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Just do us all a favor and shut up now, yeah?
Kthxbai.
Just stop the BR needs to come back Halo needs a utility halo CE had the pistol 2 & 3 had The BR and reach had the DMR but it wasn’t implemented properly. So bring back the BR.
Agreed.
> Just stop the BR needs to come back Halo needs a utility halo CE had the pistol 2 & 3 had The BR and reach had the DMR but it wasn’t implemented properly. So bring back the BR.
So just because the DMR wasn’t ‘implemented’ properly we ‘need’ to go back to the BR? That’s a really good excuse…
Honestly, I think that they should just make an entirely new weapon. That’s what I want to see. I don’t want to see the BR, or the DMR, or the ridiculous H:CE pistol, but I’d like to see a new weapon that’s intended for nearly every situation. Just because you prefer the BR over everything else doesn’t mean it should be brought back. That’s just the easy way out.
> Simply put single shot is a better option for the main weapon than burst is.
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> Single shot adds a level of consistency and skill that burst cannot. It’s more enjoyable for all levels of players. With single shot you either hit or you miss. It’s incredible obvious and leaves no room for misinterpretation; your shot hit or your shot missed. With a burst weapon it may look like you hit but only 2 out of the 3 bullets actually did or something to that effect. This happens constantly and leads to a feeling of inconsistency; kind of like what bloom does.
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> Do not add a burst fire main weapon to the game 343. I guess you could keep the BR and just make it single shot though.
What? What? What?
Did you say single shot adds a level of consistency? No. Lets take a look at all the single shot rifles that have been added aside from snipers, hmm two of them. Both started out with bloom, which was incredibly INCONSISTENT, and left you missing shots that otherwise should have landed, and were terribly inaccurate regardless of bloom.
Single shot requires pin-point accuracy, which is going to be unfair for the inexperienced players.
Also, it causes imbalances at close to mid range battles. Leaving you missing shots, and generally losing every close-range battle.
BR55 and BR55HB SR actually ADDED consistency with shots, regardless of players experience. It provided a close to mid range weapon, and a solid main weapon. Bullet spread on the BR provided a nice balance for long range fights, and balance in close-range battles, evening out its power against other weapons.
The BR lacked long range though, so perhaps another weapon should be added(IE:Upgraded DMR, Specific long range rifle)
Also, might I mention that the BR fits into Canon. The sudden disappearance of it would surely leave loopholes. Just upgrade the BR, and bring new weapons to balance out the armory. Perfect solution.
> > Simply put single shot is a better option for the main weapon than burst is.
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> > Single shot adds a level of consistency and skill that burst cannot. It’s more enjoyable for all levels of players. With single shot you either hit or you miss. It’s incredible obvious and leaves no room for misinterpretation; your shot hit or your shot missed. With a burst weapon it may look like you hit but only 2 out of the 3 bullets actually did or something to that effect. This happens constantly and leads to a feeling of inconsistency; kind of like what bloom does.
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> > Do not add a burst fire main weapon to the game 343. I guess you could keep the BR and just make it single shot though.
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> What? What? What?
> Did you say single shot adds a level of consistency? No. Lets take a look at all the single shot rifles that have been added aside from snipers, hmm two of them. Both started out with bloom, which was incredibly INCONSISTENT, and left you missing shots that otherwise should have landed, and were terribly inaccurate regardless of bloom.
> Single shot requires pin-point accuracy, which is going to be unfair for the inexperienced players.
> Also, it causes imbalances at close to mid range battles. Leaving you missing shots, and generally losing every close-range battle.
> BR55 and BR55HB SR actually ADDED consistency with shots, regardless of players experience. It provided a close to mid range weapon, and a solid main weapon. Bullet spread on the BR provided a nice balance for long range fights, and balance in close-range battles, evening out its power against other weapons.
> The BR lacked long range though, so perhaps another weapon should be added(IE:Upgraded DMR, Specific long range rifle)
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> Also, might I mention that the BR fits into Canon. The sudden disappearance of it would surely leave loopholes. Just upgrade the BR, and bring new weapons to balance out the armory. Perfect solution.
Pretty much everything you said was wrong and/or irrelevant.
I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll just say one thing; HCE pistol.
If they don’t bring back the BR or a similar weapon, I will probably not be playing halo 4 that much
i just think the game play is better with a burst weapon instead of mini snipers
And the only reason people didn’t like the H3 br was lack of registration. Just because something is more difficult doesn’t make it less consistent. If the registration was fixed and the host was lessened what your complaining about would be insignificant. That’s consistency of the player not the weapon… The burst allowed for the pre-shot and switching from player to player with a single burst; this allowed for some nasty multikills! Also the pause in between shots was a much better solution than the bloom… it actually did show player consistency. Once you include chance into the game play… that is when you lose consistency!
Hands down the burst was a major reason Halo 3 was more exciting than Reach…
Anyone who complains about the BR please post your halo 3 stats… guarantee you weren’t anywhere near a 50. Just cause you sucked with a challenging weapon doesn’t mean remove it to make your life easier.
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I was about to post this. I am tired of people wanting the “Burst Rifle” back. Single Shot is better competitively and it deals better with lag, plus it makes strafing more efficent.
The only thing we need to work out now is to decrease aim-assist for we can have a 3 shot weapon that takes alot of skill to use again.
> Pretty much everything you said was wrong and/or irrelevant.
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> I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll just say one thing; HCE pistol.
Yeah, I don’t think you understand how to debate. Nor do you understand the definition of irrelevant.
If you are going to accuse someone of being wrong, you have to explain your reasoning. Seeing is how you can’t, you’ve failed.
Also, Irrelevant: Not connected with or relevant to something.
I am pretty sure me explaining why you are wrong concerning single shot and burst fire weapons is relevant.
Let me explain further, you bring up the CE pistol, yet your post and my post exclusively concern rifles, single shot, and burst fire. Your argument is irrelevant. But I will explain it away for the sake of debate.
HCE’s pistol was extremely, extremely, EXTREMELY imbalanced and overpowered.
It took 3 shots to kill someone, regardless of range. It provided a scarily powerful close-range, mid-range, and even LONG-RANGE weapon in the right hands. It was consistent, in the fact that it was the most imbalanced-overpowered weapon. It didn’t give inexperienced players a chance.
It beat the assault rifle at all ranges.
It beat the plasma pistol and rifle at all ranges.
Under the right circumstances it would beat a sniper at mid-range.
This is a standard weapon, not a powerweapon, might I add.
Comparing it to the BR is ridiculous.
Comparing the DMR to the BR, is ridiculous.
DMR=Longrange
BR=Short-Mid range, and is beat even in its prime by other weapons.
BR or bust.
> I was about to post this. I am tired of people wanting the “Burst Rifle” back. Single Shot is better competitively and it deals better with lag, plus it makes strafing more efficent.
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> The only thing we need to work out now is to decrease aim-assist for we can have a 3 shot weapon that takes alot of skill to use again.
Did you think before posting this?
The reason everyone hated the br was the registration not the weapon…
i agree, i think they should just make a new main utility weapon to replace the BR/DMR with a single shot but with the ROF of the BR.
also a cap on its range to encourage movement on more open maps.
> > Burst is better when it comes to limiting the range of a weapon. Single shot has extremely long range.
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> Everything bungie has done to limit range has been beyond terrible.
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> It’s the single biggest contributing factor to the decline of the MP in the franchise.
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> Why they didn’t do something like damage drop off at X range or straight up drop off after X range is beyond me.
Spread (like on the BR) is actually a great way to limit the effectiveness at range. Damage drop off on a single shot weapon would change things quite a bit and I don’t know how well that would be received.
Also, I think the new mechanics in Reach have been the biggest contributor to the decline of the MP. Nobody wants a random weapon. But when you have spread it is essentially a damage drop off anyway. I enjoyed H3’s BR quite a bit b/c of how it worked. I liked the fact that if you were too far away you had to strategically move closer. It promoted map movement, which is something a single shot does not do.
> > Pretty much everything you said was wrong and/or irrelevant.
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> > I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll just say one thing; HCE pistol.
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> Yeah, I don’t think you understand how to debate. Nor do you understand the definition of irrelevant.
> If you are going to accuse someone of being wrong, you have to explain your reasoning. Seeing is how you can’t, you’ve failed.
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> Also, Irrelevant: Not connected with or relevant to something.
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> I am pretty sure me explaining why you are wrong concerning single shot and burst fire weapons is relevant.
> Let me explain further, you bring up the CE pistol, yet your post and my post exclusively concern rifles, single shot, and burst fire. Your argument is irrelevant. But I will explain it away for the sake of debate.
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> HCE’s pistol was extremely, extremely, EXTREMELY imbalanced and overpowered.
> It took 3 shots to kill someone, regardless of range. It provided a scarily powerful close-range, mid-range, and even LONG-RANGE weapon in the right hands. It was consistent, in the fact that it was the most imbalanced-overpowered weapon. It didn’t give inexperienced players a chance.
> It beat the assault rifle at all ranges.
> It beat the plasma pistol and rifle at all ranges.
> Under the right circumstances it would beat a sniper at mid-range.
> This is a standard weapon, not a powerweapon, might I add.
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> Comparing it to the BR is ridiculous.
> Comparing the DMR to the BR, is ridiculous.
> DMR=Longrange
> BR=Short-Mid range, and is beat even in its prime by other weapons.
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> BR or bust.
Who gives a damn about inexperienced players. The Pistol had the biggest skill gap of all other Halo weapons. If you were good with the pistol you dominated end of story. Another part of being good a Halo CE was having a good strafe. If you didn’t have a good strafe you would be dominated.
Also Halo CE was very balanced, all weapons had their niche. Plasma weapons drained shields better than any other halo games plus they had the ‘stun’ effect which proved useful. The shotgun was devastating and had the best range of any other shotgun. Even the grenades were better. The plasma grenades took down shields completely even if you had an over shield(unlike Reach’s plamsa grenades that only take down a bit of your shields if you’re kind of far from them.
Anyone that was good at Halo CE can see that it was best in the series in terms of gameplay. Skill gap is all that matters in Arena styled games like Halo.
The population of the 3 round burst BR fans weigh more heavily than the single shot DMR fans so you can definately expect the BR in Halo 4 plus this game is the continuation of Halo 3 so it make no sense if it doesnt return, honestly I cant wait for the BR to make its triumphet return 
Would it be too difficult for the programers to make the br both single shot and 3 round? M16s have it. Like hit up on the d-pad to flip in between. Then nobody can complain if they get outgunned
H4 is a sequel to H3 so there MUST be a BR in H4. The BR is the most wonderfull greatest utility weapon of all time! We already had our -Yoink- DMR in Halo Reach and with no bloom so let us have our turn with the BR for crying out loud. I dont understand how you can dislike the BR unless your just bad with it which is usually the case for anyone not wanting the BR in a Halo game… Stop trying to kill the franchise especially since H4 is the life or death game of the Halo Franchise. Bring back the H2 hitscan BR.