To clarify: this is not another thread to bash on 343, instead, it is meant to be a place to voice grievances productivly.
After the upsetting news that forge and coop will be missing, we got a Gamescon presentation that mainly focused on marketing a console and a controller. The priorities here are out of whack. This could have been done as a bonus, not as the main focus.
I was hoping for the reveal of different editions of the game, maybe pre-order bonuses, maybe new gameplay footage of anything. Nothing but a date and a trailer that was pretty much nothing. Was it really too much to ask for to sprinkle in a few seconds of campaign?
I hopped on to Steam after watching the presentation - 1,899 THB in my region. Microsoft games usually have adjusted prices in my region, but Halo Infinite will launch more expensive than EA’s Battlefield 2042. This is not ok. The average income here is around $700 per month in the capital. The Mortal Shell release on Steam came also overpriced on the first day, was adjusted on the next. I advise to follow this example or you will miss out on countless sales in the most populated regions on earth.
343/MS - what are you doing? You started off so positive, gained so much goodwill from the community. Now things are taking a turn to the opposite. The forums have completely turned dark. Give us something to believe in again. We need some positive news ASAP. Please, turn this thing around.
Well about the overpriced part, remember that the multiplayer is completely free to play. Also with gameplay, they have been pretty good about, we literally already got a flight and it was awesome, and I’m sure we’re gonna get another one soon.
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> Well about the overpriced part, remember that the multiplayer is completely free to play. Also with gameplay, they have been pretty good about, we literally already got a flight and it was awesome, and I’m sure we’re gonna get another one soon.
Yeah exactly, a big part of the package is given away for free. We do not even know yet what the campaign offers. How can I spend so much money with so little incentive?
The turning point I am talking about within the community started just a few days ago. Up until then, I think most people were pretty happy with how things were going. Like I said they started positive and gained a lot of goodwill. Since the announcement that coop and forge will be missing, things have turned sour. They should have followed up strong, but instead, a MP trailer that shows nothing was delivered, expensive peripherals, a date that is later than anyone predicted, and no regional pricing. The last few days have done so much harm to my intentions of buying the game, which makes me sad. I want to believe in Halo Infinite.
If the game sucks it will speak for itself and everyone will abandon 343. If it’s great then we can all forget the misteps and delays leading up to launch and 343 will be redeemed. One or the other will happen. It’s not like you even need to worry about it.
People are still extremely hopeful, especially most of those who flighted it already. Sure, Waypoint has been mixed chaos as of late, but we’re just a very small portion of this fanbase and those who are upset are far more likely to talk online than those who are happy. That part’s just basic human stuff, though, so that’s why it seems like there’s a large amount of negativity.
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> To clarify: this is not another thread to bash on 343, instead, it is meant to be a place to voice grievances productivly.
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> After the upsetting news that forge and coop will be missing, we got a Gamescon presentation that mainly focused on marketing a console and a controller. The priorities here are out of whack. This could have been done as a bonus, not as the main focus.
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> I was hoping for the reveal of different editions of the game, maybe pre-order bonuses, maybe new gameplay footage of anything. Nothing but a date and a trailer that was pretty much nothing. Was it really too much to ask for to sprinkle in a few seconds of campaign?
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> I hopped on to Steam after watching the presentation - 1,899 THB in my region. Microsoft games usually have adjusted prices in my region, but Halo Infinite will launch more expensive than EA’s Battlefield 2042. This is not ok. The average income here is around $700 per month in the capital. The Mortal Shell release on Steam came also overpriced on the first day, was adjusted on the next. I advise to follow this example or you will miss out on countless sales in the most populated regions on earth.
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> 343/MS - what are you doing? You started off so positive, gained so much goodwill from the community. Now things are taking a turn to the opposite. The forums have completely turned dark. Give us something to believe in again. We need some positive news ASAP. Please, turn this thing around.
People do be loving their merch though.
Personally, after finding out Infinite was delayed to 2021, I felt no real need to upgrade from my XBO and was happy to wait incase they did a Halo Console.
In all honesty, I didn’t think they would, but it was a pleasant surprise, and now I have a pre-order for that beautiful thing.
Pre-order bonuses are a tricky thing. Obviously they could showcase something for ordering through the xbox store. But if its going to be like Halo 4, with every other retailer offering something different, it wouldn’t be a very good use of their stage time to start breaking that down for us.
If there is going to be a myriad of offerings, they would be better off doing a Community Update themed around pre-order bonuses, and breaking down exactly which retailers will be offering which bonuses.
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> To clarify: this is not another thread to bash on 343, instead, it is meant to be a place to voice grievances productivly.
My main issue is that this “games a service” has poisoned people. people are fine with there not being forge or coop because “it will be added in later”.
the way games as a service should work is that we get the same amount of content of the last games with more being added, but the way it works is that we are getting less content while more dev time is being put into microtransactions.
Local currency pricing can be a mess with some publishers, so here’s to hoping MS adjusts the price quickly after launch. As for the release reveal itself: I get you.
While I liked the MP trailer and the SX console and Elite controller look great (will try to snag the controller once it becomes available for pre-order here), I was hoping for a bit more. Since campaign was off the table, I was hoping they could show a BTB gameplay trailer.
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> > To clarify: this is not another thread to bash on 343, instead, it is meant to be a place to voice grievances productivly.
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> My main issue is that this “games a service” has poisoned people. people are fine with there not being forge or coop because “it will be added in later”.
> the way games as a service should work is that we get the same amount of content of the last games with more being added, but the way it works is that we are getting less content while more dev time is being put into microtransactions.
It really depends. I don’t even have a problem with games as a service if done correctly. It can be a complete mess like in Ghost Recon Breakpoint, and it can be a great addition like in Gears 5. Gears 5 is by now the biggest Gears of War game ever and the monetization is completely fair, the seasonal content is engaging and I have not paid a dime ever. But using it to deliver features that were clearly promised, that is a terrible move. Just like it was done in Breakpoint with AI.
Deliver a feature-complete, good game that has at least everything that was promised, then I do not mind unlocking a few helmets through a live service (if there is a free way to do so).
Ive said it before on here somewhere. Im not buying as soon as it comes out. Ive been burned before with halo 5 so im not going to fall for the hype for a new halo title again. Ill wait and see what the game is like and is it worth the full price.
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> Ive said it before on here somewhere. Im not buying as soon as it comes out. Ive been burned before with halo 5 so im not going to fall for the hype for a new halo title again. Ill wait and see what the game is like and is it worth the full price.
Yeah, I’m waiting for a sale too. With features being delayed anyway, I’m in no rush.
Multiplayer technically isnt free if your paying 60 anyway just for a campaign becausewhat halo fan will just play multiplayer only and not want to know where the story goes??!! And as for marketing that seems to be all 343 are interested in! Its been there downfall since day one! There more concerned with milking the halo franchise with lots of different merchandise than they are about the games that made halo what it was! I honestly think if halo infinite gets bad press like halo 5 343 should step aside and let another company try get halo back ontop!
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> Multiplayer technically isnt free if your paying 60 anyway just for a campaign! And as for marketing that seems to be all 343 are interested in! Its been there downfall since day one! There more concerned with milking the halo franchise with lots of different merchandise than they are about the games that made halo what it was! I honestly think if halo infinite gets bad press like halo 5 343 should step aside and let another company try get halo back ontop!
I don’t understand the logic. The MP as an independent product that can be obtained without the Campaign for free, is not free, because said Campaign as a separate product costs $60? Maybe I am misunderstanding you.
But I think many feel similar to you when it comes to 343. Infinite is the last stand, the biggest Halo Youtubers echo this sentiment. I have not been burned as much, because I pretty much paused my Halo Community membership after Reach, and just came back this year thanks to the MCC. But I really want a good new Halo after all these years.
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> > Multiplayer technically isnt free if your paying 60 anyway just for a campaign! And as for marketing that seems to be all 343 are interested in! Its been there downfall since day one! There more concerned with milking the halo franchise with lots of different merchandise than they are about the games that made halo what it was! I honestly think if halo infinite gets bad press like halo 5 343 should step aside and let another company try get halo back ontop!
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> I don’t understand the logic. The MP as an independent product that can be obtained without the Campaign for free, is not free, because said Campaign as a separate product costs $60? Maybe I am misunderstanding you.
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> But I think many feel similar to you when it comes to 343. Infinite is the last stand, the biggest Halo Youtubers echo this sentiment. I have not been burned as much, because I pretty much paused my Halo Community membership after Reach, and just came back this year thanks to the MCC. But I really want a good new Halo after all these years.
There advertisig the multiplayer as free but yet still charging $60 for a campaign only game however usually most games with campaign and multiplayer would cost $60 anyway… so basically there still getting the full amount of cash you would pay for a game with campaign and multiplayer unless of course you dont buy campaign and only interested in the multiplayer but what halo fan would do that?! Who wouldnt want to know where the story is going?! I just hope the campaign isn’t to short and more than anything i hope they dont mess the story up even more after halo 5! You play MCC collection amd reach but did you play halo 4 and 5 then or skip them?!..
I think the gaming community has become very impatient and frankly, a little entitled. If they delay the game, they do so for a good reason. Everything that is shown is measured and calculated for good reasons. We don’t know those reasons, but you shouldn’t act as if you deserve more.
Now, your point about price adjustments on Steam, that is a valid point and something worth mentioning. I agree that it sucks when things aren’t adjusted to the local currency/economy.
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> > > Multiplayer technically isnt free if your paying 60 anyway just for a campaign! And as for marketing that seems to be all 343 are interested in! Its been there downfall since day one! There more concerned with milking the halo franchise with lots of different merchandise than they are about the games that made halo what it was! I honestly think if halo infinite gets bad press like halo 5 343 should step aside and let another company try get halo back ontop!
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> > I don’t understand the logic. The MP as an independent product that can be obtained without the Campaign for free, is not free, because said Campaign as a separate product costs $60? Maybe I am misunderstanding you.
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> > But I think many feel similar to you when it comes to 343. Infinite is the last stand, the biggest Halo Youtubers echo this sentiment. I have not been burned as much, because I pretty much paused my Halo Community membership after Reach, and just came back this year thanks to the MCC. But I really want a good new Halo after all these years.
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> There advertisig the multiplayer as free but yet still charging $60 for a campaign only game however usually most games with campaign and multiplayer would cost $60 anyway… so basically there still getting the full amount of cash you would pay for a game with campaign and multiplayer unless of course you dont buy campaign and only interested in the multiplayer but what halo fan would do that?! Who wouldnt want to know where the story is going?! I just hope the campaign isn’t to short and more than anything i hope they dont mess the story up even more after halo 5! You play MCC collection amd reach but did you play halo 4 and 5 then or skip them?!..
Well, since there is no regional pricing I won’t buy Halo Infinite Campaign. I will have to stick to Multiplayer for now, which is sad indeed because I wanted to know how the story progresses genuinely.
I played from CE up until Reach, left the franchise then, came back this year with the MCC. So I got Halo 4 now too due to the MCC, but Halo 5 I never got to. I actually would love H5 to hit steam just to have played them all, good or not.
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> > > > Multiplayer technically isnt free if your paying 60 anyway just for a campaign! And as for marketing that seems to be all 343 are interested in! Its been there downfall since day one! There more concerned with milking the halo franchise with lots of different merchandise than they are about the games that made halo what it was! I honestly think if halo infinite gets bad press like halo 5 343 should step aside and let another company try get halo back ontop!
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> > > I don’t understand the logic. The MP as an independent product that can be obtained without the Campaign for free, is not free, because said Campaign as a separate product costs $60? Maybe I am misunderstanding you.
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> > > But I think many feel similar to you when it comes to 343. Infinite is the last stand, the biggest Halo Youtubers echo this sentiment. I have not been burned as much, because I pretty much paused my Halo Community membership after Reach, and just came back this year thanks to the MCC. But I really want a good new Halo after all these years.
> >
> > There advertisig the multiplayer as free but yet still charging $60 for a campaign only game however usually most games with campaign and multiplayer would cost $60 anyway… so basically there still getting the full amount of cash you would pay for a game with campaign and multiplayer unless of course you dont buy campaign and only interested in the multiplayer but what halo fan would do that?! Who wouldnt want to know where the story is going?! I just hope the campaign isn’t to short and more than anything i hope they dont mess the story up even more after halo 5! You play MCC collection amd reach but did you play halo 4 and 5 then or skip them?!..
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> Well, since there is no regional pricing I won’t buy Halo Infinite Campaign. I will have to stick to Multiplayer for now, which is sad indeed because I wanted to know how the story progresses genuinely.
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> I played from CE up until Reach, left the franchise then, came back this year with the MCC. So I got Halo 4 now too due to the MCC, but Halo 5 I never got to. I actually would love H5 to hit steam just to have played them all, good or not.
Yeahh true and halo 4 story i thought was great but it got alot of backlash the gameplay… mehh my only issue there with 4 was the promethians just werent enjoyable to fight against it just dodnt feel balanced at all and then 5 was more or less the same when it came to gameplay but a terrible story dont know how they thought the story direction would be a good idea
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> I think the gaming community has become very impatient and frankly, a little entitled. If they delay the game, they do so for a good reason. Everything that is shown is measured and calculated for good reasons. We don’t know those reasons, but you shouldn’t act as if you deserve more.
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> Now, your point about price adjustments on Steam, that is a valid point and something worth mentioning. I agree that it sucks when things aren’t adjusted to the local currency/economy.
I actually wanted to address “growing consumer entitlement” (would have been the thread title) in a thread just around two weeks ago, because I do somewhat agree. Never got around to it. I felt like people demand a game that is basically Halo 3, which is not a successful model in this modern environment. Demanding an outdated business model from a company with such strong competition all around is unsustainable.
But then 343 delayed features that we’re specifically promised, and that is where I believe frustration on the consumer side is absolutely justified. The ensuing missteps mentioned in my original post really do not make me feel like defending 343 currently. With that said: bashing 343 is never good, not okay, and completely unproductive. It is important how we voice our grievances as a community if we want something to come out of it.
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> I think the gaming community has become very impatient and frankly, a little entitled. If they delay the game, they do so for a good reason. Everything that is shown is measured and calculated for good reasons. We don’t know those reasons, but you shouldn’t act as if you deserve more.
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> Now, your point about price adjustments on Steam, that is a valid point and something worth mentioning. I agree that it sucks when things aren’t adjusted to the local currency/economy.
Im all for companies delaying games to improve them the stressful thing here though is that they were going to release this last year and were happy to show 8 minutes of campaign gameplay! It wasnt till they got the backlash for it that they decided to hold off and now they have had a full year and this time not shown campaign gameplay its worrying thats all
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> I think the gaming community has become very impatient and frankly, a little entitled. If they delay the game, they do so for a good reason. Everything that is shown is measured and calculated for good reasons. We don’t know those reasons, but you shouldn’t act as if you deserve more.
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> Now, your point about price adjustments on Steam, that is a valid point and something worth mentioning. I agree that it sucks when things aren’t adjusted to the local currency/economy.
Choosing to release it all as-is was probably a very hard decision, since they’d get yelled at it for no matter what they opted to do. Campaign’s basically done and Multiplayer’s ready, but Co-op and Forge isn’t? Either (A) Delay it again and get “See it’s Cyberpunk all over again!”, or (B) release the working parts as it is and instead they’re lying about it being there at launch - as if unexpected problems have never, ever once disrupted plans for game development before.
Either way we’d be waiting for these features, at least in this case we can still multiplayer to bide our time.