Everywhere I go; Twitch stream, YouTube, Xbox and especially the forums, I just see a constant flow of negativity and people almost wishing that Halo 5 will fail for reasons I am yet to understand. I understand that to an extent people are very upset with how Halo 4 turned out, and are most certainly not put at ease with the terrible launch of the MCC. But most people I see are now just adamant that Halo 5 will fail, and do their utmost to ensure that other people think so too.
From someone who hated Halo 4 but stayed because of friends, I feel already that Halo 5 is such a great improvement from Halo 4 beyond measure (and despite what seems like common belief), it does not play nor feel like CoD. I am not denying that some elements are new to Halo and to some extent are inherently going to be similar to CoD, but the game still feels like Halo.
So I am confused at this point, I’m failing to understand why people believe it will fail so hard the same way halo 4 failed. I am not trying to be cynical or anything, nor flame bate, but I honestly want to understand from you guys why you hate the game some much? We have ranking systems (better than ever before), arena styled maps, better balance, less aim assist and the list goes on, not to mention that it’s only in BETA phase. So I’m just a little baffled at this point…
People are being too critical. So much so they can’t possibly allow themselves to just sit back and enjoy the game. And they probably don’t even realize it.
People want to see Halo 5 fail because they don’t think it can succeed without Bungie, even though Bungie started all this sprinting and abilities racket…
People don’t wait it to fail. They are just angry because its not what they wanted and hoped it to be. Halo 5 is a great improvement over 4, but its just not heading in the direction it should be, in my opinion. The game does feel more like a Halo game than 4 did, but its still heavily leaning in the CoD direction, and too much if you ask me. 343 are trying to make this game a popular esports game. Well maybe thy should take a leaf out of CS:GOs book instead of trying to take as much out of CoD as possible while trying to make it feel like Halo.
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> People don’t wait it to fail. They are just angry because its not what they wanted and hoped it to be. Halo 5 is a great improvement over 4, but its just not heading in the direction it should be, in my opinion. The game does feel more like a Halo game than 4 did, but its still heavily leaning in the CoD direction, and too much if you ask me. 343 are trying to make this game a popular esports game. Well maybe thy should take a leaf out of CS:GOs book instead of trying to take as much out of CoD as possible while trying to make it feel like Halo.
How is it leaning more toward cod…I don’t understand the argument
Halo 5 won’t be a commercial failure. It’ll get good press and achieve good sales.
It will fail the core fanbase. It won’t fail because it’s a bad game (it seems like an excellent game.) The franchise itself may not fail Microsoft, but it will fail the core fanbase because of its need to appeal to the everyman/casual gamers through features like sprint, Spartan abilities, and faster, more “traditional” kill times.
It always pays to be a pessimist. If I expect Halo 5 to fail, and it fails miserably, I won’t be disappointed. If it succeeds in being a proper evolution in Halo gameplay, I will be extremely happy.
It’s the Destiny problem all over again. It was hyped so badly it failed to meet anyone’s expectations.
I don’t think anyone wants the Halo franchise to fail, but we have to consider and accept the possibility that it might.
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> Halo 5 won’t be a commercial failure. It’ll get good press and achieve good sales.
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> It will fail the core fanbase. It won’t fail because it’s a bad game (it seems like an excellent game.) The franchise itself may not fail Microsoft, but it will fail the core fanbase because of its need to appeal to the everyman/casual gamers through features like sprint, Spartan abilities, and faster, more “traditional” kill times.
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> It always pays to be a pessimist. If I expect Halo 5 to fail, and it fails miserably, I won’t be disappointed. If it succeeds in being a proper evolution in Halo gameplay, I will be extremely happy.
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> It’s the Destiny problem all over again. It was hyped so badly it failed to meet anyone’s expectations.
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> I don’t think anyone wants the Halo franchise to fail, but we have to consider and accept the possibility that it might.
I agree with most of this, but Halo as a franchise will not fail. Let’s not forget the Halo games that came out before PRE-Xbox One. IF Halo 5 fails, IF… you can’t look at the franchise as failing as a whole. Call of Duty, whether you like it or not is a very popular game that sells a lot of copies. Not all 10 million or more people who buy a COD game are going to like it. Halo is the same way, especially with Halo 4. Halo 4 sold MORE copies than any Halo, therefore MORE people are gonna have something to say about it.
The MCC failed, not because it was a bad game, but because its extremely bugged out. If this happens with Halo 5, it WILL fail. Lets not forget, Xbox One has been littered with over-hyped and/or broken games since it released.
in my opinion i believe people want the game to fail because if the sales blow 343 will be more inclined to change halo back to the way it was
in all honesty 343 doesn’t understand that people want old school halo with modernization done in a halo way.
they insist on having everyone start with sprint, ground pound, thrust, and ads(seriously what was the reason for changing the old scope? it was perfect) when in reality all of these abilities affect the core gameplay halo has in a negative way.
some of you may not understand why and thats alright, but if you ask me if they absolutely had to add the “spartan abilities” aka armor abilities why not have them implemented into the game like power weapons?
we can have them in the game we just dont need to spawn with them.
If they act like power weapons people will treat them like power weapons.
-The Ability lets say sprint, would spawn in some random part of the map
-Both teams fight to use the ability
-Once a teammate picks up the ability he can use it for a limited number of times(or as long as he stays alive)
-once the ability is picked up a countdown starts(or countdown starts once the player who picked up the ability dies)
-ability respawns
-rinse and repeat
look at rockets they’re overpowered as hell because thats what they’re designed for, to give the player an advantage.
People dont complain about rockets because they understand they’re a power weapon and the fact that people cant spawn with them creates a balance.
i believe the same thing would happen if they incorporate “spartan abilities” in this way.
If Halo 5 fails, I think that would just tell Microsoft that fans don’t want arena gameplay given that that was Halo 5’s big selling point since corporations can be pretty dense sometimes.
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> Everywhere I go; Twitch stream, YouTube, Xbox and especially the forums, I just see a constant flow of negativity and people almost wishing that Halo 5 will fail for reasons I am yet to understand. I understand that to an extent people are very upset with how Halo 4 turned out, and are most certainly not put at ease with the terrible launch of the MCC. But most people I see are now just adamant that Halo 5 will fail, and do their utmost to ensure that other people think so too.
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> From someone who hated Halo 4 but stayed because of friends, I feel already that Halo 5 is such a great improvement from Halo 4 beyond measure (and despite what seems like common belief), it does not play nor feel like CoD. I am not denying that some elements are new to Halo and to some extent are inherently going to be similar to CoD, but the game still feels like Halo.
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> So I am confused at this point, I’m failing to understand why people believe it will fail so hard the same way halo 4 failed. I am not trying to be cynical or anything, nor flame bate, but I honestly want to understand from you guys why you hate the game some much? We have ranking systems (better than ever before), arena styled maps, better balance, less aim assist and the list goes on, not to mention that it’s only in BETA phase. So I’m just a little baffled at this point…
You are so right. People are claiming that Halo 5 will fail. The only reason why it will fail is because of people like them.
As far as I’m concerned, Halo 5 has already failed. It’ll probably do well commercially, but that doesn’t mean much when your product is artistically bankrupt.
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> Halo 5 won’t be a commercial failure. It’ll get good press and achieve good sales.
>
> It will fail the core fanbase. It won’t fail because it’s a bad game (it seems like an excellent game.) The franchise itself may not fail Microsoft, but it will fail the core fanbase because of its need to appeal to the everyman/casual gamers through features like sprint, Spartan abilities, and faster, more “traditional” kill times.
>
> It always pays to be a pessimist. If I expect Halo 5 to fail, and it fails miserably, I won’t be disappointed. If it succeeds in being a proper evolution in Halo gameplay, I will be extremely happy.
>
> It’s the Destiny problem all over again. It was hyped so badly it failed to meet anyone’s expectations.
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> I don’t think anyone wants the Halo franchise to fail, but we have to consider and accept the possibility that it might.
Fair enough, but I genuinely have faith that it will succeed. Based on what I have seen and played so far.
I’m with you. I’m very open minded to the changes 343i are adding in. I don’t really see why people have to constantly bash the heck out of the game. So what there are problems? Let the company fix them… Atleast 343i is taking there time to create something new, unlike the creators of COD they just drag and drop the same assets. I feel like I’m gonna be lit with haters, oh well. l0l
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> If Halo 5 fails, I think that would just tell Microsoft that fans don’t want arena gameplay given that that was Halo 5’s big selling point since corporations can be pretty dense sometimes.
This is what I think so many people fail to realize. If Halo 5 fails, that’s going to tell them that arena gameplay with equal starts is not what people want for halo anymore.
You can then expect Halo 6 to once again go the Halo 4 route, and probably take it even further then before with customizable weapons, full blown killstreaks, and whatever else they can come up with.
To all the haters out there, Halo 5 is probably the closest to original trilogy gameplay that you are likely to ever get. If it fails, your dreams of Halo 2/3 style gameplay with revisions die with it, because that’s exactly what Halo 5 gameplay is, Halo 2/3 with revisions.
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> People are being too critical. So much so they can’t possibly allow themselves to just sit back and enjoy the game. And they probably don’t even realize it.
i make assumptions about a game i purchase beforehand and i criticise it afterward, i could list all the things i don’t like and why, but at the end of the day when i play with friends and just talk and zone out i still can’t enjoy the game, this game in no way shape or form feels like it was marketed towards my interests like halo 1-reach were.
as a person who was actively involved with the franchise and its communities for 13 years i just don’t feel bothered anymore, it’s been 3 years where it hasnt held my interest and i don’t have any desire to care anymore.
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> in my opinion i believe people want the game to fail because if the sales blow 343 will be more inclined to change halo back to the way it was
>
> in all honesty 343 doesn’t understand that people want old school halo with modernization done in a halo way.
>
> they insist on having everyone start with sprint, ground pound, thrust, and ads(seriously what was the reason for changing the old scope? it was perfect) when in reality all of these abilities affect the core gameplay halo has in a negative way.
>
> some of you may not understand why and thats alright, but if you ask me if they absolutely had to add the “spartan abilities” aka armor abilities why not have them implemented into the game like power weapons?
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> we can have them in the game we just dont need to spawn with them.
>
> If they act like power weapons people will treat them like power weapons.
>
> -The Ability lets say sprint, would spawn in some random part of the map
> -Both teams fight to use the ability
> -Once a teammate picks up the ability he can use it for a limited number of times(or as long as he stays alive)
> -once the ability is picked up a countdown starts(or countdown starts once the player who picked up the ability dies)
> -ability respawns
> -rinse and repeat
>
> look at rockets they’re overpowered as hell because thats what they’re designed for, to give the player an advantage.
>
> People dont complain about rockets because they understand they’re a power weapon and the fact that people cant spawn with them creates a balance.
>
> i believe the same thing would happen if they incorporate “spartan abilities” in this way.
I’m not sure I agree with you. First what is a core Halo player? If its someone who has played all the Halo start to finish on Legendary and played thousands of hours multiplayer then I think I can call myself a core Halo player. If you talk about core game play as compared to Halo:Ce then 3 and 4 were the nearest thing. Halo2 and Reach were far different. If you started on Halo2 then I find that many peoples expectations are different.
Also I think its just something the community does. Everyone complained till my ears bled about the equipment in H3. I loved it and now I see many post about wishing the armor abilities were pick ups.
Would it not be better to simply ask for a playlist without the abilities enabled so people can play that way if they want? I think many would find they strayed back to what is “normal” play for Halo5.
I was worried when 343 took over for Bungie. I think they did a great job with Halo4. It had a great single player and a solid multiplayer. I like my chances with Halo5 from what I have seen.