Hello All,
As I have been made aware, Halo has an ever-expanding universe and a vast amount of lore to comb through. I am looking to see if anyone can proof an outline for a machinima that I am writing and directing for and see how I can change the events to best fit the Halo Universe and its lore. If it is also possible to get someone of military background to see if this is actually what troopers would do in the situations presented in the story, it’d be greatly appreciated.
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Spartan 4 Tom Armstrong suits up - Tom is called to the bridge to be briefed on an upcoming mission by a new AI.
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Mission Briefing
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Former ODST group Team Orbit will drop from the UNSC Miniature Command Ship Poseidon and land on the shores of Escala III. - Once when boots were on the ground, the group will rendezvous with a supply unit to gather materials for the raid that wasn’t available at the Poseidon. - After getting the materials, Team Orbit will move to the rebel base and split into two groups, with 3 moving into the base to retrieve top-secret ONI files. THe 3 Troops assigned to the infiltration are Spartan 4 Lewie, Georgie, and Tom, while the remaining troops will act as a distraction and a second wave just in case the first group failed. - Once when the data is retrieved, Team Orbit will group back up at the river and make their way down to the mouth of the river, where they will clear the landing zone for extraction. - Team Orbit will be extracted in a Pelican and board the Poseidon at a UNSC base 50 clicks away. - AI also explains that they’ll be joining Tom on the mission.
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Actual Mission Events
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Former ODST Group, Team Orbit, drop from the UNSC Poseidon on the beach of Escala III. - Spartan Georgies Pod opens late and is separated from Team Orbit. He then hides in an old, exposed pipeline from the Rebel scouts. - Spartan Lewie is trapped in his pod and killed by the rebel scouts. - The remaining 6 Spartans slowly make it halfway to the rendezvous point and Spartan Jack steps on a land mine but it doesn’t detonate. Once when his foot lifts off, it’ll blow. He is left behind to solve the landmine issue on his own. - The remaining 5 of the 8 Spartans arrive at the rendezvous point and find that the troop who picked them up was the only one left. The group gathers up the materials they will use in the fight and pile into the Koala. - After jumping out of the moving Koala, the 1 of the 3 Spartans assigned to the infiltration, Armstrong, moves into the compound. While the 5 other Spartans fight off Rebel troops. - After encountering the rebel leader in the base, Armstrong makes an attempt at his life and fails. However, the data has been partially retrieved. The remaining data was taken by the rebel groups leader, who escaped in a Wasp. - After getting what he could of the data, Armstrong arrives at the river and finds the other Spartans to make their way to the mouth of the River, but one of the Spartans is sniped down. - To give the other Spartans a chance to get to the landing zone, Spartan Wilson shoots the sniper as he gets shot. - Rebels surround Team Orbit when an emergency transport for extraction arrives to provide support. - Original extraction downed by rebel aircraft and a reserve Sparrow model needed to be used. - Sparrow model has a pilot seat and 3 available spots for evac. However, there are 4 Spartans remaining. - The last supply drop trooper decides to stay and let Armstrong go to get the data to ONI. They stay behind and are killed by the rebels as the remaining members of Team Orbit extract out of the area.
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After Extracting from the rebel area, the remaining Spartans arrive at UNSC WENDIGO Base - When the Sparrow lands, Spartan Commander Harvey intercepts the 3 Spartans and asks to speak personally with Armstrong about the mission. Spartans Mitch and Patty go to unwind and eat. - After debriefing on the operation, Team Orbit will take a short break to clear their heads and fill their gullets before they head back into the fray. - Mitch catches a glimpse of Fireteam White Knight and has an awkward clash of opinions. - After finishing up their meal, they head to the armory and meet the new members of Team Orbit. - Once when All the Spartans have been situated into the group, Team Orbit, Fireteam White Knight, and other ONI backed Spartans load up into Pelicans and move to make one final assault on the rebel outpost. - Over the seas and on their way to the rebel outpost, the UNSC forces are attacked by Rebel Wasps. - One of the 3 Pelicans goes down, while All the rebel wasps go down in flames. - The 2 Pelicans land on the shores of the rebel outpost and push against the Rebel defenders. - After pushing past the gate, they get into the back office and recover important data. - It’s revealed that the rebels have a main base 15 Clicks away with an underground facility. It’s also revealed that the rebels had plans to do something with Master Chief. - After all the gunfire had stopped, Fireteam White Knight calls in - ALL Rebels are either Dead or captured and placed in a prisoner pelican to be taken to a containment facility. - As the UNSC forces load up the stolen equipment, 2 Members of Team Orbit go searching for Georgie while the rest of the squad focus on integrating a rebel. - The Rebel tells Armstrong that the Rebel base is a fortress and it’ll take 3 times the force they had used against the outpost if they want to even get to the entrance of the compound. - It is also revealed that there’s only 1 remaining piece of the stolen data, which is at the Rebel HQ - After getting the intel, the 3 Spartans who went looking for Georgie return, but find only his Magnum, empty. - Team Orbit pack up and leave the outpost while Fireteam White Knight set off explosives, destroying the facility. - “No evidence left behind.” - After Arriving at UNSC Wendigo Base, Team Orbit and Fireteam White Knight are ordered to appear at the UNSC Poseidon for debriefing. - Fireteam White Knight reveal that they had been observing their conduct with this operation and find that they have shown to be “incompetent” in their eyes. - Therefore, Fireteam White Knight will take over the operations. - Armstrong insists that he and 2 other Spartans join them - Armstrong orders the other Spartans to gather as much data about the ONI files and the rebel leaders history. In other words, “do some digging.” - Tom, Morgan, and Buzz all load up in a pelican and move to take on the Rebels and “Finish the fight.” - Olive, Shepard, and Joel all load up in ONI Wasps and follow with other Pelicans behind them - On their way, they are attacked again, but none of the transport vehicles go down thanks to Fire Team White Knight in ONI Wasps - The Rebels are pushed to the brink until a Scorpion comes out of the Rebel base and fires on the UNSC forces. - Fireteam White Knight push through & kills the scorpion. - Pushing through the rebel HQ, Fireteam White Knight, and 3 of Team Orbit find the vehicle bay and Olive starts planting explosives everywhere. - “I’m a simple man, who likes to blow -Yoink- up on occasion.” - Buzz stays behind to make sure that Rebel backup doesn’t get to the other 4 Spartans. - Joel, Tom, Morgan, and Shepard all move to the lower floor, take out the rebels there, and find the Armory. - … TBC
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Since I have a character limit, I will have to continue the outline in a reply
There will also be a link to an editable Google Doc with more details about the characters and other information
This is the Continuation of the Outline from the initial Post
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After loading up with as much ammo as possible, they make their way further into the Rebel HQ to find an elevator - Where it leads, they don’t know. Except for Joel. - Joel tells them that there is an underwater facility that ONI used to use as a secret archive, but lost contact during the Human-Covenant War. - As soon as he finishes, they are found by a Rebel piloted shipment Mantis and corners the 4 Spartans. - He was hiding in the shipment Mantis and watched as the rebels were killed from the inside. - Filled with rage, he uses the mantis to attack the spartans and looks to kill them all brutally. - They hold off the Mantis but are forced into the elevator and go down to the bottom. - The elevator door opens and the mantis shoots at the cord and sends the elevator to the bottom almost killing the 4 Spartans. - They get out to find a cave-like area with scared civilians and torches lighting the inside. - Morgan also notices a huge Master Chief Statue with Arbiter at his side as a Halo surrounds them. Below them is a plack with only 3 numbers. “117” - The Colonists greet them and tell their story as they were originally from Reach, but were evacuated during the Human Covenant War. They were separated from UNSC escorts and crashed on Escala III.
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After the Human-Covenant War ended, the UNSC came back and found them to be settled. - UNSC wanted to take them back to inner colonies but they didn’t want to go. - The Rebels are fighting to stay on Escala III and make it their home. - The rebels also wanted the UNSC to ally with the Sangheili more as they had helped defeat the Covenant. - Rebels found the ONI Facility and the plans to assassination plans of Arbiter and the smear campaign of the Master Chief - This infuriated the Rebels and they vowed to hinder the UNSC operations however they could. - Younger Rebel soldier runs off to the “Transition Tunnel” and goes off to the ONI archives - Spartan Shepard stays behind to get the civilians to safety while Morgan, Tom, and Joel chase after the rebel youth. - They wait for the chamber to drain out and it’s revealed that Morgan is afraid of the ocean floor. - Tom reassures him and Morgan is able to go out into the ocean to get the rebel boy. - As they move into the ONI Archives, they find that there are civilians inside and they’ll have to be smart about how to take out the troops inside. - Morgan suggests the “Devilman Protocol” - Tom agrees and is ready to activate “Devilman Protocol”
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The Devilman Protocol is an experimental procedure where they use a specific song or noise that triggers a reaction that would make the user an unstoppable killing machine. - Tom viciously takes out the rebels without hurting civilians and makes sure they are all okay after the music stops. - Morgan offers to suit up civilians and escort them out to group up with Shepard. - Tom agrees and joins Joel to take out the Rebel Leader. - Rebel Leader is on the second floor and is protecting the last piece of data that needs to be recovered. - Rebel Leader dies and Tom decrypts the data to find the truth.
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“Operation Cloak and Dagger” - Discredit the Master Chief and his mental health. - Kill Spartan John-117 in defense of civilians - Rebel Leader attempts to coax Tom and Joel to do the “right thing” and escape with the wasps in the back of the building - Tom and Joel refuse as they still have to get the civilians out. - Rebel Leader dies… But… - A timer of 5 minutes starts and the two realize that it is rigged to blow the whole island sky high. - Joel can’t defuse the bomb, but he does plug a bug connected with ONI to the archives to send as much data as it can while they get out of the building. - They make it back to the civilians and find a tunnel to someplace new. - Turns out it leads to a transport ramp if the elevator fails with Transport Warthogs ready to go. - After filling up all 4 Transport hogs, Tom, Joel, Morgan, and Shepard drive to the top. - Tom Radios to the other Spartans and marines that they need to evac ASAP. - All Transport hogs get out of the Rebel base and load up the pelicans as quickly as possible. - They all narrowly escape by the skin of their teeth and watch the island get obliterated - All UNSC Pelicans and Wasps arrive at UNSC Wendigo base and send the civilians to Andesia while the rebel troops are imprisoned and are waiting to be transferred to a more capable holding facility. - AI suggests before giving the data back to ONI that it should be corrupted to be rendered unusable. - Tom agrees and greenlights AI to start corrupting data - As the data is being dealt with, Morgan tells Tom that they need to tell the families of Team Orbits fallen the bad news. - Tom agrees and thanks Morgan for his council and friendship. - The data has been corrupted and Tom turns over the data to an ONI official. - After turning over the data, Team Orbit regroup and encounter Fireteam White Knight. - Tom Offers to take them in as they have 3 open spots with their name on it and Morgan points out that they all work together pretty well. - Joel Agrees, but he says that they’re not gonna be named “Team Orbit” - They go for the name… Fireteam Argonaut - After they decide on the name, Tom, Patty, and Morgan get ready to go to the homes of the fallen Spartans. - As the credits roll, Tom and the other Spartans tell the families that the four Spartans are confirmed KIA. - Tom delivers a hopeful monologue over the credits and promises to Georgie’s mother to find her MIA son. - It all ends with a title card and a “The End…?”
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Here is the link to the Google doc mentioned before - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D291jGHgbFtfdHt0MkUeb0zVgL_quTM74wnWjrdm1Ow/edit?usp=sharing
Just a quick note, hopefully not spoiler territory. I like the thought of land mines, in that the only time mines have made an appearance that I can think of is the deployable equipment in Halo 3. Mines are also seen in Halo Wars, but overall mine technology seems rather absent from the Halo universe.
I’m an Army vet, but non-combat. 12B, Combat Engineer. Feel free to throw any questions at me.
Cheers,
Brad
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> Just a quick note, hopefully not spoiler territory. I like the thought of land mines, in that the only time mines have made an appearance that I can think of is the deployable equipment in Halo 3. Mines are also seen in Halo Wars, but overall mine technology seems rather absent from the Halo universe.
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> I’m an Army vet, but non-combat. 12B, Combat Engineer. Feel free to throw any questions at me.
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> Cheers,
> Brad
Hi Brad,
I have noticed that the UNSC and Covenant don’t really use Landmines all too often during the Human-Covenant War. I believe that they’d be redundant for the UNSC as the covenant would normally use hovering technology in vehicles and various other technologies. With this in mind, I thought of having the rebels using landmines against the UNSC as they are known to have the literal “boots on the ground” approach. That was my thinking anyway.
If anything, Landmines would more likely be used during the Incursion with Human V. Human and the similar technologies being used on both sides. It’s my speculation though.
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> > Just a quick note, hopefully not spoiler territory. I like the thought of land mines, in that the only time mines have made an appearance that I can think of is the deployable equipment in Halo 3. Mines are also seen in Halo Wars, but overall mine technology seems rather absent from the Halo universe.
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> > I’m an Army vet, but non-combat. 12B, Combat Engineer. Feel free to throw any questions at me.
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> > Cheers,
> > Brad
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> Hi Brad,
> I have noticed that the UNSC and Covenant don’t really use Landmines all too often during the Human-Covenant War. I believe that they’d be redundant for the UNSC as the covenant would normally use hovering technology in vehicles and various other technologies. With this in mind, I thought of having the rebels using landmines against the UNSC as they are known to have the literal “boots on the ground” approach. That was my thinking anyway.
> If anything, Landmines would more likely be used during the Incursion with Human V. Human and the similar technologies being used on both sides. It’s my speculation though.
Yeah. Gosh, like chemical warfare, landmines seem to be a really touchy subject, I think overall they are aspects of warfare that most consider unethical.
I do like your reasoning in regards to the Insurrectionists side of the Haloverse. If Insurrectionists were using mines, the UNSC could easily be using that from a propaganda standpoint.
Army combat veteran, former paratrooper
I like the story so far!
50 clicks (kilometers) is a long way for people in equipment and combat load to move especially after contact with the enemy and with a threat of enemy reinforcements. The Spartans could handle it but the ODSTs might not. 20 plus miles is hard and worse depending on terrain to walk/run. I think they would want to plan a closer exfil location.
If incompetent leadership is being brought forward, the commander would temporarily relieve the subordinate of command until the commander has determined what’s what. The other members of the team would be on standby for questioning or temporarily reassigned to other sections or the next senior in command would temporarily take command (most likely).
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> I like the story so far!
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> 50 clicks (kilometers) is a long way for people in equipment and combat load to move especially after contact with the enemy and with a threat of enemy reinforcements. The Spartans could handle it but the ODSTs might not. 20 plus miles is hard and worse depending on terrain to walk/run. I think they would want to plan a closer exfil location.
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> If incompetent leadership is being brought forward, the commander would temporarily relieve the subordinate of command until the commander has determined what’s what. The other members of the team would be on standby for questioning or temporarily reassigned to other sections or the next senior in command would temporarily take command (most likely).
Those are good points The Squigz, I will be making revisions to the outline on the document and on here in time.
I will have to point out that that it’s a team of Former ODSTs turned Spartan 4s, which I had forgotten to add and I will take the blame on that 
Sorry for the confusion
I am debating on adding a rendezvous point in between the Extraction point and UNSC Wendigo Base or cutting the distance in half. Or even having Rebels chase them to the base. So many possibilities with this plot point! what do you recommend?
As for incompetent leadership, I will add a point that Tom Armstrong would lose his influence on the next operation. With the other team members, I want to keep them all together as their interactions are integral to the story and character development. Would it work if instead of having Morgan and Patty go off and do their own thing, they would be questioned, and after Armstrong would get a slap on the wrist, they’d be transferred to a different commander? I want to make sure that this is as accurate as possible.
(BTW, Since you are a Vet, I wanna thank you for your service ^_^)
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> > > Just a quick note, hopefully not spoiler territory. I like the thought of land mines, in that the only time mines have made an appearance that I can think of is the deployable equipment in Halo 3. Mines are also seen in Halo Wars, but overall mine technology seems rather absent from the Halo universe.
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> > > I’m an Army vet, but non-combat. 12B, Combat Engineer. Feel free to throw any questions at me.
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> > > Cheers,
> > > Brad
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> > Hi Brad,
> > I have noticed that the UNSC and Covenant don’t really use Landmines all too often during the Human-Covenant War. I believe that they’d be redundant for the UNSC as the covenant would normally use hovering technology in vehicles and various other technologies. With this in mind, I thought of having the rebels using landmines against the UNSC as they are known to have the literal “boots on the ground” approach. That was my thinking anyway.
> > If anything, Landmines would more likely be used during the Incursion with Human V. Human and the similar technologies being used on both sides. It’s my speculation though.
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> Yeah. Gosh, like chemical warfare, landmines seem to be a really touchy subject, I think overall they are aspects of warfare that most consider unethical.
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> I do like your reasoning in regards to the Insurrectionists side of the Haloverse. If Insurrectionists were using mines, the UNSC could easily be using that from a propaganda standpoint.
Oh Geez, I didn’t realize that they were considered unethical. Should I take that out to not trigger any viewers who had experiences with landmines? Or should I keep it in to have that sense of realism?
The daily struggle of a writer ugh.
(I forgot to say this before, and even though you haven’t served in combat, I still want to thank you for your service ^_^)
JulesPhantom2,
Revise distance as you see fit. Now that I know they are Spartans it seems more plausible.
Maybe make the incompetent accusation more private between the leadership. Obviously White Knight’s CO would bring it up before leadership but not air the dirty laundry in front of all the subordinates because it would undermine the command structure. Like have Armstrong accused by WK’s CO in a command after action review. But the Commander splits the baby in the situation by placing WK CO in operational command saying Orbit has been hit really hard lately and they might need to let someone else take the lead. You can still have the team together and the personal animus and rivalry between the teams.
I think the use of land mines work well for the story. Mines considered “victim operated” ie: bouncing bettys are now considered unethical in today’s law of war. But that hasn’t stopped people from continuing to use them. NATO are aloud to use command operated mines like claymores which have a remote detonator that most be triggered by a spotter. They are considered unethical because they don’t discriminate between who they kill. The victim operated mine doesn’t care if it’s triggered by a civilian or a combatant. If you look at today’s insurgencies, their use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) across the spectrum to victim operated pressure plates and trip wires to suicide vests and vehicles. In Afghanistan, the Taliban even reused old Soviet mines and bought surplus Italian anti-tank mines. And given that Rebels don’t have all the resources of the UNSC, they would use anything to fight the UNSC.
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> > > > Just a quick note, hopefully not spoiler territory. I like the thought of land mines, in that the only time mines have made an appearance that I can think of is the deployable equipment in Halo 3. Mines are also seen in Halo Wars, but overall mine technology seems rather absent from the Halo universe.
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> > > > I’m an Army vet, but non-combat. 12B, Combat Engineer. Feel free to throw any questions at me.
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> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Brad
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> > > Hi Brad,
> > > I have noticed that the UNSC and Covenant don’t really use Landmines all too often during the Human-Covenant War. I believe that they’d be redundant for the UNSC as the covenant would normally use hovering technology in vehicles and various other technologies. With this in mind, I thought of having the rebels using landmines against the UNSC as they are known to have the literal “boots on the ground” approach. That was my thinking anyway.
> > > If anything, Landmines would more likely be used during the Incursion with Human V. Human and the similar technologies being used on both sides. It’s my speculation though.
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> > Yeah. Gosh, like chemical warfare, landmines seem to be a really touchy subject, I think overall they are aspects of warfare that most consider unethical.
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> > I do like your reasoning in regards to the Insurrectionists side of the Haloverse. If Insurrectionists were using mines, the UNSC could easily be using that from a propaganda standpoint.
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> Oh Geez, I didn’t realize that they were considered unethical. Should I take that out to not trigger any viewers who had experiences with landmines? Or should I keep it in to have that sense of realism?
> The daily struggle of a writer ugh.
> (I forgot to say this before, and even though you haven’t served in combat, I still want to thank you for your service ^_^)
Hmmm, unethical behavior is a part of warfare unfortunately, albeit rare to the norm. They still deal with lost mines in Vietnam and other parts of the war. As a species, we definitely have a distaste for weapons of an indiscriminate nature, one that doesn’t differentiate between combatant and civilian. Their use in turn, can escalate things out of response.
Halo doesn’t shy away from debates in the fiction, nor should you. That said, I think the mines in Halo 3 still worked on hover technology, at least wraiths.
Ooh there’s a little custom game experiment for tonight.
Cheers,
Brad
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> Maybe make the incompetent accusation more private between the leadership. Obviously White Knight’s CO would bring it up before leadership but not air the dirty laundry in front of all the subordinates because it would undermine the command structure. Like have Armstrong accused by WK’s CO in a command after action review. But the Commander splits the baby in the situation by placing WK CO in operational command saying Orbit has been hit really hard lately and they might need to let someone else take the lead. You can still have the team together and the personal animus and rivalry between the teams.
Neat! I didn’t realize that the military had this type of system for command and it’d be this complicated. XP
Just so I understand what you’re saying, it would work like this…
- In Private, Team Orbit Commanding Officer would talk to Armstrong about the mission and bring in Fire Team White Knights Commanding Officer with Joel, FTWK Leader, observing the discussion. WK CO tells him that FTWK would take over the data recovery operations and Armstrong is taken aback by this. WK CO accuses Armstrong of incompetence but wants to give him and his remaining team a chance. WK CO tells Armstrong that TO will be under their command and working with FTWK in the next operation. During the mission, FTWK will evaluate their performance and report on whether or not there should be any action against Armstrong. After Dismissing Armstrong to prepare for the next mission, Joel would confront him and let him know he won’t hold back on him.I hope I understood what you’re saying right and this would be something COs would do. If I am wrong, please correct me on this.
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> > Maybe make the incompetent accusation more private between the leadership. Obviously White Knight’s CO would bring it up before leadership but not air the dirty laundry in front of all the subordinates because it would undermine the command structure. Like have Armstrong accused by WK’s CO in a command after action review. But the Commander splits the baby in the situation by placing WK CO in operational command saying Orbit has been hit really hard lately and they might need to let someone else take the lead. You can still have the team together and the personal animus and rivalry between the teams.
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> Neat! I didn’t realize that the military had this type of system for command and it’d be this complicated. XP
> Just so I understand what you’re saying, it would work like this…
> - In Private, Team Orbit Commanding Officer would talk to Armstrong about the mission and bring in Fire Team White Knights Commanding Officer with Joel, FTWK Leader, observing the discussion. WK CO tells him that FTWK would take over the data recovery operations and Armstrong is taken aback by this. WK CO accuses Armstrong of incompetence but wants to give him and his remaining team a chance. WK CO tells Armstrong that TO will be under their command and working with FTWK in the next operation. During the mission, FTWK will evaluate their performance and report on whether or not there should be any action against Armstrong. After Dismissing Armstrong to prepare for the next mission, Joel would confront him and let him know he won’t hold back on him.I hope I understood what you’re saying right and this would be something COs would do. If I am wrong, please correct me on this.
I’m not in the Army anymore, but stumbled into a career on traditional wooden ships (hence my username), which maintains a loose naval hierarchy. And yeah, differences between officers, crew and captains are expected to be handled privately.
You have to have done something (outside of basic) to get chewed out publicly, and boy do I recall one episode of that. Not me, I felt so bad for that private.
Even in tactical discussion, officers meet privately, your basic grunt isn’t aware of differing opinions and he shouldn’t , it creates too much second guessing that can destroy teamwork in a heartbeat.
Cheers,
Brad
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> > > > > Just a quick note, hopefully not spoiler territory. I like the thought of land mines, in that the only time mines have made an appearance that I can think of is the deployable equipment in Halo 3. Mines are also seen in Halo Wars, but overall mine technology seems rather absent from the Halo universe.
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> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Brad
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> > > > Hi Brad,
> > > > I have noticed that the UNSC and Covenant don’t really use Landmines all too often during the Human-Covenant War. I believe that they’d be redundant for the UNSC as the covenant would normally use hovering technology in vehicles and various other technologies. With this in mind, I thought of having the rebels using landmines against the UNSC as they are known to have the literal “boots on the ground” approach. That was my thinking anyway.
> > > > If anything, Landmines would more likely be used during the Incursion with Human V. Human and the similar technologies being used on both sides. It’s my speculation though.
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> Hmmm, unethical behavior is a part of warfare unfortunately, albeit rare to the norm. They still deal with lost mines in Vietnam and other parts of the war. As a species, we definitely have a distaste for weapons of an indiscriminate nature, one that doesn’t differentiate between combatant and civilian. Their use in turn, can escalate things out of response.
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> Halo doesn’t shy away from debates in the fiction, nor should you. That said, I think the mines in Halo 3 still worked on hover technology, at least wraiths.
> Ooh there’s a little custom game experiment for tonight.
>
> Cheers,
> Brad
Thanks Brad,
I will definitely keep the landmines in. It could be a topic of discussion to bring awareness about landmines and hopefully prevent the use of them. That’s my hope anyway. Thanks again for your help on this subject and I hope this is as accurate as it can be. 
JulesPhantom2,
Whoever the overall commander of FT Orbit and FT White Knight would make the call. If Armstrong and WK CO are of similar responsibility level or rank (Spartan 4s don’t hold official rank) one wouldn’t be evaluating the other during a real world mission. That’s not to say White Knight’s commander wouldn’t notice things during a mission and bring his concerns to the attention of his commander. The operation commander would monitor the situation (battle tracking back at the command center) on if further action is need regarding leadership ability. Think of it more like a coach determining who the team captain is going to be between to star players. You wouldn’t have the rival evaluate his competition. The coach would observe and evaluate. And by allowing Armstrong to remain in command of his team but subordinating him to White Knight, it’s a move to save face and give them a second chance if leadership was possibly lacking or if it was a spat of bad luck. It would still hurt Armstrong’s ego, but he would still be able to prove himself with the team while under the thumb of someone who doesn’t like him.
Like FTWK CO says that Armstrong’s command led to excessive casualties that were avoidable and his lack of mission plan execution, complacency with training, or bad decision making would lead him to believe Armstrong was incompetent. Op Commander calls his team leaders for a private meeting where FTWK CO brings forth their accusation. Op Commander realizes the FT Orbit is no longer full strength and the upcoming assault is going to need every Spartan. Op Commander decides the full strength FT White Knight to take command. The Op Commander wouldn’t necessarily overtly put Armstrong on notice, but giving command to FT White Knight does speak a lot and that he needs have the assault succeed and FT Orbit perform well as a team. Think of the movie Top Gun and the rivalry between Iceman and Maverick.
Again, I like your story.
On the earlier landmine comment; the UNSC deploys several forms of landmine, ranging from the LOTUS anti-tank mine that can be used as an impromptu demolition/asset denial device and were quite capable of obliterating the relatively fragile gravity boost systems of Ghosts or Wraiths that passed over them to the anti-personel ASTEROIDA that Kurt-051 used to save Blue Team from Innies on Victoria, to the deployable one in Halo 3 and others. Claymores are also utilized, in a near identical form to their modern day equivalent, and are quite effective against infantry, especially unshielded ones like Unggoy and Kig-Yar.
The Innies were also fans of using IEDs quite extensively and Spartans were known to create their own.
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> On the earlier landmine comment; the UNSC deploys several forms of landmine, ranging from the LOTUS anti-tank mine that can be used as an impromptu demolition/asset denial device and were quite capable of obliterating the relatively fragile gravity boost systems of Ghosts or Wraiths that passed over them to the anti-personel ASTEROIDA that Kurt-051 used to save Blue Team from Innies on Victoria, to the deployable one in Halo 3 and others. Claymores are also utilized, in a near identical form to their modern day equivalent, and are quite effective against infantry, especially unshielded ones like Unggoy and Kig-Yar.
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> The Innies were also fans of using IEDs quite extensively and Spartans were known to create their own.
Thanks, I knew my concept or debate was based on gameplay, my fiction being both rusty and sparse enough that I was hesitant at first to point it out.
I stand corrected.
Cheers,
Brad
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> > On the earlier landmine comment; the UNSC deploys several forms of landmine, ranging from the LOTUS anti-tank mine that can be used as an impromptu demolition/asset denial device and were quite capable of obliterating the relatively fragile gravity boost systems of Ghosts or Wraiths that passed over them to the anti-personel ASTEROIDA that Kurt-051 used to save Blue Team from Innies on Victoria, to the deployable one in Halo 3 and others. Claymores are also utilized, in a near identical form to their modern day equivalent, and are quite effective against infantry, especially unshielded ones like Unggoy and Kig-Yar.
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> > The Innies were also fans of using IEDs quite extensively and Spartans were known to create their own.
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> Thanks, I knew my concept or debate was based on gameplay, my fiction being both rusty and sparse enough that I was hesitant at first to point it out.
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> I stand corrected.
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> Cheers,
> Brad
No worries man, its what we lore fans are here for. You got any other questions, go ahead and ask em.
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> > > On the earlier landmine comment; the UNSC deploys several forms of landmine, ranging from the LOTUS anti-tank mine that can be used as an impromptu demolition/asset denial device and were quite capable of obliterating the relatively fragile gravity boost systems of Ghosts or Wraiths that passed over them to the anti-personel ASTEROIDA that Kurt-051 used to save Blue Team from Innies on Victoria, to the deployable one in Halo 3 and others. Claymores are also utilized, in a near identical form to their modern day equivalent, and are quite effective against infantry, especially unshielded ones like Unggoy and Kig-Yar.
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> > > The Innies were also fans of using IEDs quite extensively and Spartans were known to create their own.
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> > Thanks, I knew my concept or debate was based on gameplay, my fiction being both rusty and sparse enough that I was hesitant at first to point it out.
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> > I stand corrected.
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> > Cheers,
> > Brad
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> No worries man, its what we lore fans are here for. You got any other questions, go ahead and ask em.
Thanks for clarifying on the lore of landmines mate! It’s refreshing to see the good side of the Halo Community and I hope to see more of it as this project moves forward. Let me know if you see anything in the outline that could be changed so that it’s as accurate to the military as possible.
Hey Guys, another quick question. Would they do a Roll Call before a team departs for a mission? I’m looking for a way to introduce the team in a way that seems natural and I think this would be a good way to start but I want to get your input first.
IMO, I think that you’ve downplayed the abilities of the Spartan-IVs. Other than that I think that it seems like a pretty good story. My only nitpicks would be that there wouldn’t really be any point in using drop pods to get to the surface if you are going to meet troops there who arrived normally, drop pods we’re usually used for covert insertion or as a shock assault tactic hence the S in ODST standing for shock. Also you might want to rethink the bit about there not being enough seats for evac, in a life or death situation I imagine it would be fairly easy for an extra member to board.
Other than that, it sounds great, I particularly like the element about White Knight being there to evaluate them.