> Somebody’s inevitably going to bring up the argument “but getting a headshot is easier with a burst fired weapon!” and to that I say “it doesn’t matter. Getting someone to no-shields where a headshot is effective is harder. Furthermore the player that aims better is going to win regardless of a single-shot or burst-fire weapon in an un-shielded duel. It only takes one bullet to an un-shielded head to kill and once he’s dead those two bullets (assuming your opponent fired once and missed) aren’t going to leave the barrel because he’s dead.”
I honestly don’t understand the argument about all of your bullets hitting and “skill.” So, what, the BR lovers want their precision weapon to be… not precise? If this argument was valid, then everybody would be using the AR due to “not all of your bullets hitting. It’s harder and more skillfull.”
As much as I would like both DMR and BR55 to be in the game, I would pick the BR55 over the DMR by a big margin. The BR55 is a unique weapon to the games and has its own niche that I felt was missing from Reach, and anything the DMR does I can do with an M6. Their stats are almost the same…
> > > Simply put single shot is a better option for the main weapon than burst is.
> > >
> > > Single shot adds a level of consistency and skill that burst cannot. It’s more enjoyable for all levels of players. With single shot you either hit or you miss. It’s incredible obvious and leaves no room for misinterpretation; your shot hit or your shot missed. With a burst weapon it may look like you hit but only 2 out of the 3 bullets actually did or something to that effect. This happens constantly and leads to a feeling of inconsistency; kind of like what bloom does.
> > >
> > > Do not add a burst fire main weapon to the game 343. I guess you could keep the BR and just make it single shot though.
> >
> > What? What? What?
> > Did you say single shot adds a level of consistency? No. Lets take a look at all the single shot rifles that have been added aside from snipers, hmm two of them. Both started out with bloom, which was incredibly INCONSISTENT, and left you missing shots that otherwise should have landed, and were terribly inaccurate regardless of bloom.
> > Single shot requires pin-point accuracy, which is going to be unfair for the inexperienced players.
> > Also, it causes imbalances at close to mid range battles. Leaving you missing shots, and generally losing every close-range battle.
> > BR55 and BR55HB SR actually ADDED consistency with shots, regardless of players experience. It provided a close to mid range weapon, and a solid main weapon. Bullet spread on the BR provided a nice balance for long range fights, and balance in close-range battles, evening out its power against other weapons.
> > The BR lacked long range though, so perhaps another weapon should be added(IE:Upgraded DMR, Specific long range rifle)
> >
> > Also, might I mention that the BR fits into Canon. The sudden disappearance of it would surely leave loopholes. Just upgrade the BR, and bring new weapons to balance out the armory. Perfect solution.
>
> Pretty much everything you said was wrong and/or irrelevant.
>
> I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll just say one thing; HCE pistol.
And everything you’ve said is completely wrong. He was entirely right. Bring back the BR, it was the most popular weapon for a reason.
I wonder what would happen if 343 Industries made an official poll for the BR vs the DMR… obviously the BR would win.
I disagree, nor is this even possible. Whether you like it or not the BR will be in Halo 4. You can’t just remove a weapon and replace it with an extinct weapon from a prequel. Nice effort though.
wow all these halo 2 kids kinda piss me off… “BR is what halo is” wtf? halo ce the first halo game. not that i hate the BR but yeah…
not to mention burst fire makes team shotting almost mandatory (not as bad as reach) while halo ce u can go alone and rape -Yoink- up. it would be nice to not be stuck on ur teammates like glue in halo 3 or reach. tons of other games have team work without being FORCED to team shot…
with a single shot gun its possible to take out 2 guys fighting you while a BR thats only happening if u get a lucky nade or they suck D
> > > > Simply put single shot is a better option for the main weapon than burst is.
> > > >
> > > > Single shot adds a level of consistency and skill that burst cannot. It’s more enjoyable for all levels of players. With single shot you either hit or you miss. It’s incredible obvious and leaves no room for misinterpretation; your shot hit or your shot missed. With a burst weapon it may look like you hit but only 2 out of the 3 bullets actually did or something to that effect. This happens constantly and leads to a feeling of inconsistency; kind of like what bloom does.
> > > >
> > > > Do not add a burst fire main weapon to the game 343. I guess you could keep the BR and just make it single shot though.
> > >
> > > What? What? What?
> > > Did you say single shot adds a level of consistency? No. Lets take a look at all the single shot rifles that have been added aside from snipers, hmm two of them. Both started out with bloom, which was incredibly INCONSISTENT, and left you missing shots that otherwise should have landed, and were terribly inaccurate regardless of bloom.
> > > Single shot requires pin-point accuracy, which is going to be unfair for the inexperienced players.
> > > Also, it causes imbalances at close to mid range battles. Leaving you missing shots, and generally losing every close-range battle.
> > > BR55 and BR55HB SR actually ADDED consistency with shots, regardless of players experience. It provided a close to mid range weapon, and a solid main weapon. Bullet spread on the BR provided a nice balance for long range fights, and balance in close-range battles, evening out its power against other weapons.
> > > The BR lacked long range though, so perhaps another weapon should be added(IE:Upgraded DMR, Specific long range rifle)
> > >
> > > Also, might I mention that the BR fits into Canon. The sudden disappearance of it would surely leave loopholes. Just upgrade the BR, and bring new weapons to balance out the armory. Perfect solution.
> >
> > Pretty much everything you said was wrong and/or irrelevant.
> >
> > I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll just say one thing; HCE pistol.
>
> And everything you’ve said is completely wrong. He was entirely right. Bring back the BR, it was the most popular weapon for a reason.
>
> I wonder what would happen if 343 Industries made an official poll for the BR vs the DMR… obviously the BR would win.
dmr is singleshot so what the op never said bring back the dmr
Honestly, if they had both weapons, they would both be rated based on their range. A BR could easily beat a DMR user at close range, where a DMR would dominate in ranged combat. It would be sorta at a tradeoff at medium range. It would’nt be the ‘one weapon that does all’ like the BR was in H2 and 3. At least, that is how I see it.
> > Somebody’s inevitably going to bring up the argument “but getting a headshot is easier with a burst fired weapon!” and to that I say “it doesn’t matter. Getting someone to no-shields where a headshot is effective is harder. Furthermore the player that aims better is going to win regardless of a single-shot or burst-fire weapon in an un-shielded duel. It only takes one bullet to an un-shielded head to kill and once he’s dead those two bullets (assuming your opponent fired once and missed) aren’t going to leave the barrel because he’s dead.”
>
> I honestly don’t understand the argument about all of your bullets hitting and “skill.” So, what, the BR lovers want their precision weapon to be… not precise? If this argument was valid, then everybody would be using the AR due to “not all of your bullets hitting. It’s harder and more skillfull.”
Did the fact that the AR has a massive cone of uncontrollable spread just walk out of your mind? Regardless of how you shoot the AR it’s completely possible some bullets will miss its intended target. It’s random. A zero spread BR, a la Halo 2’s, is not random. If you miss it’s entirely your fault, not the game’s as is the case with the AR. The AR would be the most skill intensive weapon in all of Halo if it had zero spread, but it doesn’t. Even so not everyone would be using it; people naturally shy away from things that are harder. If I were faced with with a BR that requires 11 shots to kill and an AR that requires 19 I’ll very well grab the BR, as it maximises my possibility of netting a kill. Why would I purposely put myself at a disadvantage?
The 3 shot burst of the Battle Rifle without hit scan is fine, and can be just as accurate as a single shot weapon in the hands of even a marginally skilled player.
Also, because of the 3 shot burst, the BR allows for more kills in a game because you only need to hit a player who has no shields with one of the 3 bullets in the burst, so the odds of killing said player with the BR are much higher. And who doesn’t like more kills per game?
IMO, the DMR and BR both have a place in Halo 4, but take away the recoil of the BR and MAKE THE BR 4 SHOT!!!
If both the BR and DMR kill times are the same, and the recoil is taken off the BR so neither weapon is dominant at long or medium range, that would allow all players to use the gun of their choice without any advantage, and the player most skilled with their weapon would win the battle. EPIC!!!
Also, why in the world would you make the BR a single shot weapon when there is already a single shot weapon in the game? No variety at all!!!
Plus, why change the BR at all when it was so successful in Halo 2 and Halo 3? Every veteran Halo player loves the 4-shot BR without hitscan!!! MAKE THE BR 4 SHOT!!!
There is no “Main weapon” in Halo 4 lol. The BR is only going to be effective at mid and mid close. Even mid close the AR will most likely be able to beat it if your good enough not to mention the magnum and other weapons that havent been announced yet lol.
@vv 0 b b L e S: Um have you seen the BR’s rate of fire in halo 4? if its 4 shot it will be WAY to overpowered. The BR will not be the main weapon that destroys all close, mid and mid long encounters lol. Get used to the BR getting beat cause 343 confirmed all the weapons counter one another.
> Simply put single shot is a better option for the main weapon than burst is.
>
> Single shot adds a level of consistency and skill that burst cannot. It’s more enjoyable for all levels of players. With single shot you either hit or you miss. It’s incredible obvious and leaves no room for misinterpretation; your shot hit or your shot missed. With a burst weapon it may look like you hit but only 2 out of the 3 bullets actually did or something to that effect. This happens constantly and leads to a feeling of inconsistency; kind of like what bloom does.
>
> Do not add a burst fire main weapon to the game 343. I guess you could keep the BR and just make it single shot though.
LOL! That is assuming Halo 4 will have a default precision everyone uses in game, but to be honest after all the information we have received it looks as if there will not be a “main weapon” in Halo 4. You will have customizable load outs where everyone’s weapons will be different as primary, and secondary.
> Also, why in the world would you make the BR a single shot weapon when there is already a single shot weapon in the game? No variety at all!!!
>
> Plus, why change the BR at all when it was so successful in Halo 2 and Halo 3? Every veteran Halo player loves the 4-shot BR without hitscan!!! MAKE THE BR 4 SHOT!!!
That person who said to make it 1-shot said that 2 months ago before the DMR was announced… Furthermore, you have your facts mistaken:
Halo 2 BR was hitscan. Halo 3 BR was not. Halo 3 BR was the most inconsistent piece of trash at anything more than like 20 feet…
Changing the Battle Rifle to a single-shot weapon instead of a burst fire isn’t going to happen for Halo 4 (or well… ever for that matter).
First off, Halo 4 is way too far in development to change such an important mechanic in a weapon. Second off, what would be the point of keeping it if it did exactly what the DMR does? And lastly, the Battle Rifle is meant for close-mid range. That is it’s function and it does it well. Every weapon has a role that it fills and burst fire allows the Battle Rifle to fill its own particular niche. Not to mention, not everyone is able to use a single shot weapon such as the DMR effectively.
So if you want to use a single shot weapon, then use the DMR.