Disconnects and Economy "Balance"

Games Halo Wars Series
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As is, all a pair of hackers need do is DDOS one of three players offline and they’ve won a 3v3 that became a 3v2. There’s also the incidental disconnects because well, creating a method to reconnect someone to a game? That’s too much EFFORT!

Then, once your ally has disconnected, or enemy player has disconnected, the team that might vainly attempt to grow their economy to compensate and have a reasonable fair chance, is hit with diminishing returns “balance.”

Seriously, that has more cons than pros.

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Unless Halo Wars 2 doesn’t run on dedicated servers and instead runs on P2P, this won’t be possible (haven’t actually checked, but I’m sure that HW2 runs on deds)

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> Unless Halo Wars 2 doesn’t run on dedicated servers and instead runs on P2P, this won’t be possible (haven’t actually checked, but I’m sure that HW2 runs on deds)

Are you not aware that reprogramming and programming have nearly limitless potential?
Not that I expect to put the effort in, we’re too many months in.

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Not really sure what you’re getting at. I’m aware that if a game uses p2p, like most games on the 360 used, then sure you can host boot, lag switch, ddos, etc. If the game utilises dedicated servers, as I suspect HW2 is, there is no longer a host as the server takes that on rather than a single players box. In these cases you’d have to flood the server which would disrupt your own gameplay as well. XBL have protections against this kind of activity already

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As cool as it would be to reconnect to a match, it seems kinda tricky for RTS games. If you dc does an AI take over for you until you return?

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> As cool as it would be to reconnect to a match, it seems kinda tricky for RTS games. If you dc does an AI take over for you until you return?

Anytime I’ve played with friends if somebody disconnects, they can’t rejoin and there’s no AI to takeover.

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> > As cool as it would be to reconnect to a match, it seems kinda tricky for RTS games. If you dc does an AI take over for you until you return?
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> Anytime I’ve played with friends if somebody disconnects, they can’t rejoin and there’s no AI to takeover.

I was speaking hypothetically. If you were to DC how would it be handled if you could rejoin.

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> As is, all a pair of hackers need do is DDOS one of three players offline and they’ve won a 3v3 that became a 3v2. There’s also the incidental disconnects because well, creating a method to reconnect someone to a game? That’s too much EFFORT!
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> Then, once your ally has disconnected, or enemy player has disconnected, the team that might vainly attempt to grow their economy to compensate and have a reasonable fair chance, is hit with diminishing returns “balance.”
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> Seriously, that has more cons than pros.

First off DDos and lag switches are pretty much extinct on consoles in general now. Most games run on dedicated serves meaning that if you wanted to DDos one player you would need to shut down the entire online for the game. The only way someone can boot just you offline in a game with dedicated servers, is if they broke into your house and unplugged your router. Second of all, reconnecting in RTS games is insanely hard the only game I’ve ever seen that can allow reconects is Sid Meyers games and that is because they are turn based strategy games. When it comes to reconnecting I only see 2 options: letting an AI play for you while your reconnecting, or your base and units just sit there. The problem with both of these is that you also have to handle resyncronizing a player back into the game. If you have ever seen lag in the game then you will notice that you will freeze for a moment and then the game on your screen will appear to be on fast forward for a short amount of time. This is buggy enough when it happens with a momentary freeze but just imagine if your gone for an entire minute or even 5 minutes while you reconnect? In conclusion if your having disconects in halo wars 2 its probably because of a poor or over worked router on your end, or server issues. Check your download and upload speed in the settings of your console to get a general idea of how good your connection is and keep in mind that if it looks good when you check it that it may not be consistent and could drop off for a number of reasons during a game.

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> I was speaking hypothetically. If you were to DC how would it be handled if you could rejoin.

I guess an AI taking over would be useful but it also might waste resources and units (especially in games with high skilled players), the AI that takes over would also have to weaker for lower ranked players.

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> > 2533274851528689;1:
> > As is, all a pair of hackers need do is DDOS one of three players offline and they’ve won a 3v3 that became a 3v2. There’s also the incidental disconnects because well, creating a method to reconnect someone to a game? That’s too much EFFORT!
> > Then, once your ally has disconnected, or enemy player has disconnected, the team that might vainly attempt to grow their economy to compensate and have a reasonable fair chance, is hit with diminishing returns “balance.”
> > Seriously, that has more cons than pros.
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> First off DDos and lag switches are pretty much extinct on consoles in general now. Most games run on dedicated serves meaning that if you wanted to DDos one player you would need to shut down the entire online for the game. The only way someone can boot just you offline in a game with dedicated servers, is if they broke into your house and unplugged your router. Second of all, reconnecting in RTS games is insanely hard the only game I’ve ever seen that can allow reconects is Sid Meyers games and that is because they are turn based strategy games. When it comes to reconnecting I only see 2 options: letting an AI play for you while your reconnecting, or your base and units just sit there. The problem with both of these is that you also have to handle resyncronizing a player back into the game. If you have ever seen lag in the game then you will notice that you will freeze for a moment and then the game on your screen will appear to be on fast forward for a short amount of time. This is buggy enough when it happens with a momentary freeze but just imagine if your gone for an entire minute or even 5 minutes while you reconnect? In conclusion if your having disconects in halo wars 2 its probably because of a poor or over worked router on your end, or server issues. Check your download and upload speed in the settings of your console to get a general idea of how good your connection is and keep in mind that if it looks good when you check it that it may not be consistent and could drop off for a number of reasons during a game.

No DDOSing is NOT extinct, hold your tongue! If you haven’t had your network besieged for over MONTHS I don’t want to even hear an utterance from you, MY NETWORK IS EVEN NOW BEING DDOS’D, if I didn’t have a COMPUTER NETWORKING DEGREE I wouldn’t be able to do anything but forum posts due to lag and disconnects!!!

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> Not really sure what you’re getting at. I’m aware that if a game uses p2p, like most games on the 360 used, then sure you can host boot, lag switch, ddos, etc. If the game utilises dedicated servers, as I suspect HW2 is, there is no longer a host as the server takes that on rather than a single players box. In these cases you’d have to flood the server which would disrupt your own gameplay as well. XBL have protections against this kind of activity already

Um, all they need to do is DDOS your router, which is what most DDOS’ing is, meaning your connection to the server is blocked… XBL cannot protect you from that…
“Hacking is extinct” is a flat lie.
Let’s take a look at this mornings -Yoink!- router logs from my router being DDOS’d, SHALL WE?

(Disclaimer, these IP’s are public DNS IP addresses, not any person’s, those have been redacted.)
Description
Count
Last Occurrence
Target
Source
[DoS attack: TCP- or UDP-based Port Scan] from 75.75.76.76, port 53
1
Wed Aug 09 09:36:07 2017
redacted
75.75.76.76:53
[DoS attack: TCP- or UDP-based Port Scan] from 75.75.75.75, port 53
1
Wed Aug 09 09:34:43 2017
redacted line
75.75.75.75:53
[DoS attack: TCP- or UDP-based Port Scan] from 75.75.75.75, port 53
1
Wed Aug 09 09:33:16 2017
redacted
75.75.75.75:53
[DoS attack: TCP- or UDP-based Port Scan] from 75.75.75.75, port 53
1
Wed Aug 09 09:27:36 2017
redacted
75.75.75.75:53
[DoS attack: TCP- or UDP-based Port Scan] from 75.75.75.75, port 53
1
Wed Aug 09 09:23:01 2017
redacted
75.75.75.75:53
This happens EVERY DAY for months. Don’t you DARE filthy the waters of reasoning when you don’t know what you’re talking about. There are people out there that NEED HELP and here you are doing the internets equivalent of “there aren’t any homeless people, I haven’t seen any.”
(If anyone is presently being DDOS’d let me know and I’ll try to help.)

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If you’re routinely being DDOS’d then you need to speak with your ISP, not other forum users.

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If someone is DDOS’ing you directly then you really need to talk to your ISP about that, not something anyone here or at 343/MS can help with. Your IP shouldn’t be getting exposed when connecting to a game running deds, though it will on p2p. I never said ‘hacking is extinct’ - none of this is even hacking. I’ve also worked for broadband tech and desktop for a number of years, so I kinda do have an idea of what I’m looking at here

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> As cool as it would be to reconnect to a match, it seems kinda tricky for RTS games. If you dc does an AI take over for you until you return?

I don’t know how long I’ve been asking for this. It would make me play team matches much more.

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Would be nice to reconnect to your last game exactly how League of Legends works. That would be great.

As far as what would happen after the DC or quit, I would assume a timer would be put in place. Meaning, the lost players’ bases get “shadowed” and inactive for X amount of time before the buildings are gone and the spaces can be occupied again. For the army…best case scenario is that the army is abandoned and lost. Otherwise, what’s to stop someone from quitting/DC’ing to save their army?

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> > 2533274851528689;1:
> > As is, all a pair of hackers need do is DDOS one of three players offline and they’ve won a 3v3 that became a 3v2. There’s also the incidental disconnects because well, creating a method to reconnect someone to a game? That’s too much EFFORT!
> >
> > Then, once your ally has disconnected, or enemy player has disconnected, the team that might vainly attempt to grow their economy to compensate and have a reasonable fair chance, is hit with diminishing returns “balance.”
> >
> > Seriously, that has more cons than pros.
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> The only way someone can boot just you offline in a game with dedicated servers, is if they broke into your house and unplugged your router.

That’s what I do when I see Forge.

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> If you’re routinely being DDOS’d then you need to speak with your ISP, not other forum users.

Preferably.
And consider Dynamic DNS technology and/or VPN technology.
My ISP was of NO help. Fortunately I was able to figure it out on my own.

> "If someone is DDOS’ing you directly then you really need to talk to your ISP about that, not something anyone here or at 343/MS can help with. Your IP shouldn’t be getting exposed when connecting to a game running deds, though it will on p2p. I never said ‘hacking is extinct’ - none of this is even hacking. I’ve also worked for broadband tech and desktop for a number of years, so I kinda do have an idea of what I’m looking at here "

That’s assuming your ISP is willing to help without you paying exhorbitant amounts of money or more monthly. I might as well not have called mine at all.