> With scope kickout, and a very slighty lower ROF, it would be just fine.
this!
scope-kickout when scoped and shot at
just like all halos
that will balance it out
stoping everyone from overusing it
bloom will help alot to just like reach
> <mark>The team with the most DMRs always wins</mark>. DMR vs any other weapon is just too powerful.
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> I’m sick of dying so much by DMR also because I refuse to use it, ALL WE NEED IS BR and friends.
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> 343 Should have left the DMR in reach.
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> Who even thinks of using the carbine when everyone has DMRs?
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> Bleeping bleepity honk blank zoink -Yoink!- DMRs!
Could you put any more hyperbull into one sentence? I run mainly the BR and none of my friends that i run with use it. We win most of our games. In big team i rock the LR and trash the DMR. Get better.
People need to seriously shut up with the whole “get better” bs. Everyone here is entitled to their own opinion so stop going on an ego trip over the internet (that must make you feel SOO cool) and don’t assume nobody is as good as you.
DMR is OP because of:
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Bloom does nothing, allowing people to spam with the aid of aim-assist to get almost 100% head shots due to its insane accuracy.
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No-de scoping, that would change a lot of these issues if they brought back what has been in the halo franchise for 11 years.
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That stupid slow down when you get shot, which is the game saying “hang on a noob hit you just stay still for a little more while he finishes you off” this was used in CE with the plasma rifle stunning your enemy allowing you to strafe around him and get a beat down.
All those above points do is like most would have experienced on valhalla, something similar to a game of team snipers on haemorrhage, ultimate camp fest. But at least they had the sense to remove the stupid mechanic that bungie had in reach the ability to snipe through your retina without at the very least revealing the muzzle of your OP weapon.
Kudos, rage all you want reach is my finest example, no matter the flaws the glitches or the terrible exploits, (REVVY SNIPING??? OMG, JET PACK, CAMO, ARMOUR LOCK) none of these matters are going to patched or updated cos the terrible game has other functions that rely on these mechanics and the game would have to be re-created.
I’ll say what I said in one of the other many “DMR IS OP” topics;
DMR isnt the problem; YOU are.
It’s a mid-long range weapon, so obviously it’s good for headshots across the map.
I’ve never been “pinned down by dmr spam.” The only time I get picked off quickly is when I’m out in the open and the enemy gets the drop on me, especially if it’s a big open map like ragnorak. If you cant get to cover fast enough, TOO BAD.
What do you want, for people to NOT shoot at you? Might as well complain about rockets being “too good” at destroying vehicles. =/
> I’ll say what I said in one of the other many “DMR IS OP” topics;
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> DMR isnt the problem; YOU are.
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> It’s a mid-long range weapon, so obviously it’s good for headshots across the map.
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> I’ve never been “pinned down by dmr spam.” The only time I get picked off quickly is when I’m out in the open and the enemy gets the drop on me, especially if it’s a big open map like ragnorak. If you cant get to cover fast enough, TOO BAD.
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> What do you want, for people to NOT shoot at you? Might as well complain about rockets being “too good” at destroying vehicles. =/
You just don’t get it do you? We get that it’s INTENDED to be a mid/long range weapon. Fact of the matter is, it’s better than the other precision weapons at any range due to the lack of punishment for missed shots and its hitscan. The thing is that people WANT to use weapons other than the DMR but really there is almost no point. I believe de-scoping upon being shot would fix the problem.
I’m sitting in silence with my Carbine on my lap, watching all this discussion over the DMR/BR wondering whether the world will ever see brighter days.
Now seriously 343i, for old times’ sake, buff the Carbine somehow (increase magazine size, I don’t know). It’s getting harder and harder each day and I’m afraid I’ll have to leave my favorite weapon, lying by the cold sun.
> You just don’t get it do you? We get that it’s INTENDED to be a mid/long range weapon. Fact of the matter is, it’s better than the other precision weapons at any range due to the lack of punishment for missed shots and its hitscan. The thing is that people WANT to use weapons other than the DMR but really there is almost no point. I believe de-scoping upon being shot would fix the problem.
I dunno, I’ve been outshot by BRs plenty of times to know “ok, BR wins in mid range, DMR wins in long range.”
And besides, if you did get de-scoped, people would just use the Rogue armor mod, and those who didnt use it would truly be screwed. I prefer to have the same advantage as anyone else in that case.
So it’s really not even worth mentioning.
> I’m sitting in silence with my Carbine on my lap, watching all this discussion over the DMR/BR wondering whether the world will ever see brighter days.
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> Now seriously 343i, for old times’ sake, buff the Carbine somehow (increase magazine size, I don’t know). It’s getting harder and harder each day.
I could not agree with you more.
@Ghidorah14
True the only downside to my opinion of bringing back the de-scope is the Rogue perk. Maybe they could balance it so that with the Rogue perk, you can stay scoped, but there would be a significant amount of flinching, slightly more so than they have now.
> I’ll say what I said in one of the other many “DMR IS OP” topics;
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> DMR isnt the problem; YOU are.
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> It’s a mid-long range weapon, so obviously it’s good for headshots across the map.
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> I’ve never been “pinned down by dmr spam.” The only time I get picked off quickly is when I’m out in the open and the enemy gets the drop on me, especially if it’s a big open map like ragnorak. If you cant get to cover fast enough, TOO BAD.
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> What do you want, for people to NOT shoot at you? Might as well complain about rockets being “too good” at destroying vehicles. =/
No, the DMR is the problem. Ragnarok is the greatest example of this.
In Halo 3 there was only the Sniper that could cover long ranges, so the need for cover on Valhalla wasn’t as important. Now, there is nowhere near enough cover on this map, it is the easiest map to use the DMR with, which is one of the reasons why it is chosen so much. You have to be exposed in the open to try and get to another part of the map, which is where the Med-Long ranged DMR dominates.
If you don’t move, and camp at spawns the game becomes incredibly slow-paced, resulting in boring gameplay.
Stop being so ignorant to the problem.
Dude, I dunno what you’re talking about. I’ve played PLENTY of games on Rag/Val, and NEVER, and I mean NEVER was I in a situation where I was constantly picked off by a DMR spammers. Ya know why? THERE’S OTHER THINGS TO DO.
Like, driving a vehicle! Or using Mobility to quickly traverse the map!
Or, better yet (and this is gonna hard for some of you to grasp)…
MAKE EFFECTIVE USE OF YOUR ENVIRONMENT.
Ya know, USE COVER. DUCK BEHIND ROCKS. On big maps like rag/val, I always sprint from one spot to the other, and I’m always checking if there are enemy players. If it’s safe, I move up. If not, I fall back and regroup with my team so we can attack in a group instead of getting picked off one by one, again and again.
In a recent, game on rag/val, we dominated the other team. Wanna know how?
We set up in the middle, gave our mantis support, and stuck together. They spent the last few minutes in their base because we were able to hold our position. They did not make use of cover, they did not attempt to drive their way out of trouble, and they did not converge their attack on the mantis. They sat there and took it. And we won.
Now you might say “WELL THATS BECAUSE YOU CAMPED AND SPAMMED DMR!!!”
No. We won because we, as a team, pushed them back, moved up the battlefield, and held our position. It was textbook teamwork, and we were rightfully victorious.
> You just don’t get it do you? We get that it’s INTENDED to be a mid/long range weapon. Fact of the matter is, it’s better than the other precision weapons at any range due to the lack of punishment for missed shots and its hitscan. The thing is that people WANT to use weapons other than the DMR but really there is almost no point. I believe de-scoping upon being shot would fix the problem.
You don’t get it. The fact of the matter is, it is better than the BR and Carbine. The Light Rifle kills faster than the DMR scoped in, and is just as accurate. If the Battle Rifle and Carbine were more powerful than the DMR in their respective ranges, the DMR would be doing much better, as it would not be able to out-shoot a BR user up close or in medium range unless the BR user misses. It is not the DMR’s fault. Almost every other weapon will destroy the BR and Carbine if used properly. If the DMR gets even the slightest nerf, then the Light Rifle will become the next dominant weapon. Make buffs, not nerfs.
Y u mad tho? If it’s so 1337, use it.
> Just try to aim better…
I knew that was coming… The DMR is ridiculous, it’s RoF for a 3x zoom is ridiculous imo.
As others said: the BR needs to be a 4 shot, and the Carbine needs to be a 7 shot.
You should be instantly scoped out when you’re shot. That’s as simple as it should be for an extra addition.
> > You just don’t get it do you? We get that it’s INTENDED to be a mid/long range weapon. Fact of the matter is, it’s better than the other precision weapons at any range due to the lack of punishment for missed shots and its hitscan. The thing is that people WANT to use weapons other than the DMR but really there is almost no point. I believe de-scoping upon being shot would fix the problem.
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> You don’t get it. The fact of the matter is, it is better than the BR and Carbine. The Light Rifle kills faster than the DMR scoped in, and is just as accurate. If the Battle Rifle and Carbine were more powerful than the DMR in their respective ranges, the DMR would be doing much better, as it would not be able to out-shoot a BR user up close or in medium range unless the BR user misses. It is not the DMR’s fault. Almost every other weapon will destroy the BR and Carbine if used properly. If the DMR gets even the slightest nerf, then the Light Rifle will become the next dominant weapon. Make buffs, not nerfs.
Obviously you don’t get it either. The Light Rifle is not hitscan, as the DMR is. And if the BR and Carbine were BOTH buffed automatic weapons would become even LESS frequent. Then people would want all those to be buffed as well. If de-scoping were brought back into this game it would make the BR and Carbine a lot more useful, and it would help keep the DMR or zoomed-in light rifle in check.
Also on another note, why in the world does the loadout weapon with the best range happen to be the best at destroying vehicles? Seriously, a team of DMR users makes a ghost or banshee borderline useless on ragnarok. I’m not saying that these vehicles are too weak and can’t be dangerous, I’m just saying the DMR is just about an all purpose weapon. WHY?!
It all depends on the players aim. i use the DMR and to me mit feels like i get killed by the BR more than the DMR. both the BR and the DMR are a minimum 5 shot kill. the BR should not be a 4 shot kill, if it would, then no one would use the DMR or the carbine. plus the BR has a 3 shot burst and can be used for an advantige. for example: there is a 1v1 situation, DMR vs BR, both are one shot, the DMR misses that one last shot, the BR drags and shoots across the other players head and kills him with that one bullet from the 3 shot burst. Also, the player dosnt need to be one shot to kill with the BR, not if you hit with the full burst. the BR har advatages over the DMR, and reversed. it all depends on the player and his/her playstyle.
(sorry my english)
> I too refuse to use the DMR, it’s way too consistent across ALL -Yoink!- ranges.
Agree 100%.
Played some DMR free customs. It was the most fun I had in Halo4.
Sigh, the DMR isn’t the insane power house… The scoped light rifle is. It is literally more powerful when scoped. I have used it to tear the mantas to pieces.
I agree. But the Lightrifle absolutely sucks without scoped in. Plus it zoom in farther if i believe which sucks at close to medium range if you need to be accurate. Personally i ned to use at long range.
i out br reach dmr prods all day