You do realize that the Battle rifle sucks on big maps now? In big team of course theres going to be DMR. Stop crying, Its only not fair because you refuse to use a weapon that EVERYONE can use in their loadouts.
The problem isnt the weapon, its that more maps favor the DMR because they are so open. Majority of the maps so far have big open areas where the DMR can wreck havoc. The battle Rifle is Mid to close range and will beat a DMR 95% of the time. Learn what maps and what areas of said maps to use said weapons and stop complaining.
> LR and carbine need to be powered up to match the human weapon power(BR,dmr) I refuse to use everyone else’s op as sht weapons, using weapons because it easy to use and requires less skill is pretty cowardly, the dmr more so than BR. Everything should be even -Yoink!-. Equality for everyone. "I HAD A DREAM, THAT ONE DAY, THE DMR, THE BATTLE RIFLE, THE CARBINE, AND THE LIGHT RIFLE WOULD ALL BE EVEN. THEN I WOKE UP AND REALIZED 343 DOESN’T GIVE A FLYING FCK WHAT I DREAM ABOUT."
> -Master Luther Chief jr.
You kids are clueless.
Light rifle is a beast at long range, 3 shots to get their shields down.
BR is a beast at Close range, the burst firing messes with the enemies accuracy, and the weapon is great at cleaning up kills.
Carbine is similar to the BR, except for a slightly longer range.
DMR is the mid-long range rifle, versatile but not dominating the other rifles in their specific niche.
Making all the rifles “Equal” would create a redundancy, if they are all the same, why would the be there?
I love the slight differences in all the rifles, and have loadouts that I use frequently for the BR, Light Rifle AND DMR.
They all work GREAT in certain situations. So stop whining, and be thankful we have 4 AWESOME utility weapons instead of just one.
Improve your movement and positioning while in battle and the DMR won’t be such a problem. From my experience it only runs show when guys decide to run across large sections of open land, try to engage a well covered marksman, or run in a straight line/not moving at all when fighting these ‘DMR Cheap guys’. And even in that, it runs show because it works the way it should. Just like the BR, Lightrifle and Carbine work the way they should, within their abilities. be aware and educate yourself about the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon. Know the weapon you hold in your hand.
Skill and tact > Power in my opinion.
That being said I also refuse to use the DMR, I only ever pick it up when I’m out of ammo, simply because I prefer the BR and it’s feel in a very big way.
The DMR is effective at every range and has its weaknesses like every other gun. You just need to adapt to your enviornment and decide which loadout to go with. Your gun can only do so much work, your the one who has to keep it on their head while your shooting it. Getting killed by kids way far away w/DMRs? why dont yoou just take yours out and shoot back? Play some swat or something, step your game up, dont blame the game when u fail. everyone else has acess to the same guns so its just you
The only reason the DMR is used so often is because the majority of the maps are pretty big, and since it’s good at range it a solid choice. If there were smaller maps you would be seeing the BR a lot more.
halo ce : Pistol ruled the day - 3 shots at any range including across the map wins the fight
halo 2 : br rules the day
halo 3 : br rules the day
halo reach : dmr rules the day
halo 4 : dmr rules the day, however the weapons seem more balanced than they have ever been.
We’ve been doing this same song and dance for 10 years, and yet you all keep coming back. People are still whining about not having the 3 shot magnum in the game.
Personally, at first I thought the DMR was better in all aspects, but have come to find out the situational use of the br. It’s not as bad as people make it out to be/
I started Halo 4 using solely the BR, on launch day I was WRECKING people. 2 days later and its like I’ve never played an FPS before, no matter my positioning, teams position, accuracy I was getting outgunned constantly. I noticed the DMR was beating me at all ranges and started using it. Guess who’s wrecking again? The DMR outdoes the BR at every range, period. I beat BR users even at mid range where its “strongest”. The DMR being dominant has made Halo 4 so boring, everyone is trying to cross-map with the DMR and then running away when their shields pop (not saying its not smart to run and live to fight another day, but when 90% of the fight occurs at long range it makes cleanups basically impossible), creating an insanely boring, campy, conservative game that is not fun to play. They need to rework the DMR to make it dominant at long range only, not everywhere.
291 deaths from the DMR, more than the deaths from all other weapons combined. I think that if 343 just looked at the kill breakdown in Halo 4 they should see the problem: The DMR is way too useful at all kill ranges to the point where using anything but it would be a disadvantage. I encourage those who would say the DMR isn’t overpowered to look at their weapon deaths.
Thanks to this stupid loadout sniper, Ragnorak (my fav map) has been ruined.
Tl;dr: There’s a reason the DMR is overused, it’s totally unbalanced.
> …So you got killed by a DMR is what you’re telling us?
Everyone is. That’s the problem, one weapon is dominating the sandbox and making almost all other primaries irrelevant. On top of the, gun-play with the DMR is repetitive, unsatisfying, and boring.
the dmr is fine on smaller maps its the easiest gun to use but anyone can get a kill with anything anyways so if you insist on being a carbine hipster you are fine
however it makes larger maps so boring, as any game on any map the size of complex or larger becomes a dmr camp fest, and it makes those games very tedious and boring
Well this is an interesting thread with little to no ACTUAL proof of content. Or even experiments I can’t wait till Cyber Monday to get a capture card.
My friends and I have been checking out a few of these things in custom games just to see if we can optimize our play.
Let’s begin by looking at the four weapons range:
Battle Rifle – Mid/Long
DMR – Long/Mid
Carbine – Mid/Long
Light rifle – Long/Mid
The second range is where they can be used well by a skilled player, but won’t excel at. Now currently a lot of people like playing large open Maps. Raganrok, complex, Vortex etc. These maps automatically make the long range weapons better. More distance makes them better and harder for you to respond. Let’s go over the next two points of the weapons Damage and Fire rate-
Battle rifle – 6 Shots medium burst
DMR – 5 Shots slow fire rate
Carbine – 8 Shots fast fire rate
Light rifle – 6 shots un-scoped 4 shots scoped Medium fire rate
So the strongest of all the weapons is actually the Light rifle, but unless you’re scoped you won’t deal a lot of damage. Being scoped has its disadvantages, harder to strafe, smaller field of vision, and no radar unless you use the package. So the most skilled users may actually use the light rifle since it deals the most damage.
So our long range weapon choice is obviously the DMR for less skilled users. What about in medium range though? The carbine has the fastest fire rate out of any of the rifles, and if each hit confirms, it will actually break shields a bit faster and just barely kill the DMR user. That’s if every shot hits.
The battle rifle will have the same issue against the Carbine, losing by just a bit. So what’s the point of using the BR? The BR to me is the jack of all trades, master of none. The BR has pretty good scope, range unscoped play, decent damage, fire rate, and accuracy, but compared to the other three weapons it will lose in those aspects. To make up for its weakness I believe you need to use skill to fill in the gap where the BR is lacking. One of my streaming buddies played with me last night and his weapon of choice is the BR. I went 23- 13 he went 22-5. I can beat him in kills, but he dies less and in most of our battles against each other will win, even if I am using the DMR.
And if anyone really thinks any of the rifles can win at close range (maybe against the stormrifle) against an automatic weapon you’re crazy. Both the AR and Suppressor do more damage per second than any of the rifles. The difference is that they have a large spread and weak range.
Use the right weapon for the right map/situation. If you really want to win most of you encounters having fire power with a rifle and an automatic weapon should be your load out.
I think if the BR was made a 11+1 HS kill it would highlight it’s better performance at medium range than the DMR but the DMR will win at long range due to the BR having that Vertical recoil.
sigh, I remember The Halo CE pistol with its 0.6 kill time.
Fast forward, and 1.44 DMR is now too fast.
The DMR seems overpowered because…
a) Too much aim assist, blame 343 for noobing it. Nobody misses
b) Not getting knocked out of scope. Blame 343 for looking at the back of a COD box
c) Certain Affinity making dreadful, far too big and open maps. Remember CE’s room based maps like Chill out and Damnation? They ensured that the pistol wasnt OP’d as you still had to traverse the map to get an angle on people. If the maps are huge, then of course it will turn into peak and shoot gameplay.
This is why you need to bring in the high level players, such as Ogre 2/Walshy etc who will break the game before you release it to the mass public. They will highlight when mechanics are bad. Not have it tested by 343 employess who use AR’s and Mantis’ on Valhalla.
Unless you get all head shots with the DMR, it’s actually not all that powerful.
In close quarters, the DMR is useless compared to an assault rifle or even the BR. Mid range the spread on the BR means the bullets most often all hit the target anyway, so more potential overall damage.
The DMR is great for long range vs. the BR, though. It is far more accurate at long range than the BR and has no spread.
Personally, I can’t get the aiming down like other people can, getting all head shots. But I don’t feel the DMR is overpowered in any way.
This is one of the thousands of topics made to this issue (Which will hopefully be resolved soon)
Yeah, the Fire rate of the DMR is crazy and really gives it the edge on all the weapons.(In any range, from Short to Long) I would prefer less on the bloom fix though because that made reach a lot more of a Lotto than a skillful shootout. Fix the fire rate and we will all be happy.
i use to use the DMR; and was insainly beast with it. but its to damn easy to get kills with it. its boring so i stopped using it. i use the AR and BR (BR only if i know i cant force someone in close quarters with me. no i dont shoot then beat down; that’s the wimpy and noob way to use an AR) honestly the DMR is way OP, sure my K/D went down because i stopped using it but i refuse to use a cheap spam gun to win; i do have some pride and prefer to earn my kills with actually skill rather then a fast spam finger. DMR needs bloom or a RoF reduction, as well as a reduction in the damage it does to heavy vehicles. those that say it isn’t OP only say so because they dont want to lose their OP killing machine (just like the MP7 and AEK users on BF3)
I don’t care about the DMR. I use Light Rifle with Stability. If the first zoomed in shot hits, the gun is a 4sk. I LOVE the Light Rifle, and could almost care less about the DMR. I still do amazing every game, and the fights against the DMR are either fair or a joke, depending on the opponent.