(please read the post before saying stuff like “the Mangler isn’t being nerfed, it’s all melee.”. We know or at least I know. The third sentence below tells you that.)
With the season two update about to rollout, 343 has given us a look at some of the changes to come. Basically all these changes they listed were good, but one stood out to me. The melee nerf is going to result in the Mangler going to a 2 shot-melee instead of the current one shot-one melee.
This concerns me greatly because currently the energy sword has no immediate or reliable counter in close range encounters. I have played quite a few games of fiesta because it is my favorite game type currently in infinite and have had plenty of experience with people grapple-shotting and thrusting around dominating the game with swords. I have found that one of the only semi reliable counters is The Mangler with its one shot one melee kill or as I like to call it the Pop N’ Bop.
With this change it will ensure that anytime you’re not spawning with a sword on a smaller map you’re going to be infuriated and wishing you had either a sword or a rocket launcher to try to stop someone on the enemy team that is just grapple shotting around killing everyone because they can’t be stopped.
Please 343 do not allow The Mangler to be reduced in this way. It will hurt the close quarter sandbox and enjoyment of those encounters.
Streamers and pros told 343 how to deal with the mangler. But noooo, they have to go there own way and make the gun useless again.
Especially in ranked it was a nice alternative to the mighty laser BR but theres no reason to pick it up now. You had the chance to get a kill close range and the very opportunity to get a very rewarding 3 shot kill with it. Why would pick it up now, just to get a much harder kill wuth no chance of an advantage in close combat?
If Fiesta has taught me anything it is how to counter the sword (and hammer).
First, the hammer stands toe-to-toe with the sword. Additionally, any close to mid range weapon paired with the Repulsor is super effective. I managed to achieve a Bull True against a Grappling Sword wielder using a Repulsor and Bulldog.
However, and more to your point, I do think a Mangler nerf will make it that little bit harder to counter with it. But not impossible.
Regardless, weapon balancing is nothing to get up in arms about. It can always be reset. It’s worth it to make the change and collect telemetry to see the effect.
I’m sick of having to state this but Mangler is not being touched in any way, weapon Melee is. I think it’s a great change because I’m kinda sick of melee “quickdraw” fights in CQC.
As for Sword, we need OG Shotgun back to kick its butt or nerf the Lunge range. The Sword has no business having that generous of a Lunge range in the first place.
People apparently don’t know the Bulldog is also a one shot melee. Gonna nerf that too? Sniper is also a one shot melee, but that’s a power weapon, so is that fine? Melee BR headshot works just as nicely, minus the body shot. I frequently melee Sidekick headshot.
The day melee is nerfed to no longer be a two hit kill is the day I drop this heap of a game forever. With how dumpster the desync is, melee is the only reliable way to kill sometimes, and even still, I might find myself having meleed or backsmacked someone 3+ times and still get killed by them.
How about 343 fix these trash servers, then see if the game is still “unbalanced” when everything works as intended, before nerfing everything into the ground, just to cope.
The whole entire gimmick of Mangler is it being a bladed weapon. If you nerf it, you remove the whole point of it being a bladed weapon. It would be faster to just melee normally with a Sidekick than to even pick up the Mangler.
The hammer does not stand toe to toe with the sword. The hammer has a much longer wind-up and clashes with the sword. This means that the first hit will clash and then the sword will kill you before you get a second swing.
The repulser is also inconsistent in how much it pushes players combined with the possibility that they may have a grappleshot or thruster to counter it.
The most reliable counter I have found against sword is rockets, Mangler or combining repulser and hammer.
Yeah. They could’ve just done this for ranked. It was mainly the e-sports guys whining and b-ing about it. I like to think of the crack and smack of the mangler as part of its identity. It’s like making the energy sword a two hit kill
The Mangler needs buffing. Without melee it’s largely a four shot weapon at short range and further out so making it a two shot melee is going to completely obsolete the weapon to be perfectly honest. This is the one change that seems way off base and something that needs further clarification because it just doesn’t seem right.
I think I probably would’ve preferred it becoming a red spawn weapon, where the rack would be disabled until the weapon was used up, but I’m alright with this change as well. I doubt that the way people currently use the thing was intended, and it’s funner to try to get the perfect anyways IMO. Plus, it is still a very powerful shoot and drop weapon.
I don’t think it should change. If the pros don’t like it just take it out of HCS stuff. Make a HCS playlist that is just BRs, pistols, sniper rifle and no motion detector. Then have regular ranked, social and whatnot.
okay, hear me out… it either needs a buff to become the shotgun that the bulldog lacks in. OR they buff the bulldog so that it isn’t in the same one shot to melee teir of the mangler. that way it’l be the classic shotgun beets sword gameplay we all like…
on a side note i don’t like the nerf, they could’ve nerfed it in a better way imo
Here’s what’s crazy about the Bulldog, they don’t even have to make it a 1HK. They could just speed up the fire rate to where it’s 2-tap can beat out a Mangler combo.
