> Wow… first time for everything… I just laughed myself out of my chair because of DesktopBarrel’s comment above…
Lets just say every copy of HR should come with a mandatory Xanax prescription. If you’re a competitive player, it should come with a gun to save you’re self the effort.
> The Jetpack offers no unique gameplay…and just allows random people Flying around…no that is NOT how Halo should be.
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> The Jetpack SUPPORTS Hidden League Gaming (AKA Hiding)
> This was a big problem in reach…as Bungie did not fix the kill boundaries well enough.
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> If you tried lunging at a person who had a jetpack, they would fly upwards…thus making your sword completely useless.
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> This happens in DMR battles as well, where a jetpacker would just Fly OVER you while you struggled to kill him. He would go over your vertical field of view and come up behind you, while continuing to rain bullets from above while you struggeld to turn around and find that flying pesky thing.
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> IN CONCLUSION: the Jetpack is a NUANCE…It has no purpose other to annoy people in Halo and does not belong in halo…as it completely breaks the fact that the better player will win a fight against a lesser skilled player
Not sure if mentioned.
But I think you meant NUISANCE, not NUANCE. On topic, I agree.
Yep, having to aim in the magical direction of up is so difficult that JP is wildly OP. Yawn.
What I’d like to see is some kind of legitimate counter to it. Like EMP using the rest of the jet packer’s fuel.
i agree. jetpack and active camo aa need to go.
> > My reason on why Jetpack should stay
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1oOyVsLMhg
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> > I mean really, its makes you look like a flying grunt
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> Are u kidding me your reason for u to want the jetpack to stay is because it gets you easy kills?? And your taking advice from this guy he’s shooting his AR all the time and he flies straight up for the hell of it. You people make no Yoinking! sense. I am sick and tired of this bull **** if you people can not see its flaws I’m sorry to say but you are simply unintelligent. If you want jetpack to stay you are either just not smart enough to see its flaws, a casual gamer, or just some damn kid that wants to fly around the map for ****s and giggles. You are wrecking Halo and if Halo 4 has the jetpack without it being severely nerfed Halo 4 WILL FAIL end of story. If you want your dumb little jetpack play Halo reach and fricken stay there because you DON’T know what a good game is.
> I know I may have gone a bit overboard but you people will not listen too me when I am being calm.
cleeborp, #1, these forums are anti-insult. Please avoid that. #2, the jet pack exists as a tool to gain elevation and put someone to a place they normally would not have been able to reach. For example, countdown. take out all the gameplay and mechanics you want and ask yourself if jet pack is a smart option to take over any other AA and the answer is yes. Why? It’s a vertical map similar to Boarding Action from CE. Let’s now take Uncaged, a limited movement space map. Is it smart to take anything else besides Jet Pack? When in the right hands (the people who don’t commit suicide is who I’m referring to), yes. Now lets take a map which jet pack might not be the smart choice. A rectangle shaped map called Asylum. Now, if your a team with a setup of car, 2nd ring, sniper spawn, and insert any respawn area here what do you think is going to happen to the jet pack guy when he jumps off spawn? ring 2, and sniper have one half of the area locked down and car/ring 2 with an added bonus of respawn-anywhere-guy all cover the map. Let’s say you don’t have ring 2 or any of them, the jet pack guy is still going to face two or more guns because he has to elevate himself past ring 3 just to shoot at someone and heaven forbid the guy he shoots at has an anti-AA ability like sprint for example (sprinting away to avoid fire). Jet pack is fine when you know how to use it, and even better, when you know how to counter it.
> > Wow… first time for everything… I just laughed myself out of my chair because of DesktopBarrel’s comment above…
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> Lets just say every copy of HR should come with a mandatory Xanax prescription. If you’re a competitive player, it should come with a gun to save you’re self the effort.
Still laughing about that, but Halo: Reach isn’t that bad. I’ve had to play many games in my life already and Halo Reach isn’t that bad. It’s got its ups and downs, but like jet pack haters, the truth of the matter is its not in our control, therefore, I don’t choose to worry about it. Besides, I’ve had my fair share of bad FPS before and Reach is far from hitting those standards…
> > > My reason on why Jetpack should stay
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> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1oOyVsLMhg
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> > > I mean really, its makes you look like a flying grunt
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> > Are u kidding me your reason for u to want the jetpack to stay is because it gets you easy kills?? And your taking advice from this guy he’s shooting his AR all the time and he flies straight up for the hell of it. You people make no Yoinking! sense. I am sick and tired of this bull **** if you people can not see its flaws I’m sorry to say but you are simply unintelligent. If you want jetpack to stay you are either just not smart enough to see its flaws, a casual gamer, or just some damn kid that wants to fly around the map for ****s and giggles. You are wrecking Halo and if Halo 4 has the jetpack without it being severely nerfed Halo 4 WILL FAIL end of story. If you want your dumb little jetpack play Halo reach and fricken stay there because you DON’T know what a good game is.
> > I know I may have gone a bit overboard but you people will not listen too me when I am being calm.
>
> cleeborp, #1, these forums are anti-insult. Please avoid that. #2, the jet pack exists as a tool to gain elevation and put someone to a place they normally would not have been able to reach. For example, countdown. take out all the gameplay and mechanics you want and ask yourself if jet pack is a smart option to take over any other AA and the answer is yes. Why? It’s a vertical map similar to Boarding Action from CE. Let’s now take Uncaged, a limited movement space map. Is it smart to take anything else besides Jet Pack? When in the right hands (the people who don’t commit suicide is who I’m referring to), yes. Now lets take a map which jet pack might not be the smart choice. A rectangle shaped map called Asylum. Now, if your a team with a setup of car, 2nd ring, sniper spawn, and insert any respawn area here what do you think is going to happen to the jet pack guy when he jumps off spawn? ring 2, and sniper have one half of the area locked down and car/ring 2 with an added bonus of respawn-anywhere-guy all cover the map. Let’s say you don’t have ring 2 or any of them, the jet pack guy is still going to face two or more guns because he has to elevate himself past ring 3 just to shoot at someone and heaven forbid the guy he shoots at has an anti-AA ability like sprint for example (sprinting away to avoid fire). Jet pack is fine when you know how to use it, and even better, when you know how to counter it.
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> > > Wow… first time for everything… I just laughed myself out of my chair because of DesktopBarrel’s comment above…
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> > Lets just say every copy of HR should come with a mandatory Xanax prescription. If you’re a competitive player, it should come with a gun to save you’re self the effort.
>
> Still laughing about that, but Halo: Reach isn’t that bad. I’ve had to play many games in my life already and Halo Reach isn’t that bad. It’s got its ups and downs, but like jet pack haters, the truth of the matter is its not in our control, therefore, I don’t choose to worry about it. Besides, I’ve had my fair share of bad FPS before and Reach is far from hitting those standards…
You just don’t get it do you. If we come face to face I have jetpack and you don’t I can hit my jetpack to evade from melee and grenades which are two from the golden triangle, but you also can’t hit me with rockets, sword, shotgun, hammer, concussion rifle, and brute shot so if I have a a precision weapon and u don’t I almost guarantee win and if you do have a precision weapon I get an instant height advantage. How do you people not see the imbalance here? You have to be Yoinking! blind, deaf, and dumb to not see it.
> You just don’t get it do you. If we come face to face I have jetpack and you don’t I can hit my jetpack to evade from melee and grenades which are two from the golden triangle, but you also can’t hit me with rockets, sword, shotgun, hammer, concussion rifle, and brute shot so if I have a a precision weapon and u don’t I almost guarantee win and if you do have a precision weapon I get an instant height advantage. How do you people not see the imbalance here? You have to be Yoinking! blind, deaf, and dumb to not see it.
#1. I will always have a precision weapon. Even off spawn. How? It’s called the pistol and playing smart. hence my 1.41 k/d overall and over 2.0 with the sniper.
#2. Jet pack to the ceiling if you wish, in a 1v1, I’ll bide my time till you make a mistake and I kill you for it.
#3. No map, no AA, no anything is going to give a better advantage over me. No different then I over you. It’s how you play, that’ll determine how far you go with anything and everything you have in your loadout.
> > You just don’t get it do you. If we come face to face I have jetpack and you don’t I can hit my jetpack to evade from melee and grenades which are two from the golden triangle, but you also can’t hit me with rockets, sword, shotgun, hammer, concussion rifle, and brute shot so if I have a a precision weapon and u don’t I almost guarantee win and if you do have a precision weapon I get an instant height advantage. How do you people not see the imbalance here? You have to be Yoinking! blind, deaf, and dumb to not see it.
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> #1. I will always have a precision weapon. Even off spawn. How? It’s called the pistol and playing smart. hence my 1.41 k/d overall and over 2.0 with the sniper.
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> #2. Jet pack to the ceiling if you wish, in a 1v1, I’ll bide my time till you make a mistake and I kill you for it.
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> #3. No map, no AA, no anything is going to give a better advantage over me. No different then I over you. It’s how you play, that’ll determine how far you go with anything and everything you have in your loadout.
#1 All he’s saying is if you don’t have a precision weapon in your hands you will always lose to jetpack which removes a lot of the weapon sandbox against the jetpack.
#2 how are you biding your time, hes got the height advantage therefore a majority of the time he can see your hiding spot.
#3. This is a ridiculous comment. If I know the map better than you I have an advantage over you, If I have a rocket launcher I have an advantage over you. I like AAs but I see them more as a rock paper scissors, rock has an advantage of scissors, therefore my AA may have an advantage over yours in different situations.
You also didn’t address his main point that it destroys the golden triangle.
Asylum, Uncaged, and Sword Base are ruined by it. either map flow is destroyed (Uncaged and Sword Base) or the entire map is destroyed (Asylum).
Powerhouse, Countdown, Boardwalk, Zealot, and Boneyard are unaffected by it (so is Reflection, except for the beginning). it works great for Campaign, Firefight, and Customs.
nerf Jetpack a bit so gameplay isn’t damaged. make some maps better.
or make it as a map pickup/personal ordnance drop
it can work, it’s just got to be done good enough.
> Asylum, Uncaged, and Sword Base are ruined by it. either map flow is destroyed (Uncaged and Sword Base) or the entire map is destroyed (Asylum).
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> Powerhouse, Countdown, Boardwalk, Zealot, and Boneyard are unaffected by it. it works great for Campaign, Firefight, and Customs.
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> nerf Jetpack a bit so gameplay isn’t damaged. make some maps better.
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> or make it as a map pickup/personal ordnance drop
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> it can work, it’s just got to be done good enough.
I feel that it is fine in Asylum where its such an open space.
Sword Base in my opinion is the one of the only maps that is actually well designed for the jetpack as it allows for shortcuts but not in any major fighting areas. Sword base is still a terrible map but not because of jetpack.
Powerhouse and Countdown on the other hand are ruined with jetpack.
> > Asylum, Uncaged, and Sword Base are ruined by it. either map flow is destroyed (Uncaged and Sword Base) or the entire map is destroyed (Asylum).
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> > Powerhouse, Countdown, Boardwalk, Zealot, and Boneyard are unaffected by it. it works great for Campaign, Firefight, and Customs.
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> > nerf Jetpack a bit so gameplay isn’t damaged. make some maps better.
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> > or make it as a map pickup/personal ordnance drop
> >
> > it can work, it’s just got to be done good enough.
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> I feel that it is fine in Asylum where its such an open space.
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> Sword Base in my opinion is the one of the only maps that is actually well designed for the jetpack as it allows for shortcuts but not in any major fighting areas. Sword base is still a terrible map but not because of jetpack.
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> Powerhouse and Countdown on the other hand are ruined with jetpack.
Asylum allows every player with Jetpack to automatically shoot anyone on the map. especially with everyone with DMRs (which Halo 4 will allow you to do much more often).
Sword Base is alright with Jetpack. but if you don’t have Jetpack and someone else does, your forced to either spend 3 minutes running up ramps, or go up 3 death trap lifts. no me gusta.
Countdown allows small benefits; you have to be in the middle of the map when you fly up to the top. there’s 5 lifts, and quick ramps to get up top without it. not much of an advantage, nor any shooting/height advantage.
Powerhouse does allow height advantage; however, map flow is nowhere even neared destroyed, nor is gameplay. you get a height advantage, yes, but the advantage is not that much.
> i agree. jetpack and active camo aa need to go.
Should be in spartan ops and campaign only and custom games - BUT KEEP BOTH OUT OF MM as they do more BAD then GOOD
> #1 All he’s saying is if you don’t have a precision weapon in your hands you will always lose to jetpack which removes a lot of the weapon sandbox against the jetpack.
I account for myself and myself only. That is the beginning and end of my control, therefore, how someone else is going to play is irrelevant to me. If others would like to exercise trying to kill Jet Pack users in those ways, my statement to them is, “Ok, go ahead. Tell me how many times you succeed versus him succeeding.”
> #2 how are you biding your time, hes got the height advantage therefore a majority of the time he can see your hiding spot.
An example of how I bide my time is by playing smart and not being in open areas with little to no cover or at least in an advantage point where I have the upper hand and he, does not. Example, Jet pack users require space, so what happens when I start playing strategic movements with sprint on countdown and position myself outside on balcony while a jet pack user is stuck on the walkway ramp going outside? They must know run the risk of moving forward and getting melee’d or utilize jet pack into a ceiling. That is what I mean by biding my time.
Asylum = ring one, two, and pillars alluding till there’s no question I got the drop on them.
Sword base = Stay in any of the stairway or closed off area.
Name a map and I’ve probably got an example I can utilize properly to beat a jet packer.
> #3. This is a ridiculous comment. If I know the map better than you I have an advantage over you, If I have a rocket launcher I have an advantage over you. I like AAs but I see them more as a rock paper scissors, rock has an advantage of scissors, therefore my AA may have an advantage over yours in different situations.
If you know the map better then I, then you have two benefits versus my 1. Therefore, yes, you should win.
> You also didn’t address his main point that it destroys the golden triangle.
Grenades and melee? Grenade plus specific environment traits = jet pack nullified. Same to melee. An example of such is located above. How do I take care of this on asylum or any other map? you make sure they understand the mistake of going certain places where a grenade can, and will, hit. As for melee, baiting someone is arguably the easiest thing because they want to pursue most of the time.
No sense letting it go to waste. I’m all for a Jetpack Slayer mode. Just keep it out of everything else.
> > #3. This is a ridiculous comment. If I know the map better than you I have an advantage over you, If I have a rocket launcher I have an advantage over you. I like AAs but I see them more as a rock paper scissors, rock has an advantage of scissors, therefore my AA may have an advantage over yours in different situations.
/baffled
So just because he chose a certain loadout he should be granted a win? We are talking about something you get OFF SPAWN, not something you have to earn (e.g: rockets). Can’t you see how flawed is that?
> Anyway, as for the first point, I just used sprint as an example. Somebody with jetpack is just as fast with somebody without, so you don’t even need sprint to get ahead of the jetpacker. My second and third points kinda go hand in hand; a guy with rockets on that map will always beat a sniper, with very few exceptions; they difference between a jetpacker and anybody else means little when both are on the same level. (By ledge, I meant the top level of the map).
Your first point is still flawed. We are talking as if the team in our examples is a full team with (supposedly) smart human beings who use strategy, therefore nobody is going to deny a rocket launcher to someone who has jetpack, since he has the best advantage out of all other AAs, especially in Reflection during the start. Your second and third point are kind of irrelevant, since the real problem with jetpack on Reflection is the opening.
> For Sword Base, it still stands that, in the end, jetpack doesn’t do much to aid in combat. Positioning is important, of course, but all jetpack does is reduce the time it takes to do so, and when it comes to an actual firefight, it will still come down to whoever is more skilled in combat, like it should.
Jetpack doesn’t only reduce the time it takes to move. It also creates new ways to move, which makes it pratically impossible for the opposite team to catch up and cover all these ways.
> I’ve said before, I’m willing to compromise. Restrict jetpack to BTB maps and/or do something to hinder accuracy while flying, for example. I just find it irritating when people decry it so much. I mean, come on, some people think it was worse than armor lock.
I agree with restricting it to BTB maps and hinder the player’s accuracy while flying, but you still have to deal with the insane sight lines you can get (therefore flat out callouts) and the abusing of soft kill zones.
> > > #3. This is a ridiculous comment. If I know the map better than you I have an advantage over you, If I have a rocket launcher I have an advantage over you. I like AAs but I see them more as a rock paper scissors, rock has an advantage of scissors, therefore my AA may have an advantage over yours in different situations.
> >
> > If you know the map better then I, then you have two benefits versus my 1. Therefore, yes, you should win.
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> /baffled
> So just because he chose a certain loadout he should be granted a win? We are talking about something you get OFF SPAWN, not something you have to earn (e.g: rockets). Can’t you see how flawed is that?
See bold. Where in that do you see me saying he should be granted an auto-win based on the selection of an AA? If my opponent is more map knowledgeable and utilizes jet pack in a more effective means then I am able to counter with, there is little anyone can do to challenge that. As for using rockets against jet pack users, you simply need to know what your doing map flow wise and you’ll be fine…
> > > > #3. This is a ridiculous comment. If I know the map better than you I have an advantage over you, If I have a rocket launcher I have an advantage over you. I like AAs but I see them more as a rock paper scissors, rock has an advantage of scissors, therefore my AA may have an advantage over yours in different situations.
> > >
> > > If you know the map better then I, then you have two benefits versus my 1. Therefore, yes, you should win.
> >
> > /baffled
> > So just because he chose a certain loadout he should be granted a win? We are talking about something you get OFF SPAWN, not something you have to earn (e.g: rockets). Can’t you see how flawed is that?
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> See bold. Where in that do you see me saying he should be granted an auto-win based on the selection of an AA? If my opponent is more map knowledgeable and utilizes jet pack in a more effective means then I am able to counter with, there is little anyone can do to challenge that. As for using rockets against jet pack users, you simply need to know what your doing map flow wise and you’ll be fine…
I agree I exaggerated when I said he was granted a win, but still I don’t see why anyone should have such an upper hand just because he chose a different crutch. It’s not like he earned jetpack through map control and fought for it. He just got it handed to him off spawn. That’s not balance.
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Was that Chardonnay or like challice or something. Hey everyone op has some strong whine… need some cheese bro!
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God, your typing is sickening.