Do something about the Assault Rifle and Team Slayer for the love of god!

Games Halo Infinite
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but you shouldn’t want to pick up a commando over it…THIS RIGHT HERE PROVES YOU GUYS DON’T GET IT!

YOU SHOULD WANT TO PICK UP A COMMANDO BUT INSTEAD DROP YOUR PISTOL AND KEEP YOUR AR…
GET IT?

This is the insanity of nostalgia. You are so used to this gun being crap as it’s place in the ranking that you believe you should drop an ASSAULT RIFLE and keep a pistol…and not the other way around.
Get it?

This is what it has done.
Same thing in Gears .
Same thing in Halo.

Fans want to break their own game due to nostalgia and they way they believe the game should be…even if it is illogical and will never attract more people…or make it harder to understand for no reason.

Just drop your pistol man!!!
Our starting weapons should not suck to use and be immediately dropped first chance we get…
It is the primary weapon.
primary

It hasn’t. Shotgun is well if used correctly…meaning dropping that pistol and keeping your AR and using the shotgun in the pistol slot…

The community needs a mind cleansing.

Old illogical mechanics have taken to the mind.

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I’ve been avoiding 4v4 more and more that isn’t ranked because it’s just AR sprayers which is just depressing.

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The root of the issue is that the AR has always been a consistent, low skill weapon, that sacrificed damage for those things. Now it is a consistent, low skill weapon, with a kill time to rival weapons that take much for skill to use, where missing a single shot is detrimental. It dumbs down gameplay when the first person to shoot wins most fights with very little ability to fight back or defend.

In classic Halo games, movement was defense. If you were shot at first, but were able to out-strafe your opponent, you would still win the fight. The AR in Infinite is so easy to use, that that defensive ability is basically removed from the game and has been replaced with equipment, but equipment is limited on map and more often than not you don’t have it, so it just becomes who shot who first. It’s boring.

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It’s rather easy to get reversals as long as you’ve got solid movement and better aim control.
I’ve also had many gunfights where both players ended up needed a reload and had to switch weapons or melee to get the kill. I think it is punishing if you miss too many shots.
Ive never experienced any of the ar sniping others have talked about though.

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And this is why Halo 5 had it correct in giving everyone the same abilities.
Amazing how people rejected that but are ok with some players having grapple hooks and some one having thrusters but not only hard to tell the player has thrusters but there also is no way to know how many thrusts they have used or have left.

The issue is this weak compromise of keeping these powers but lessening them on the field…
It creates imbalance.

That defense that I quoted from you isn’t gone…it has just been adjusted with ACTUAL MOVEMENT MECHANICS…

  1. Sprint
  2. Clamber
  3. Slide
    …worst/last case scenario…jump

The “low skill” to use the weapon or EASE of use in comparison to a BURST rifle is to compensate for these basic increased movement mechanics.

This is illogical and basically meant to compare it to COD like shooters…etc etc
It can’t play out with who shot who first as…

  1. Map Awareness
  2. Map Control
  3. Increased Movement Mechanics to close gaps and increase gaps and make corners.

As soon as you get hit you must decide immediately now…
Fight or Flight…and you can often make it around a corner or just duck and use the sparse cover in the map.
pop shot etc afterwards…

point is…

It certainly is not

You gotta move more…instead of the stiffer or more restrictive to map movement gameplay of starting with the Battle rifle or a much weaker AR that caused everyone to use the PISTOL.

This is an overall IMPROVEMENT and CORRECTION to old broken gameplay mechanics that needed change long ago.

My opinion.

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alright, correction then, smarty pants. no point in picking up the commando, in general. given the fact that you already have the sidekick, which is just as useful as the commando, just with less spread.

and hay, even if i did have the commando in my secondary, keeping both my AR and now the commando. still no point in using the commando over it, even in long ranged combat. no point to switching to the precision weapon when the full auto assault rifle is already accurate enough.

and your right, they shouldn’t suck, but they should be BALLANCED. hear me, ballanced?
in H3 the AR is a reliable tool, i have a reason to swap between it and the BR, dropping the (honestly terrible, which okay, isn’t ballanced either) pistol for the better gun. now there’s a primary assault weapon for close-mid range, and br for mid-long range. the AR in h3 was still a good gun, and it didn’t feel cheep to use, nor annoying to fight against. and hay, didn’t feel like an alternative to the shotgun. also i had to feather it. ay, a trade off to ballance the gun? feathering for the reliable long-mid damage, and to not waste ammo.
or hay, better and more recent example, if h3 is too ‘rose tinted’ glasses for ya. H2:A/4/Reach. THAT AR was more ballanced than this. admittedly the bloom was a little too high, but hay, it inforced feathering. and i didn’t want to drop it immediately, keeping it, just to swap my secondary instead

in infinite, the AR isn’t a close-semi mid. it’s a close-long range with the high accuracy and stupid tight spread. thus again, no point in swapping to my secondary, unless said secondary can cover cross map aim, like the BR or snipers. since feathering with the AR really is only nessesary when the bloom actually kicks in, which is about when 3/4th the mag is gone… by that point i’m either reloading or swapping guns for the kill, or melee-ing, or have already ceased fire, making the spread pointless. recall when you had to tap the trigger to long range the full auto? now just spray and pray for most the mag, and stop for a second, before continuing.

also sure, when used correctly, but same could be said for the AR. in my oppinion, from using the guns, there’s no point to picking up the bulldog over the AR. covers more range, tighter spread, and is a overly powerful gun outside of close range. and even when in the secondary… no point to swapping to the shotgun when the lack of 1 shot makes it pointless. i can shred the shields and melee either way with either gun in the game. better off, oh i don’t know, keeping the pistol over the bulldog. having a mini pocket precision weapon along with a close-long ranged assault rifle. afterall, as you said, starting weapons shouldn’t be instantly dropped, right? be it the AR or sidekick

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We agree on the issue. We just disagree on the solution.

When discussing Halo 5 you have to at least recognize that most of the issues in that sandbox revolve around other issues created by that sandbox. It’s not a super fair comparison, but you are 100% right that equipment implementation in Infinite seems half-baked. Halo 3’s equipment was by no means perfect, but the general tendency toward neutral effects, meaning that they affected both the attacker and defender evenly, is something that 3 did much better than Infinite’s user-only approach, but that is a completely different discussion.

I recognize that defensive play was not 100% removed from the game. It was just decreased.

This is the heart of my argument. This is unnecessary. The overall effectiveness of the AR does not scale correctly to the actual effectiveness of the movement mechanics and the side effects do not justify the means.

There are two primary benefits that Infinite has removed by placing the AR as the standard starting weapon over the Magnum/BR/DMR. First and foremost, it reduces the effectiveness of strafing. Timing a strafe to the pace of the fire-rate created an intricate “dance”. People just hold down the trigger now. You can technically “strafe”, but the effect is gone. Now fights more or less are people spamming ARs at each other. There is no fire-rate to strafe to, and the defensive effectiveness of strafing feels very reduced, resulting in a dulled down encounter. This is what I mean when I say that is just becomes who shot who first.

Secondly, (and I recognize that this seems counter to my other points, but hear me out) the effectiveness at range is reduced. BR starts allows for engagement at most ranges. You aren’t able to cross-map, but if someone with a sniper is scoping you, you can at least disengage the fight by descoping them. The AR can’t really do that. It’s that same issue that Halo has had since Halo: CE. In all regards, the AR is a niche weapon. It is effective in its intended role/range, and outside of that its effectiveness drops off drastically. This creates a rock-paper-scissors like sandbox, where fights are determined by the weapons that you bring to the party, and not how you use them.

The end result of Infinite’s current balance is that fights within the AR’s range feel dull. The AR dominates most fights up to ~mid-range, and then as soon as you get out of that range, it is completely useless. BR starts with the AR as an actually useful pick-up weapon would be ideal. 343i seem to think this as well based on the ranked settings. If the AR is going to remain the starting weapon no matter what, then it needs to be pulled back a little bit to make those close range fights more interesting. Right now they just aren’t at all.

I’m actually fine with the kill time, as long as the kill time is earned. I don’t want the AR to be as useless as it was in Reach. I think that a faster spreading/resetting bloom is ideal. At close range go all out on that trigger, but close mid - mid ranges should have that effectiveness scaled back and the Sidekick should shine a little bit more. I like the Sidekick, but think that the AR overshadows it most of the time and adding more spread to the AR would do that gun a lot of favors as well. I think that the Headshot modifier needs to be removed because it really only feels like it adds a level of RNG to the gun that is not rewarding feeling but also has a major impact on fights. It’s just inconsistent.

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Because they kept catering to “pro” mindset that br should dominate anything just because it’s more accurate. If you’re still dying to ars when you have a br you suck with a br or got outplayed. Threads like this are literally the meme of a guy crying and other guy going brrrrt.

The br should’ve died when the dmr was introduced for trying to still fill a roll it no longer needed. If anything the ar and br should’ve been rolled into a single gun with scooed being burst and unscoped a slower stronger full auto.

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No…neither should have to be dropped instantly or even at all…otherwise what is their point?

You can talk like a smart behind all you want but you just proved my point.
I am speaking LOGIC and REASONING get it?
Why should I instantly drop anything I brought on a battlefield?
Ahahaha haha
That is a real question.
Why even have weapons or why would you bring weapons to instantly drop…only because nostalgia trained the mind to think so.

This is also completely false …if that is the case then why ever switch to the pistol? You switch to the shotgun for the same…to clean up!!!
Or depending on the situation run vice versa…shotgun first to injure and switch to AR to clean up.
I use the combo both ways depending on map position.

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Well this is when I go back to NOSTALGIA and the reality that the game is called…
HALO COMBAT EVOLVED!!!

HOW LONG WERE WE JUST SUPPOSED TO STRAFE BACK AND FOURTH?

This is what I mean by emotion.
You guys refuse to let this game progress…let it evolve!!!

And why shouldn’t it be?
Again, failure to accept and update GAME MECHANICS…
You shouldn’t stay alive just by wiggling your body back and fourth and relying on everyone starting with a burst fire weapon and missing shots to stay alive…or an assault rifle so weak or hindered in some artificial way that that even is STILL the dominate STRAT in the first place…

Get it?
It’s old…
It’s stale
It’s outdated

Let the game evolve…why do that when you can
SPRINT
SLIDE
CLAMBER
???

It’s Place or effectiveness would naturally settle to less due to the IMPROVEMENTS of the overall game mechanics.

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You keep saying that it’s old and outdated, but never give a reason why. Why is outdated? Sprint, slide and clamber only allow you to do those things in a straight line. In that way they actually reduce your options moment to moment.

You also haven’t explained how sprint, slide and clamber improve the game, just that they’re new, and somehow better? Like I said before. They actually limit your options. I’m getting shot at and you want me to slide away or accept death happily? I don’t get it. I just want to say here that I think that they are fine additions to the game. But I just don’t understand how they “evolve” the game when actual gunfights in Infinite feel worse than any other game in the series.

“Wiggling my body back and forth” creates depth in fights. Out-strafing your opponent is a skill gap that Infinite just doesn’t have in any meaningful way. Not with AR starts at least.

BR starts in ranked feel great. I’d play ranked exclusively if they gave me any ability to select my game type. But that’s not an option right now.

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Because maybe that’s the point, ay? i mean, if you shouldn’t instantly drop you guns, for anything on the map. why have any other gun on the map then? why have the BR if not to instantly drop the sidekick? why have a shotgun if not to drop the AR? why have the mangler or sentinal beam if not to drop the starting guns? why have any gun in the staring bases on BTB then, if not to instantly drop your guns?
they should be useful without, sure. but they’re the starting guns, not power weapons. they should be low teir STARTING weapons, good enough for you to then get a better gun. not powerful enough to not have a reason to pick up the other guns

you can switch to anything to ‘clean up’ like the AR, or BR, or any weapon for that matter. with the AR, there’s no point to switching to the secondary, ie sidekick, unless you’re low on mag ammo, or want to finish it. or both

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It is pointless you are so blinded by this that you can’t see how actual human movements being added improve the experience.

AND

I don’t need you too explain straffing bro.
:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: Just sad man.

We want the game to progress.

That means not just updated graphics and new story…
That means gameplay or mechanics to improve our add too the realism or immersion of the experience…,

You know … What gamers value…,

Not just same game with better graphics and more story…

You don’t see how it improves??? and think it limits actual options???
is pure NONSENSE

Purely illogical …your minds will literally lie to protect what it wants.

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The insanity of how nostalgia effects the brain…,…

So, unless the primary weapon is trash to the point so that you always want to drop it…,…
Then…,
No purpose to other weapons???

The insanity

This is what being a fanboy does…
Rots the brain until change doesn’t make sense to them…

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Completely logical response as why not just stay with those then???

Get the logic man???
If the starting weapon is that bad… Why have the weapon racks at all???
Get the ignorance of it?

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dude, i ain’t asking for the weapon to be trash. i just want a accuracy decrease. a range decrease.
ya can keep the damage, and headshot multiplier. but damn dude, ya can really range with this thing, without the need to FEATHER. ain’t that a lost skill in the AR. well correction, there is a need to feather… after 3/4th the mag… so a little too late. but fine, ya can keep the lack of feathering too. if it means a range decrease. that’s all i’m asking

to swap for the secondary? and not the AR? most things, if i recall, that’re on the racks are either precision weapons (stalker rifle, br, and commando) or the hydra, which is an explosive lock on. it may as well be a precision weapon. so maaaybe the AR for the hydra. but again, that’s an explosive weapon, so no duh it’d be the primary. nothing hit scan that would be willing to replace the AR. just the sidekick
so given how most things are worth swapping the sidekick. i’m surprised you’re not asking for a buff to it, ya know, since it’s a starting weapon and all

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Honestly, what are you talking about? What human movements? Sprint, slide and clamber? I already said that I agree with you that they are good additions to Infinite.

As soon as the insults and emojis come out is when I know that you’ve given all that you can to this conversation. No reason to sit here and get yelled at my someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Cya!

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It doesn’t need a range decrease and you do you DO need to feather the trigger at longer ranges.

The after the first 12 shots, the accuracy takes a dive. It’s very subtle but enough to bring the TTK up by a few seconds.

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maybe it does, honestly i’m going off of the reticle here. when it fully expands, my ammo is generally almost out. the full spread comes way too late. but hay, i could be wrong, i could double check later

and i guess we’l have to agree to disagree. either the max spread happens sooner… or a decrease in accuracy/range, if it is to be this tight on the spread. but that’s just me i guess

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I can also tell you that 343 intentionally made the BR’s optimal(4 burst) ttk slower than both optimal times for the Sidekick and the AR.

BR sits at 1.55s; (11 to shields, 1 to the head.)
AR sits at 1.25s; (12 to shields, 3 to the head.)
Sidekick at 1.10s; (6 to shields, 1 to the head.)

I find it hard to believe they would do this by completely by mistake. This way, the BR is less viable in close-mid battles than the AR. While, the BR is more viable in mid-long range battles than both the sidekick and AR.

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