If there where no loadouts and ordnance, just weapons on the map, I could live with DMR
I would have to agree, I love using the BR and playing BTB but since it’s always ragnarok, I’m actually forced to use the DMR as the BR does bugger all on that map. It really pisses me off how they somehow managed to muck up the balancing between the two whilst also making the LR and Carbine obsolete. That said, it’s the only thing I really don’t like about the game. Bbut seriously, -Yoink- the DMR. I have good aim as well, not a bad player (check my stats if need be) so nobody try pulling the “aim better” or “you just suck noob” on me.
DMR kills faster, has more range, ius more bullet magnetism, and is easier to use in ALL situations than the rest of the weapons.
I don’t see how anybody can say it isn’t OP. if you like it, say how you like that it is OP rather than blatantly lying about it.
“I refuse to use the DMR because I’m a BR-fanboy, that’s why the DMR is OP!”
> > > > I never get killed by DMRs, mostly by rocket/sniper/inceneration cannon noobs that camp life with those weapons.
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> > > > Anyway I use BR all the time, I love my Artic Skin ~<3
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> > > I might have to join your games because all I see is everybody using the DMR
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> > I’m not sure is that so better, at least against DMRs you have a chance to beat them, against rockets there is nothing to do except hopeing that he dies too from the explosion…
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> THOSE ARE ORDNANCE DROPS. They are meant to be powerful and give the user an edge. The DMR however, is a loadout weapon. And, in my opinion, is too effective to be a loadout weapon.
> Halo 4, as of now, is a repeat of the reach DMR takeover. The DMR was meant to replace the BR; do to the difficulty in giving a semi-automatic rifle bloom. Now that they decided to do away with bloom; (excluding the pistol) the DMR should not have been in Halo 4 at all. The fact is, the only reason the DMR was included was to please the DMR fanboys. Being that if you were “good” in reach, you were “good” with the DMR. Reach has a horribly balanced multiplayer, and it’s trickling down to Halo 4.
> They’ll fix it, because a blind man can see that the only people defending the DMR are the DMR abusers. They fear their “almighty” rifle will be taken away or weakened. But in the name of balance, it should be. And mark my words, it will be.
You’re seriously saying Reach had an unbalanced MP??? Whether you like reach or not it was much more perfectly balanced than Halo4. You kind of argued against yourself. Reach was balanced because there was reticule bloom. So you were rewarded for skill. Now it’s trigger spam. And in reach either everyone started with the DMR or you picked it up on the level making it somewhat of a power weapon.
One more thing, at least in reach I could fight a DMR user by being stealth with a shotgun or sword that I fought for and not just sitting at a standstill because the Promethean vision -Yoink- is just waiting for me to pop 5 shots in my head. Honestly if I want to win in Halo4 all I do is us Vision, wait for the scattershot dude to get impatient then back away while popping him in the head. Or I can make it fun and rush up and get killed by the dude’s scattershot he got by LUCK. Playing effectively in Halo4 is boring.
Sorry, but you don’t know what you are talking about man.
dmr’s range is to op
No, it isn’t. Me and a friend were actually sick and tired of all this complaining of the DMR’s OPness, so we done a test. We tested the kill times of the BR and DMR from different distances. We came to find that the DMR and BR kill pretty much the same, with the DMR coming on top by about 0.2 seconds, which makes hardly any difference. Also note that it’s harder to aim with the DMR at CQC due to lower aim assist and the BR is easier in CQC as it is a 3 shot burst and is more likely to hit it’s target. Bottom line is, if the people are winning over you with the DMR, it’s because they’re good at the game, not because the DMR is absurdly overpowered.
> “I refuse to use the DMR because I’m a BR-fanboy, that’s why the DMR is OP!”
How ignorant.
No, the DMR IS overpowered. You are simply ignoring FACTS.
yeah idk I do agree that the DMR is a little over powered but I just dont seem to have a problem with it peronally but yeah I do agree it could be toned down a little
I find myself using different guns and actually experiencing some variety in this Halo game. We must be playing different games.
I consistently switch between the DMR and BR and I even use the AR occasionally in succession with the pistol.
> You’re seriously saying Reach had an unbalanced MP??? Whether you like reach or not it was much more perfectly balanced than Halo4.
Really? In my competitive stats (and I try to play for variety) the DMR has 4 times as many kills as the AR. All 4 precision weapons are, furthermore, in my top 5. Only the melee squeeks in and that mostly to support the DMR, pistol, and needle rifle.
Your’s are hardly any different, only that the melee and shotgun are higher up.
What we can say from this is that Reach was horrendously unbalanced. One gun (or at least one set of guns) ruled the entire game with the exception of a couple power weapons that didn’t change a whole lot about the way people played. “Want to use an automatic weapon? -Yoink- off, we here at bungie are only interested in headshots and teabagging. A ghost? Good luck, we’ve made precision weapons anti-vehicle too. Is there anything else to this game? Yes, double melee and armor lock.”
Most of this was changed in Halo 4, automatics most of all, except that there’s still a little too much going for precision weapons for the game to be perfect.
> > Players will use what is most efficient at killing, and limits their abilities as a player the least. It is not the DMR’s fault the BR and Carbine suck.
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> Jesus, have you ever played a game where balance is important. This is the stupidest thing I ever read. Can’t tell if you saying leave everything the way it is, or buff BR and Carbine.
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> This is the way it should really be, buff carbine, leave BR as it is, and nerf DMR. That’s balance!
I’ve been around the TF2, Battlefield 3, and Halo CE communities. I have picked up a lot from all 3.
We need to buff the Carbine and BR by 1 shot, and keep the DMR as is. Currently, no other precision weapon is a match for the DMR simply because they just suck. We shouldn’t bring everything down to the lesser weapons’ level, and have everything be weak. We also need to keep the DMR as is, because any changes to it would make the Carbine and Light Rifle too powerful.
“The only people defending the DMR are DMR abusers”
and the only people complaining about the DMR are BR fanboys that are mad that the halo 3 go to weapon is no longer the go to weapon anymore.
But hey i wouldn’t be surprised if half of you people complaining about a strong gun that you start off with even played halo 3. and if you have then i think you should go back and play a game of team player and see how many times you start with a BR.
I seriously can’t believe that we now have Fanboys within a franchise that already has some of the worst fanboys ever concived.
Just use the weapon that is best for the job, that’s what we did in 2 and 3 and it’s what we did in reach. and in EVERY halo game there has been a gun that out classed others. Remember the CE pistol? and that was a SIDEARM! If the DMR is OP then stop being a butthurt scrub and learn how to use it instead of dragging your team down by trying to shoot people half a map away with a carbine a weapon that actually needs some attention with a buff somehow.
The DMR really has changed the way halo is played. when you spawn with an effective long range weapon, you stop advancing so quickly, look down range much more often and with some people, play more conservatively. i feel that the dmr isn’t very halo, considering the mid to midlong range of the br is what helped make halo 2 and 3 the funnest games on xbox live. i still use it, but only because its a necessity on most of the maps.
> > > Players will use what is most efficient at killing, and limits their abilities as a player the least. It is not the DMR’s fault the BR and Carbine suck.
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> > Jesus, have you ever played a game where balance is important. This is the stupidest thing I ever read. Can’t tell if you saying leave everything the way it is, or buff BR and Carbine.
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> > This is the way it should really be, buff carbine, leave BR as it is, and nerf DMR. That’s balance!
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> I’ve been around the TF2, Battlefield 3, and Halo CE communities. I have picked up a lot from all 3.
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> We need to buff the Carbine and BR by 1 shot, and keep the DMR as is. Currently, no other precision weapon is a match for the DMR simply because they just suck. We shouldn’t bring everything down to the lesser weapons’ level, and have everything be weak. We also need to keep the DMR as is, because any changes to it would make the Carbine and Light Rifle too powerful.
And then automatic weapons are left out in the cold, solving nothing besides adding a little bit of spice in which DMR variant you use. You can either rebalance every single weapon in the sandbox to accommodate one change you can hope that nerfing a trouble maker doesn’t just make room for something else (since that’s only a possibility.) It’s more of a matter for 343 to decide which is more feasible but I’m all for trying a point-mutation before playing around with Halo 4’s entire genome.
What if 343i just made the DMR’s target reticle a lot smaller? Like, sniper rifle small, maybe a hair larger. That could make it a lot less useful at short range without actually altering anything about it. That would make the BR and AR realistically better in their respective ranges, without actually altering the function of the DMR at all.
What if 343i just made the DMR’s target reticle a lot smaller? Like, sniper rifle small, maybe a hair larger. That could make it a lot less useful at short range without actually altering anything about it. That would make the BR and AR realistically better in their respective ranges, without actually altering the function of the DMR at all.
> Remember the CE pistol? and that was a SIDEARM!
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THIS!!!
Jan Yan San hits the bullseye!
Go into Beaver Creak in CE Anniversary and see how many players pick up the DMR.
Only the noobs.
Everyone else sticks with the Mag Pistol. Why? Because it rules the map!
Load out with a DMR and a Suppressor - mid to long range with the DMR and the Suppressor in the defiles (the tunnels and narrow passages between rocks for example in Ragnarok).
Choose the correct tools to get the job done and or if 343 re-jig the weaponry, then choose the next best thing.
Assess, Adapt and Overcome!
> > > > Players will use what is most efficient at killing, and limits their abilities as a player the least. It is not the DMR’s fault the BR and Carbine suck.
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> > > Jesus, have you ever played a game where balance is important. This is the stupidest thing I ever read. Can’t tell if you saying leave everything the way it is, or buff BR and Carbine.
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> > > This is the way it should really be, buff carbine, leave BR as it is, and nerf DMR. That’s balance!
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> > I’ve been around the TF2, Battlefield 3, and Halo CE communities. I have picked up a lot from all 3.
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> > We need to buff the Carbine and BR by 1 shot, and keep the DMR as is. Currently, no other precision weapon is a match for the DMR simply because they just suck. We shouldn’t bring everything down to the lesser weapons’ level, and have everything be weak. We also need to keep the DMR as is, because any changes to it would make the Carbine and Light Rifle too powerful.
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> And then automatic weapons are left out in the cold, solving nothing besides adding a little bit of spice in which DMR variant you use. You can either rebalance every single weapon in the sandbox to accommodate one change you can hope that nerfing a trouble maker doesn’t just make room for something else (since that’s only a possibility.) It’s more of a matter for 343 to decide which is more feasible but I’m all for trying a point-mutation before playing around with Halo 4’s entire genome.
Automatic weapons are already perfectly tuned with the DMR. There is no need to change them.
Wahhh my BR isn’t top dog anymore wahhhhhh. Want some cheese witn your whine?
Get over it.