potter, why did you make me like this?

> Please, dont take this as stat flaming. I have no problem if your not so good at reach, its none of my business. But does anyone notice that people who dont like the updates mentioned are rated much better in arena than those that are in favour of the changes?
>
> What im trying to get at is, being good at a game OBVIOUSLY shows you have a better understanding of it. Why should i trust little jimmie on how to make Halo 4, if he can only get 50% bronze? Lets be real here.
>
> Now im also not saying that just because someone is better than you, they cant tell you anyone who doesnt like mac n cheese is stupid, but i just want you to see the correlation.
>
> Its pretty obvious that, if someone understands the game better, they may not understand whats better for it, but they DO know what DOESNT work. Thats the 2 roles, Game developers try to find the good, and good players try to find the bad.
>
> If anything, theres 2 things i want you to take away from this. Do you recognize the correlation? And do you recognize that being good at a game = better understanding of its functions?

Do you understand, that understanding its functions is irrelevant to liking the game, And that when you are outnumbered by about 200k to 2k it doesn’t really matter what you understand.

> > Well Frankie can’t even make Bronze in Arena, so obviously he has no idea how game mechanics work despite his work history and prior game development experience.
>
> Although i have NO proof to back this next statement up, i believe u have 0 evidence to refute.
>
> Frankie is nothing but a figure head, theres a reason they also have the other dude as LEAD MULTIPLAYER DESIGNER. All Frankie probly does is make business deals (not saying hes not in love with halo, its probly his life)

You completely missed the point of my post.

I see what he’s getting at, I think.

What he means is you shouldn’t cater to the casual market all the way, but try to listen to the more “well seasoned” (usually competitive, but not necessarily) a tad more so.

Unfortunately, in today’s day and age, no matter what game it is, companies almost always do whatever they can to cater to the casual far more than the competitive, because when it boils down to it, more casuals play video games. Not everyone picks up a game to master it and play it near obsessively. Not everyone is a die-hard fan. Fact is, there is a far greater opinion out there that is unvoiced, yet it is recognized. Just because there isn’t evidence of this voice anywhere on here doesn’t mean 343i isn’t listening to someone. If you’re posting on these forums, believe it or not, you’re way more likely to fall into the more “well seasoned” side, simply because you know this forum exists.

It isn’t just Little Jimmy 343i is listening to. Its the teen who’s buying it because its the cool thing to do. Its the 30 year old who has a chance to play every now and then when the wife and kids are out. True, it may also be the 5 year old who plays because “Grunts are funny to shoot.” But the casual market covers a much broader audience and contains maybe 1000%+ more people. And if these people have to get to know the game at least somewhat well to have any fun with it, then Halo 4 is going to get dusty on the shelf as soon as Call of Duty Modern World War 7: Purple Ops 9 comes out. Because that is the game casuals are going to be able to pick up and play no matter how long its been since they popped it in last.

And even more unfortunately, this whole category of people is why we get nice things. Its these people who will essentially be funding Halo 5 and 6, and anything in between. Because we as a fan-based community do not provide nearly enough profit to keep this series alive.

Now, this isn’t to say they don’t throw the competitive side a bone. There is Arena. There is MLG. They’re even bringing back the BR. The two sides can effectively coexist peacefully, as they’ve done for all Halo games. But Dino Blasters exists for a reason. They need to appeal to everyone, and No items, Fox only, Final Destination does not do that.

Granted, companies have learned before where to draw the line on these things. Take the transition from Super Smash Bros Melee to Brawl for example. Melee was a HIGHLY technical game, and everyone knew that. It got to a point where if you played anyone who had knowledge of any of the more technical stuff, you instantly became a ragdoll. In Brawl, they slowed down the gameplay, and even added RANDOM TRIPPING, where your character would fall on his face at random intervals completely unpredictably. The producer noted this was hilariously ridiculous after not too long, and decided that was a no-go for the next smash. But this allowed for more players to have more fun with the game at release, and even after it. This is the reason why Brawl is more expensive than Reach at market value. 343i has taken note on the balance given between casual and competitive, and will adjust accordingly.

Thankfully, Halo is such a customizational experience that if you don’t like something, perhaps a particular gametype or setting, you can avoid it altogether. They’ve given that option not for fun, but to help cater to the competitive side.

TL;DR: Give 343i some faith. As mad as anyone, even me, has been at times, they do know what they are doing.

/essay

I play games because I want to have fun. When I want to be competitive I go to a bar.

It’s a correlation, but not a guaranteed or all-encompassing one.

Skill is an applied understanding of a game. There are people that can understand concepts without necessarily having the dexterity, reaction time, or quickness of thought to apply that understanding.

> It’s a correlation, but not a guaranteed or all-encompassing one.
>
> Skill is an applied understanding of a game. There are people that can understand concepts without necessarily having the dexterity, reaction time, or quickness of thought to apply that understanding.

That is one of the smartest things I’ve read in this section lately

Quick reflexes from brain to fingers is what makes good players good 9 times out of 10. Why should finger/brain speed make “little jimmie’s” opinion invalid? What if “little jimmie” was an Einstein in disguise?

This is a silly thread. I like how the votes are biased.

There is obviously a correlation between prowress and understanding. Its the second assertion that fails. It too is a correlation, not a strict equality starement.